Character Training Questions

[ArcturusDM]

I am having issues getting characters trained by others. I'm extremely active as a writer, and can get on every night if need be. My problem is finding people that can actually train me. This presents a bigger problem for the most part, as characters that are trained have a better time role-playing, as SWRP is a mostly conflict based game.

What I am getting at is; can a character train themselves to learn new abilities? Is that possible? Or to create new ones? For example, I have a character that fights with a vibroshield and vibroblade. Could he technically create a "saber" form as there is not a form that exists for that?

Furthermore, could a Jedi/Sith/Force User unlock more abilities the more and more they train? Now, I realize recently admins removed the Force Powers portion from Char Bios, and I assume this is because they want to move SWRP from a more game-based forum to a more creative one. (Which I support.)

I've only been on this site a week now, and have created at least 2 characters that need training in the Force. My other reason for asking this is I am thinking of creating another character that can train himself in certain abilities, etc.

Anyway, I guess Im just curious if this has ever been asked before. Thanks all for reading!

 

[Matsu Ike]

[member="ArcturusDM"] I am always around and I love training threads. If you need a dedicated trainer and enjoy some random adventure we could do something. Training new abilities and techniques is fun to learn and work on. *runs back to self training thread*

 

[Matreya]

I'm always open for Martial Arts/Lightsaber/Sword/Mental Abilities training. Also any other kind of thread. Hit me up.

 

[Ellie Mors]

I am having issues getting characters trained by others. I'm extremely active as a writer, and can get on every night if need be. My problem is finding people that can actually train me. This presents a bigger problem for the most part, as characters that are trained have a better time role-playing, as SWRP is a mostly conflict based game.

What I am getting at is; can a character train themselves to learn new abilities? Is that possible? Or to create new ones? For example, I have a character that fights with a vibroshield and vibroblade. Could he technically create a "saber" form as there is not a form that exists for that?

Furthermore, could a Jedi/Sith/Force User unlock more abilities the more and more they train? Now, I realize recently admins removed the Force Powers portion from Char Bios, and I assume this is because they want to move SWRP from a more game-based forum to a more creative one. (Which I support.)

I've only been on this site a week now, and have created at least 2 characters that need training in the Force. My other reason for asking this is I am thinking of creating another character that can train himself in certain abilities, etc.

Anyway, I guess Im just curious if this has ever been asked before. Thanks all for reading!

1. Yes, you can do all of those learning/creating/adapting questions all on your own.
2. Yes.

That being said, training threads aren't a requirement. I know the vast majority of SWRP tends to do them, even people I enjoy writing with, but I don't, and refuse to really do so. Unless I'm making something with alchemy or training via combat in an actual invasion/duel/etc, I believe I only have a single training thread on any of my characters.

So, yes, you can go out and do all of this alone, or with someone when you find that someone, but you can also jump right into duels/skirmishes/invasions/etc without those training threads and just write for those scenarios with knowledge you feel your character should have, building on those experiences as foundation and reasoning for building your character up.

 

[Coryth Elaris]

[member="ArcturusDM"]

can a character train themselves to learn new abilities? Is that possible? Or to create new ones? For example, I have a character that fights with a vibroshield and vibroblade. Could he technically create a "saber" form as there is not a form that exists for that?

You can actually self-train. There are quite a few people across the board that have done and are doing solo threads to gain new skills. You cannot create new abilities though. What is on wookiepedia, is plenty. The site staff has always been against creating brand new powers since there are so many to choose from already and that opens a can of worms I don't think any of us are ready for. Especially when you already can do just about anything with the current force powers. As for a saber form, I don't see why someone couldn't create a new form.

 

[Fabula Caromed]

Someone actually asked me about creating a new lightsaber form in a PM a while back. My answer was "there's no rule against it, because lightsaber forms are purely stylistic choices with no mechanical benefits."

However, during the designing process, they came to the same conclusion that I did a while back. It's difficult to create a new saber form that feels distinct from the original seven because there are seven styles to compare it against. Each one is based on a single concept (simplicity, precision, patience, aggression, dominance, versatility, ferocity), and it's not easy to find another that isn't at all like the original seven. Especially considering two or three of the original seven seriously resemble each other as it is.

Anyway. No rules against it. Develop one as you want to. But realistically, it's going to resemble a variant of one of the existing seven forms.

 

[Ellie Mors]

The site staff has always been against creating brand new powers since there are so many to choose from already and that opens a can of worms I don't think any of us are ready for. Especially when you already can do just about anything with the current force powers. As for a saber form, I don't see why someone couldn't create a new form.

Not quite.

However, to the crowd asking me about whether or not they can make custom powers... please don't ask me what you can or can't do. I understand there is a need for direction from some of you, a need for hard defined rules. And I *could* provide these rules. I could *police* these decisions.

But in the absence of rules is freedom, freedom allotted to you to make your own decisions of how you want to go about things. If you complain about ambiguity then you're missing this very obvious chance to do things how you want to do them and not have someone tell you how to do it.

 

[ArcturusDM]

[member="Matsu Ike"]

I will message you as my Jedi Padawan and we can get some training in whenever you would like!

[member="Damien Daemon"]

I will message you with my darksider and we can set up a thread whenever you would like.

[member="Darth Atrophia"]

I didnt know that they were not a requirement. I thought you needed them to increase your rank and abilities. Thats completely new to me. Thank you for that information!

[member="Coryth Elaris"]

I wouldn't be creating any new abilities anyway honestly. That was just a mere example. There are a large amount of force abilities as it is, so I agree with you on that.

