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Kaine Australis

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Alright, another Legends vs Canon thread for everyone to posture about in. Take yourselves back to before TFA and TLJ, and you get the chance to pen/screenplay the Sequel Trilogy.

Do you take a path similar to Disney and try to reinvent the franchise?

Do you verbatim take one of the Legends stories and adapt it to fit three movies?

Do you have a better idea?


Me personally, the Thrawn trilogy,

Why? I think it's got enough similarities to the original trilogy to appeal to older fans, and enough new characters places things and stories to attract new fans. And a variety of other reasons (casting Bill Nighy as Thrawn), but thats another debate.


Edited by Kaine Australis, 10 October 2018 - 10:02 AM.

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On my initial reaction to the retcon, I'd have said I would have adapted the Legends continuity.

 

But after a lot of hindsight in regards to the legends continuity, especially events post-ROTJ... There really was no reasonable way to navigate the lore minefield, even if a lot of post-ROTJ hadn't been a massive mess. I do think that some things, mainly the events of KOTOR, could be adapted though.

 

While I would still have nixed Legends as Disney did, I would have brought back the events of the KOTOR series and adapted them into movies.


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Interesting question, and I don't know if I can really answer it in terms of exactly what story I would have liked. Though I can tell you general things I would have liked:

 

- I wouldn't have wanted a simple remake of an EU novel or story. Thus, the EU probably needed to go.

- However, the EU could still be drawn upon as source material. While it doesn't have to be the Yuuzhan Vong themselves, I liked the idea of an outside threat that no one has ever seen before threatening the whole galaxy.

- An opportunity for the three main heroes (Luke, Han, Leia) to appear on screen together, and actually do something.

- A glimpse into what the post-Imperial government looked like, perhaps Luke's struggle to maintain control

- By extension, a glimpse into Luke's new life as a Jedi, with a story that incorporates his trials and tribulations in real time, rather than as mere flashbacks

 

Altogether, I would have liked a story that was in a similar vein to what Dune Messiah was for the Dune series. The good guys won, they defeated their enemies and achieved power, now they realize that ruling benevolently and peacefully is more difficult than they thought.


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Do you have a better idea?

 

Plot: - Rey and Chewie meet a mysterious older woman with brilliant red hair. Her claims knowing of a younger Luke Skywalker and the unique appearance of a lightsaber at her belt awaken a strange feeling within Rey. Could her story about Luke, the Emperor's Hands, and the rise of Snoke be true?

 

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Jsc

 

You know... I think that is the best idea there is... :D 



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You know... I think that is the best idea there is... :D

 

For awhile I hoped Keri Russell would be cast as Mara in Ep 9. and given a new backstory. But? These days I'm more prone to doubt Disney than anybody. Meh. :P



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Jsc I want Mara too.... Disney allied themselves with the enemy of EA though sooooo I have basically no hope for SW at this point all hail Muad' Dib tell us of the waters of your homeland....



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My Episode 9
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Strangely, after seeing some of the sequels films and be a fan of the old EU as well as the new, I would mesh certain elements.

-I love the over aesthetics of the First Order. My problem is Snoke as the head of it. I feel like I would merge the "Empire Evolved" look of the First Order and place it on a Thrawn-led Remnant.
-I actually enjoy Kylo Ren as a character. I would give him and injection of Jacen Solo here and there, at very least in his pre-dark side days.
-I would replace Snoke entirely with a character like Jorus C'Baoth or Lumiya as Kylo's teacher.
-Rey would, to me, be the child of Luke and Mara. A sorta female Ben Skywalker. Instead of Unkar,I would maybe fiddle with the idea of her being a labor slave under Prince Xizor.
-I would actually fuse the characters of Poe Dameron and Finn together. Make him a Remnant deserter who eventually flies Resistance colors.
-Han still dies, but his role is replaced by either Luke or Temura Morrison as Old Man Boba.

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I wuld keep the Solo movie (vith some changes), and Rogue One. Because thoze 2 make sense. And they fit in the old canon.... more or less.

 

The rest - no. First thing I wuld do, is put the Thrawn trilogy on the big screen. Hire Zahn him-self as the advizor, buy the intelectual rights, and get that done. (plus hiring someone proper to do the role of Mara Jade, i love her char. Not one of those eye-candy holywood chicks vho dont know Thing 1 about fighting - id do her myself. but it wuld rekuire dyeing my har so... no... unles theres a good wig or something :) ). Aniway, there - vithout even doing any "reinventing" , you got a new 3 movies, based on those 3 books. Get... maby Tom Hardy to do Thrawn (but not his voice, the voice of that aktor who did him in Rebels... idk, id have to think about that some more. And they wuld be 50x beter than the crap we got now. And thats just the tip of the ice-berg.

