Cold War poll

[Taeli Raaf]

Apologies, needed to resubmit this as something weird was going on with it. Just please redo what your vote was, thank you and sorry for the inconvenience

 

[Aithne Charr]

Hmph, Tsktsk Taeli, just ruining the votes left and right. *Shakes head.*

 

[Taeli Raaf]

[member="Solan Charr"]

*glares at Solan* go back to class

 

[Aithne Charr]

[member="Taeli Raaf"]

Not in class today or thursdays, MWAHAHAHAH

 

[Ali Hadrix]

Felt the need to transfer my thoughts from the last thread to this one:

I feel we need to subdue the weight of this vote's results and consider a third option:

Continue the open war with the OS with a particular set of military goals in mind and simply add story-driven, covert operations to the list of threads we write with them.

To be clear, a Cold War with the OS would require we do things like pit other factions against each other in order to affect one another's factions in some fashion. Like the American CIA fomenting civil war in Afghanistan in order to trick the Russians into invading and draining their economic power through military spending.

We can write stories like that and have our hot war as well. The disadvantage of ending the hot war is that we lose all opportunity to gain territory back from the OS, which SHOULD remain an on-going objective.
The advantage of initiating covert stories with the OS is to repair that relationship we were speaking of.

But the two aren't mutually exclusive.

So, continue the hot war, and initiate covert ops threads (which can also be used to support our future invasions).

 

[Turin Val Kur]

Not sure if I should vote IC or OOC hahaha

 

[Natasi Fortan]

I can't vote, but I say NO and YES, respectively. For all the good it will do...

 

[Marcus Itera]

[member="Aurelia Volcata"]

How's it supposed to be a Cold War with you struttin' around, hot stuff?

 

[Natasi Fortan]

[member="Aurelia Volcata"]

How's it supposed to be a Cold War with you struttin' around, hot stuff?

...oh dear. Just whose sector are you a ranger of, young man?

 

[Strider Garon]

I do not get a vote cause I am just a guest here, but I will voice my biased opinion. WAR and keep it HAWT! Shall never be peace with the sith.

 

[Marcus Itera]

...oh dear. Just whose sector are you a ranger of, young man?

Your beloved Republic, Miss.

 

[Geneviève Lasedri]

I know this isn't exactly the purpose of this thread, but is there any IC explanation one could come up with for us to trust the Sith with a ceasefire? Does anyone else find it hard to justify?

I realize we are probably looking at this from a mostly OOC perspective, but we are on an RP site and I think rectifying ourselves with IC sensibility is worth at least a thought in passing. Especially from my angle since my main sector of the faction is going to be ICly responsible for all of this. An armistice goes against some of our characters.

Just my two credits.

 

[Natasi Fortan]

I know this isn't exactly the purpose of this thread, but is there any IC explanation one could come up with for us to trust the Sith with a ceasefire? Does anyone else find it hard to justify?

I realize we are probably looking at this from a mostly OOC perspective, but we are on an RP site and I think rectifying ourselves with IC sensibility is worth at least a thought in passing. Especially from my angle since my main sector of the faction is going to be ICly responsible for all of this. An armistice goes against some of our characters.

Just my two credits.

This all the time. I've heard lots of talk about how bad handwaving is, but without a solid reason, that's all this will be.

 

[Marcus Itera]

I know this isn't exactly the purpose of this thread, but is there any IC explanation one could come up with for us to trust the Sith with a ceasefire? Does anyone else find it hard to justify?

Very true. They've won the past ten invasions and we've barely managed to keep up with them ICly. Them just stopping their campaigns against us and not finishing the rest of this long and costly war is a major plot gap. Even Sith ICly will be pissed at this, don't even get me started on the Republic's freedom fighters.

If there's a sensible and logical IC explanation for this whole deal going down, I'd be game to support its movement.

 

[Aela Talith]

Already stated my piece, but to answer the question of IC justification one must only look to the source of the idea for all this; SWTOR.

In SWTOR the Ceasefire was forced by the Sith after they sacked Coruscant. The Sacking of Coruscant was a huge event that essentially forced the Republic into realizing that they needed time and resources to get back into the fight. The Sith on the other hand were forced by the Emperor into this peace(because he had other plots).

This situation is not all that dissimilar. Basically in order to justify this ICly, you have a MASSIVE thread similar to the original invasion of Coruscant, save its not an invasion. It doesn't matter whether its Sith or the Republic striking, but someone takes a hit, a major one. The thread sees all kinds of action, hundreds of Jedi and Sith dying, dozens of capital ships destroyed, millions of soldiers felled. Just an utterly huge event that forces a ceasfire to happen because both sides realize they need time to recover.

It's really simple and could be and awesome thread.

The first time the "campaign" prefix is justified.

 

[Vakarian]

I'm all for peace between the Jedi and the Sith, Akartin wants nothing more than to achieve that. But, the issue lies in whether or not either side can be trusted to keep the peace. The galaxy is filled to the brim with imperfect beings, and if Star Wars canon has taught me anything; It's that peace never lasts.

Although, seeing [member="Aela Talith"] 's post... I'd like to see that occur. It would provide the basis needed to achieve peace, and both sides would be too weak to mount much of an assault of a significant magnitude at the losses described in her post. I would throw my support into that, if it were to become a real thing.

 

[Cecily Demici]

I like [member="Aela Talith"] 's example.

Play smarter, not harder.

 

[Tyl Ro]

All of the following from an IC perspective:

Keep in mind that we are not a militocracy. We are a Republic. Despite being at war, if diplomatic resolution is possible, even if that resolution is just a ceasefire, that is the logical course of action for our government to take. Continuing a "hot" war will see the deaths of millions to billions (to trillions) more citizens. And even though we know that the opposition is unlikely to cease all hostilities, can we justify continuing the bloody conflict simply out of our own desire to beat our enemy? That is incredibly naïve, and would ultimately do more harm than good.

Would the military want to bump knuckles and keep up the fight? Of course, that's only natural for every soldier who has fight left in them. But in the end, if we left it to our military to make all of these decisions, we would be no different than any other despotistic state. Are we so willing to give up what makes us a Republic?

On top of that, we Jedi are meant to be upstanding examples of peace and order. While our enemy is and always will be the Sith, can a Jedi justify conflict for the sake of conflict? If a peaceful solution is available, regardless of the opponent, are we against the code for not pursuing peace within the borders we are sworn to protect?

OOCly, while this does not provide us the avenue to pursue such peace talks (like the suggestion of [member="Aela Talith"]), these are thoughts that our IC perspectives should consider. We are a Republic, not a group of militaristic tyrants.

 

[Cecily Demici]

[member="Tyl Ro"] is right. The military is the servant of the people, not the other way around. My character wants the Sith defeated, but she wouldnt risk the lives of more of her people if she didnt have to. That isn't necessarily the political alignment of EVERY Senator, but for most Jedi and Senators, if we are taking our tips from the IC past, we would know better than to keep it up.

 

[Corvus Raaf]

Just one thought. Will the OS be ceasing hostilities against the rest of the galaxy or just the GR? The Jedi Order are often called on as Allies to defend worlds against OS Invasions.

Would any ceasefire prohibit the Jedi's sworn duty to be guardians of peace in the galaxy?