[member="Fabula Caromed"]

The only reason I ask about saber forms is the fact that one of my character uses a sword and board and there is not a form for that as its not really a common form of fighting. For example, Jar Kai is a form usually utilized by those that duel wield blades. There is not a form I can find that utilizes the ability of sword and board, as its called. I would imagine it would be a marriage between Soresu and Shien.

 

[Ellie Mors]

There is not a form I can find that utilizes the ability of sword and board, as its called. I would imagine it would be a marriage between Soresu and Shien.

Shii-Cho was designed as the first form for lightsaber dueling and was based on archaic (as in outmoded by lightsabers at the time) sword dueling with actual swords. I think you'll find that Shii-Cho and Makashi are probably the closest to regular sword dueling than most.

 

[ArcturusDM]

Shii-Cho was designed as the first form for lightsaber dueling and was based on archaic (as in outmoded by lightsabers at the time) sword dueling with actual swords. I think you'll find that Shii-Cho and Makashi are probably the closest to regular sword dueling than most.

Hmm. I thought Makashi was more focused on making quick, light attacks that were incredibly accurate. Shii-Cho is more sweeping, wide attacks, so maybe a variant of that would work. Thank you.

 

[Coryth Elaris]

[member="Darth Atrophia"]

We just had this discussion not long ago over in codex about creating new force powers. The general consensus was no. Don't do it. Here in this thread.

IMO: Big fat no. There's enough to choose from and everything would just turn into spammy anime, DBZ and the like.

To quote spencer, a big fat no.

 

[Ellie Mors]

[member="Darth Atrophia"]

We just had this discussion not long ago over in codex about creating new force powers. The general consensus from staff was no. Don't do it. Here in this thread.





To quote spencer, a big fat no.

I am quoting Tefka's answer to my question roughly last week. There will be no codex for force powers (next page over in my link), but people are free to use the force as they please within reason, pending any reports that might be filed for huge abuse of power.

 

[Matsu Ike]

[member="ArcturusDM"] I am up for whenever and welcome your padawan. We'll have a fun time.

 

[Ellie Mors]

To clarify, I quoted that very Codex discussion thread prior with my question.

 

[Arage Bao]

The force is limitless, it can be RP'd however you want it to be and as creatively as you want it to be. As long as you don't get reported.

 

[Coryth Elaris]

The point being there are limitless powers out there with the force - without creating more. Like say creating a blood clot in someone's lung or heart by gathering the platelet cells together to form said clot and kill a person that way. That's not a listed power, nope but a creatively employed use of canon powers (In that example, art of the small or TK, depending on who you talk to). You don't have to go outside canon. You just have to creatively employ canon powers. There's already just about everything and then some covered, including time manipulation to a certain degree.

Anyway, I digress. That's not the subject of the thread, just a side question asked within it.

 

[Fabula Caromed]

Hmm. I thought Makashi was more focused on making quick, light attacks that were incredibly accurate. Shii-Cho is more sweeping, wide attacks, so maybe a variant of that would work. Thank you.

It's much more complicated than that. Shii-Cho's maneuvers are simple, as is the overall structure of the style. Yes, sweeping attacks help against multiple enemies, but the largest draw to Shii-Cho for 1vX combat is the fact that simple, easy maneuvers take less concentration, allowing you to focus your energy on contending with multiple fronts.

Likewise, yes, Makashi maneuvers tend to involve light cuts and are normally executed quickly. But it's not the "fast attacking" form. It's the concentration form. A Makashi attack is calculated. Focused. Precise. There's nothing spammy about them. A single attack will come out quickly to exploit a weakness in an enemy's technique, but the time between individual attacks could be barely a breath or several seconds.

The seven lightsaber forms are much more than just stat bonuses.

Anyway! For use with a physical shield, Shii-Cho would be a simple alteration, since the form itself was originally just an adaptation of normal sword maneuvers. Makashi would likely be an ill fit, as it teaches its user to create a small body profile to minimize the area one can be struck in. Soresu, on the other hand, loves defense, and would likely quite enjoy having a shield added to its options for stalling out a fight even longer.

Form V (Djem So is more common than Shien here) normally requires both hands to properly apply momentum. I wouldn't suggest gimping it with a physical shield.

 

[sabrina]

[member="ArcturusDM"] I am running training threads in the empire, come along and have a look.
http://starwarsrp.net/groups/480-the-empire/ we are still setting up, and will have our first faction threads up soon.

 

[Tefka]

1. You can make up your own powers, as I've announced previously (and has been quoted) - but we're just not providing an outlet for that. Staff isn't going to legitimize it. The Factory and the Codex are swamped with enough issues without literally the biggest elephant in the room standing over our shoulders waiting to be unleashed. All you're doing when you make up your own power is describing the way you're using the Force and giving that method/power a name. It's very simple, and it's allowed.

2. Yes, there's plenty of Force Powers already in the wiki, yes we allow those here at Chaos. No, we don't discriminate between using them or describing your own made-up powers. The Force is mysterious and works in mysterious ways.

3. Yes, if your power is reported for being overpowered/ridiculous/not conforming with Star Wars canon in the eyes of the SWRP Chaos Staff Team, you will be contacted by us and asked to discontinue use of it.

Using the Force is a lot like using technology in a Play-by-Post environment. It's usage is only as cool as the person who you're writing with is with it. However, the crux of the issue is this: Factory goers have Staff representatives approving and validating their stuff, so it can be used in an argument with "well, it's approved."

I do not wish to afford the same argument to Force Users. No Force User will use a made-up power and be able to say "well, its approved." And then we have to devote Staff resources to pulling the sub and going back on what was given.

No, your usage of that made-up ability begins and ends with the writer you are writing with, and how cool he/she is with you using it.