 

And then just move on, using EU material. Put all of it on the big screen, 1 by 1.

 

But nooo... Disney degenerates had to ruin it. Fuk them.


Edited by Natalija, 28 October 2018 - 05:53 AM.


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Kaine Australis

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Natalija I wish i could like that post more than once.

Always thought Bill Nighy would make an excellent Thrawn.

 

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Wel, picking a actor for Thrawn wuldnt be easy. To sell that kind of persona and charizma, not just anyone culd do it. To do it vhile painted blue, even harder XD



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Natalija

 

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I think Darth Carnifex makes an excellent Chiss. :)


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Yea, exept that name is... wel... needs vork, lets put it that way. "Carniflex" - sounds like a brand of kids cereal or something :P



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The Story I'd wanna tell if I had to write out the squeal trilogy is that I go with a more fresh approach where the galaxy destroys itself as every gets hyperspace rammed into oblivion as tosubvert audience expectations... Just kidding

 

But for real though I would probably take the Disney approach and try to make something a little more original. However, the main difference would be how I try to conduct the conflict. There would be a far more predominate New Republic as the main political and military power of the galaxy. However, the imperial Remanent consisting of powerful Moffs from the empire. Works int he shadows as a opposing guerrilla group that that doesn't have the ability to fight in a conventional war. Essentially the roles would be flipped from the original trilogy.

 

However, unlike the more combative violent revolution the rebellion pulled off by blowing up millions of people in Death Stars this Imperial Remanent would put more of a focus on undermining the New Republic and its leadership with more subtle methods before striking out. Functioning more like a shadowy terrorist organization/insurgent group which is led by a dark jedi who hides that part about him and tries to rally support against Force Users as so few of them in the galaxy can bring so much destruction as seen in the past several decades between the Sith and Jedi holy wars. Wishing to bring an end to both of them once and for all, despite being led by a powerful force user.

 

With the first movie it would end with a victory for the antagonist as they pull off a swift military and political coup on the core worlds after slowly gaining allies within the New Republic government, a little similarly to how the First Order did in order to get all its weapons and stuff. Overall my ideal story doesn't involve gimmicky super weapons was they always fail in the end.

 

I feel like what I have in mind doesn't leave much room for someone like Luke as his new Jedi Order would essentially try to ignore the initial imperial outbreak. Sicne Luke would understand the dangers of integrating the Jedi order with the republic. Much like it's fianlly days during the clone wars. That is until they're a target for this new ruthless imperial paramilitary group. The rest of the story would be about the reorganization of something like the rebel alliance, old pro CIS systems, corporations and criminal organizations who are all threatened under this new very extreme and militant quasi-government that has taken the core hostage essentially.

 

Anyways, that would be my ideal story :D


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That is such a difficult question to answer because their is so much good lore out there to explore. As much as I'd love to see a Revan or a Thrawn trilogy, I'd be happy if they didn't pursue it because the characters have already been so well established that if they messed it up, I would be hugely disappointed. Honestly I think Disney made the right approach with the direction of just trying to make something new to not disappoint an audience the already loved characters that had been written in the books. It's just too difficult to actually represent a well established book character in a movie. 

 

But if they could do it, I'd love to see and ancient Je'dai movie or something. A trilogy that really tells the beginning of the Star Wars Universe and the discovery of the Force. What made the separation between Light and Dark and destroyed Tython


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Pardon my French, but Eff the Mouse (no furry jokes, please - I was one of them, until recently, for the past thirteen years - believe me, I've seen and heard it all, at this point).

 

The EU and its worldbuilding were 90% perfect. It wasn't without its problems, especially during its earliest and last years, but I loved it all, for the most part - TOR, NJO, Imperial Remnant, Thrawn, and practically everything in between; even the pseudo-cringy Clone Wars had a few decent points worth cherishing. But, with the buyout and cancellation of the EU, I simply have chosen to live happily in the past. We're now getting fourth-rate storylines and postmodern feminist BS forced down our throats, at the expense of worldbuilding and good character archetypes.

