Going Dark Jedi?

[James Justice]

Ok so James has made a few decisions with the recent Republic event. Some are dark, like speaking of building a monument out of dead clones, and his butchering of them and scrawing "FREEDOM" across the walls in their blood. Fun stuff. Recently he has begun to make an example of a set of bandits who kidnapped women during said event and is--yeah, leaving no survivors among the captors.

This leads to the question: would you said said chain of events would be the start of going from Rogue Jedi to Dark Jedi? James is doing it all for the motive of Goodness and helping the common people, but these are more than smuggling a few goods, which he does, or fighting off a few baddies.

All thoughts and opinions are totally welcome.

 

[Ror'jhan Siqsa]

Ok so James has made a few decisions with the recent Republic event. Some are dark, like speaking of building a monument out of dead clones, and his butchering of them and scrawing "FREEDOM" across the walls in their blood. Fun stuff. Recently he has begun to make an example of a set of bandits who kidnapped women during said event and is--yeah, leaving no survivors among the captors.

This leads to the question: would you said said chain of events would be the start of going from Rogue Jedi to Dark Jedi? James is doing it all for the motive of Goodness and helping the common people, but these are more than smuggling a few goods, which he does, or fighting off a few baddies.

All thoughts and opinions are totally welcome.

Hey, nice to meet yah Hopefully my opinion is still valued despite being new. Anyway, all that aside: I would say very clearly yes. Now I'm not entirely sure what classifies as a rogue Jedi, but I'll work under the assumption it's similar to the concept of Grey Jedi. Even by Grey Jedi standards, the things you've described are rather ruthless and very clearly emotionally driven. There is no balance of light in the actions so I would argue, based simply off what you've presented he'd already qualify as a Dark Jedi, especially if there is a lack of remorse.

Just my two cents [member="James Justice"]

 

[Ellie Mors]

This leads to the question: would you said said chain of events would be the start of going from Rogue Jedi to Dark Jedi? James is doing it all for the motive of Goodness and helping the common people, but these are more than smuggling a few goods, which he does, or fighting off a few baddies.

This is textbook definition of going over to the dark side.

It doesn't matter the reason you do it, it is what you do, how you do it, (sometimes why, I guess), and the circumstances around it that define whether something is right or wrong, good or bad.

And building a monument out of dead clones and writing "Freedom" in their blood is anything but good, right, or even remotely justifiable.

 

[James Justice]

[member="Ror'jhan Siqsa"].
[member="Bianca"]

Totally, all input is welcome.

James sees it as (pun not intended) justice. These clones have stolen and he feels death is deserved. These banditos took the women from a local village.... he feels there is nothing more suiting to them than death.... no remorse, but all for a good cause. I guess its him going from "Space Robin Hood" to "Space Punisher" perhaps?

 

[Teynara Jeralyr]

I'd say it definitely calls for Rogue or Dark as your identity, but it's up to you which fits better - plenty of Rogues that are Darker than Sith floating around, because they choose to own their dark deeds and don't identify themselves according to a specific creed or doctrine, the way that a Sith or a Jedi might. The actions you've taken are 'dark', but you say he's doing it for 'good' reasons (or reasons he perceives as good...) - that, to my mind, makes him more Rogue, in terms of how he might see himself.

The rest of us would see you as Dark, although the Sith would just say you're on the way to your first recruitment drive. We'll flag you up and send someone. Maybe we can teach you some proper calligraphy for when you're writing in blood.

Gotta do these things properly, you know?

 

[Ror'jhan Siqsa]

[member="Ror'jhan Siqsa"].
[member="Bianca"]

Totally, all input is welcome.

James sees it as (pun not intended) justice. These clones have stolen and he feels death is deserved. These banditos took the women from a local village.... he feels there is nothing more suiting to them than death.... no remorse, but all for a good cause. I guess its him going from "Space Robin Hood" to "Space Punisher" perhaps?

Anakin Skywalker though slaughtering sand people and cutting mace's hand off was Justice..He even said himself, Jedi are evil and need to be brought to justice (if I Recall.)

