Calling All Light and/or Neutral Sided Master and Knights

[Noah Corek]

Okay so I have a weird proposition for any Knight or Master Level Jedi in the GA. I want to learn a few lightsaber forms. First I know what your going to say: "Oh but your character isn't a Jedi or Force-User so you can't learn them." but that is actually untrue. When you get down to it Lightsaber forms are just a style of sword combat that is geared to using lightsabers instead of a actual sword but with a little adjustment it can be geared to a sword-user instead. So with that being said I'd like to lay out exactly what I'd like to learn. I'd like to learn Form I: Shii Cho, Form IV: Ataru, Form V: Djem So and finally once I've learned all those forms I'd like to learn Form VII: Juyo and then upgrade that to Vaapad. So if anyone has anything they wanna say or they wanna help me just shoot a post here.

 

[Alkor Centaris]

Well, the theory behind all of those forms can be learned over time, and some of the motions can be rehearsed and regurgitated, but for the most part you're not going to be able to emulate the parts of lightsaber combat that require the Force. You can mimic some of the quicker paced motions with honed reflexes and combat expertise, but something like Vapaad, which inherently draws on the Force, can't be done by a Non-Force User.

Certainly, you can teach yourself to ride the lightning in an emotional sense like a Juyo user, but the experience is wholly different. You can give yourself over to the rush of adrenaline, feel all the emotions, and fight with the ferocity of a pissed off rancor, but it's not the same as being fully immersed in combat and seeped in the Force itself. Juyo and Vapaad differ from other types of lightsaber combat in that they don't just require the user to study the blade, but how to become the blade.

A fully trained Master of Juyo doesn't need telekinesis or any Force specialty because they literally are a Force of Nature. Someone who can't tap into that font of raw power can't do it. I'm more than willing to teach the basics of the form, and how to fight with a saber based solely on repetition and mastery of spatial awareness, but it is my assessment that Form VII is probably not the way to go.

Conversely, you can greatly benefit from knowledge of Form V, because it literally tailors to using the size and strength of the wielder in combat to overwhelm foes. Just a thought or two from your friendly neighborhood Alkyholic.

 

[Jynx]

Aren't lightsabers omni-edgey swords anyways? Which would make it less viable to apply to a sword which has limited angler fish?

[member="Noah Corek"]

 

[Alkor Centaris]

I think "edge" in this context is a bit of a misnomer, but I see the point you're making ma'am.

You can consider lightsabers on a plane that's basically a straight line, thickened to several degrees. Anything that falls within that realm is a target, as well as anything within mere centimeters of it. To a degree, fighting in the same way with a different weapon is a bit difficult. You're sacrificing an unlimited number of vectors for realistically two (at most.) This is compensated for with a weapon like a vibroblade, where the real damage is not done by the blade itself but by the intense vibrations of the weapon. Also, you could arm the character with an energy sword and get a similar effect to a lightsaber, albeit with some weight behind it.

The real idea is that understanding and utilizing lightsaber proficiency teaches enhanced reflexes and spatial awareness. We take it for granted as Force Users because the Force is inherent to us and allows us to compensate for a greater surface area with heightened senses. The reason a Forcie doesn't worry about their lightsaber glancing them in combat, actually, is that they're trained to be subconsciously aware of where their weapon is at all times. Those spins, slashes, and quick precise motions are just second nature to a sensitive.

That's not true of a Non-Forcie. Barring a few exceptions, they don't have that inherent understanding of vectors and closeness. With specialized training like the saber offers, they get to learn practicum like "the heat is way too close to me at x mm, I need to be sure to keep the weapon that far from me at all times" and "if I move my weapon like this, these are the finite number of directions and speeds it can move." It's literally vector calculus, physics, and trigonometry.

And it's just taught to little kids like ABCs.

[member="Jynx"]

 

[Ellie Mors]

then upgrade that to Vaapad.

Vapaad actually requires the force if you're going to attempt to actually utilize the entirety of the form's requisites. I would dare say Juyo does, too, but I suppose you could only learn half of the tenets of the style.

Lightsaber styles, as in the styles themselves, are based around the use of the force with a lightsaber, not just the way you move or the way you decide to attack (or not attack).

 

[sabrina]

[member="Noah Corek"] makashi is good one to start with as it is fencing