 

In addition, I saw The Force Awakens, and its pretty easy to tell what they've lifted from the EU, poorly altered and are now trying to pass off as original content. I refuse to support the new canon, in any way, shape or form. Whenever a new company buys the rights to something they didn't create in the first place, that usually signifies the end of a particular franchise. I only hope this forum will stick around, even if things should go bad regarding the new canon - this is my only lifeline towards the old fandom, I must confess. I'd be isolated again in regards to SW, if this place ever went under.

 

Trilogy-wise, KOTOR would probably be my first choice, or the Thrawn trilogy, for starters, if it were up to me.


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Last-Nerd-Bard Sir, if I could like that last post of yours more than once, I would. Even the furry bit! :)

Well said.

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Kaine Australis I must say I'm done with furries, for my part. You'd have thought I'd learned that they would forever remain no better then high-schoolers a lot sooner then I did. There's no one underdeveloped fandom that has such great potential for worldbuilding and storytelling as that one, but its all run and controlled by the pornographers, in the end. A sad state to be in, and fortunately the EU was largely free from that bit of influence. Either take the worldbuilding seriously or don't show up, that's my outlook on this type of storytelling - it's been one of my favorite fictional universes to play in for a reason, after all.

 

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Isn't it ironic that the shills' suggestions for what would make a good story (or new trilogy, even?) are in no way dependent on characterization and reliable archetypes in any way? Also, why is sexual preference suddenly now important to worldbuilding in any way, shape or form? From a website called "The Mary Sue", I find this ironic and funny, even as I roll my eyes in disgust... What next, will they put Trump wigs on the First Order Stormtroopers' helmets to hammer the point home even further? Not that I'm a Trump fan, mind you...

 

On more positive topics, I like your character bio, BTW. An honorable Mandalorian is truly a thing of beauty if its done correctly, even if I don't personally agree with every aspect of their moral code. If my overworked ass had more free time, I could properly devote it to polishing up the basic profiles I've made, but, for now, I prefer to develop things in posts... What I wouldn't give for the free time I used to have in my teen years, when I first made all of my fanon... The only way I could get spare time like that is to lose my job. :P I'm not yet thirty, and sometimes I feel positively ancient.


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My trilogy would focus on the Jedi Academy, amid a recovering Imperial remnant similar to the First Order. It would nod to the EU in some respects, but not lean too heavily into reproducing it, so much as naturally continuing on the paths the characters were on from Return of the Jedi:

 

Part 1:

 

  • Luke has established his Jedi Academy (not necessarily Yavin 4), he hasn't married and doesn't have children (no secret ones either).
  • Luke's teaching of students is primary for this movie, establishing a range of characters with varying force power levels; friends, rivals, potential fall-to-the-dark siders, etc - this includes Rey (or this version, our main heroine who is NOT a Skywalker or Solo or Kenobi, etc), Andan (Han and Leia's son, has a younger sister who isn't at the academy yet), as well as several other sidekicks for inclusion in adventures (comedic relief, etc)
  • Rey and Andan are in love (NOT shipping Rey/Kylo, this actually has a plot purpose), and over time become competitive. Andan isn't as talented in the force, but is a better duelist, and visa versa.
  • Unbeknownst to the students, their academy is close to another planet - Dathomir. Home to the nightsisters and dark side users, the increasing light side presence on the nearby planet has drawn attention.
  • Luke, aware of 'some darkness nearby' grows concerned, but keeps it to himself. Han and Leia visit, with their daughter - Breha Organa-Solo - now old enough to attend the academy. She has high force potential, like her mother, and Leia wants her trained more thoroughly than Luke has taught Leia in the last 30 years.
  • Luke shares thoughts about dark side presence with Leia, Han and Chewie enjoy some force shenanigans with the students - mainly the new main heroes showing off a little, showing Breha what they've learned, etc.
  • Leia shares growing concerns with rumors of an Empire-like faction in the unknown regions, but this is more a teaser for part two than any real revelation.
  • Nightsister Elder Snoke (lack of name) senses the inherent power of Breha on Dathomir. She wants her.
  • For the next second arc, Breha begins training, and throughout is contacted by Snoke via the force - usual dark side promises, power, etc.
  • With Breha teetering on the edge, Snoke sends nightsisters to abduct her; Luke, Andan and Rey fight them off, but during the conflict when the nightsisters are repelled, Andan kills one in anger - for trying to take his sister, for feeling inadequate in the force, for being second tier to Rey, etc.
  • Luke, concerned, focuses on helping Andan contain his anger, but also has to be mindful of protecting students; he has too much on his plate and Andan begins getting contact from Snoke, who plans on turning him to take Breha, getting both siblings.
  • Meanwhile, Rey is promoted to Jedi Knight, and takes her place as an instructor and begins lessons with students, including Andan. Andan hates it, Snoke's influence grows, and...
  • Andan turns, leaving the academy, consumed with the need to find power to compete with his girl and sister!
  • Luke, disappointed, takes Rey and tries to seek Andan out, leaving other instructors to maintain lessons. Han and Chewie are called, Leia off dealing with this mysterious Imperial-like threat, and join the hunt for the kid. Since they don't know where the nightsisters come from, we have a sequence of the four visiting planets, perhaps a confrontation with a pirate ship, giving Han a moment to shine, etc.
  • Eventually they find Dathomir and land. They are immediately attacked by too many nightsisters, and captured, cutting to black.
  • Meanwhile, Leia is visiting a planet near the unknown regions. She talks to Wedge Antilles, who has knowledge of the area and owns a shipping company, he enjoys the visit, but otherwise can't give much info. The pair hear about the Andan situation from the academy and Leia beelines to help at the academy, hoping to track down Rey/Han/Luke/Chewie/Andan.
  • Snoke has the group captured, she is tormenting them, and reveals Breha - who had been captured in Luke's absence, as Snoke hoped. Andan had just been a means of getting the more powerful Jedi to leave. The academy has suffered some injuries, we learn, but only Breha was taken.
  • Breha is tempted by the dark side, Rey and Luke stand strong, Andan is as resentful as ever, Han and Chewie are along for the ride - they make some quips.
  • Suddenly Leia arrives and she is all controlled fury. Not anger, but calm, deliberate power. She smashes her way through the nightsisters, seeing that her children, husband, brother and fur-buddy are all in danger - she becomes a conduit for the force, living up to that potential many fans believed she had. Through the fight Leia frees Luke and co, and the fight ensues.
  • Snoke is defeated, Leia unknowingly earns a spot of respect within the nightsisters and is expected to take leadership, but she instead takes the family and leaves.
  • Snoke is exiled, tormented and humiliated by the sisters, before being sent packing.
  • Returning to the academy, Luke sees everyone is okay. Leia comforts Breha, Andan is distant and leaves to his chambers. Han follows after a while, but finds the room empty - again - and sighs, before raising concerns with Leia. Luke focuses on helping recover from the sisters' attack, Rey looks for Andan in the jungles of planet, and the Solo's help Breha settle back into normalcy.
  • Andan is consumed with power by this point; his mother just wiped the floor with a dozen nightsisters, he's felt the sting of being behind Rey, and the focus on his sister, it's all too much. He grabbed an item on Dathomir, a medallion, and when he touches it, he sees Snoke in visions - she is injured, exiled, walking toward a hut... Andan decides his time as a Jedi is waning, and wants to learn from Snoke, especially now that the nightsisters aren't around and Snoke probably needs him (rather than using him for Breha - it's time for ANDAN to be wanted and needed).
  • Rey arrives just in time to see Andan leave in a ship.
  • Luke is informed, decides it's time to talk to Andan more seriously, and departs. He promises Leia that he can handle getting Andan back. Leia knows he can (he talked Vader back after all, so their confused relative shouldn't be a problem).
  • Han, Leia and Chewie leave to return to their respective business.
  • Rey, alone with the other trainers and students, suddenly gets a call from Wedge (who has their frequency from earlier), and tells them about a vast fleet that has moved through the region, bee-lining for the academy system-- he's cut off.
  • Meanwhile, Andan lands on Dathomir. He meets Snoke, demands she train him, and with no other options she agrees. The pair leave, Snoke content to humor the boy because of his ship.
  • Luke arrives, is too late to find Andan and Snoke, and then his X-Wing comm opens: "Luke, it's Rey! The academy is under attack by star destroyers!"
  • Change to the academy, with Rey and Jedi standing outside the temple, looking up as an impossible number of SDs appear and begin firing.

 

End Part One

 

 

If you want, I can keep going. Keep in mind this is straight from mind to text, no re-purposing or tweaking, etc. It's just the basic idea I've had in the past but never took time to jot down. SO it's rough.


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