Anything can be justified in the end but it never changes the actions themselves. [member="James Justice"]

 

[James Justice]

[member="Ror'jhan Siqsa"]

Very true, good point and in a way, James sees sith and Jedi as one; both as manipulative people who use the other. Though he is more willing to work with Jedi than Sith, since he sees them more often as "misguided" and sees them helping others more often than not---or trying to anyway.

[member="Tirdarius"]

Eh, I don't know that he would go to those extreme of Sith-dom..... at least not unless he had everything he loved taken from him (mainly [member="Sasha Voss"]) then again he might not.... depends on how he plays out. I don't really have a plan for this character, I just let him go where he wants to.

 

[Teynara Jeralyr]

[member="James Justice"] I'd stick to Rogue, personally. Leave you a little more room to maneuver, unless you're inclined to label yourself as evil.

 

[Ellie Mors]

[member="James Justice"]
There's the neutral tag, which works wonders for some people's complexion - or so I've heard.

In reality, nobody is going to be offended that you are a rogue padawan doing rogue/bad things. Maybe if you had the Jedi Padawan tag... but I digress.

Do what you want, just realize that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

 

[Sor-Jan Xantha]

[member="James Justice"]

I usually look at it from the perspective of how the character connects with the Force, and less specific motivations. As Alec Guinness' immortal words proclaimed: "Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

So good, bad, evil, or mediocre mean nothing, except what they mean to James Justice. And the same applies to the tags as well. There is no universal definition for "dark jedi", "rogue jedi", "force witch", or even "sith lord" apart from what each individual writer ascribes to those tags.

If the Force represents personal power or an emotional connection, that's more the Dark Side of the Force (traditionally speaking). The light side is more about personal harmony and karmic balance. So you might consider how your character interacts with the Force, which can of course change as the character evolves.

Just some thoughts from the peanuts gallery, mate.

 

[Atrace]

Hi james, I think going dark could indeed prove to be good for character development, and could perhaps create interesting Roleplay's. Overall it could prove to be a really interesting thing for your character1







BTW LOVE THE DAVID TENNANT PIC!!!!!!

 

[James Justice]

[member="Darth Atrace"]

[member="Sor-Jan Xantha"]

Thanks, I think that is kinda the direction I am going for.

[member="Bianca"]

Yeah I never meant for James to be a classic good guy. I mean, honestly, compared to some of what is going on in this site, James is pretty mild (cough cough the primeval's genocide, Vrosnkyr's incest and patricide, slavery, smex trafficking, drug trafficking, murdering of innocent businessmen to take what they have, mugging, kidnapping.... the list goes on of felonies committed daily here. Frankly, we are all guilty of them, let's be honest. ) I meant for him to follow the type of the hero who does wrong. The ones we admire like:

*Robin hood
*Wolverine
*Punisher
*The Hulk (in some ways)
*and there are more I am sure, these are just the ones I like the most

so, yes he may grey the lines sometimes of hero and villan, and perhaps he needs to cross it sometimes, but in a way--all for the greater good. Or for the doing of well for the innocent e.g: the women he is rescuing in a current thread by killing their captors.

 

[Ellie Mors]

[member="James Justice"]
It's just in SW there's a difference between the perception between good and evil and light and dark side. It doesn't really matter, just there's a difference.

 

[Connor Harrison]

[member="James Justice"] I've had Connor a Rogue with the Silver Sanctum for a while under this definition:

A person whose behavior one disapproves of but who is nonetheless likeable or attractive

I feel it's a Han Solo-style of being a rogue, which I prefer rather than a nasty one. I use the term Rogue as a personality trait rather than Force allegiance, because he will serve the Light but bend the rules and do things his way to get the job done but without succumbing to the Dark - not now anyway.

Make sure you have a slight idea of where you want your character to be or do as a Rogue - I lost my way with Connor a little and it became Dark Jedi material and the lines were blurred, but I didn't enjoy flitting from one side to the other so kept him clearly on ONE side, Light, but with a very roguish way of doing things to keep him interesting and a little unpredictable, but not unreadable.

Good luck with your choices!

 

[James Justice]

[member="Connor Harrison"]


Great advice for this character, thanks!

You and James would tend to get along great then

 

[Seraphina Shel'tah]

[member="James Justice"]

For what it's worth I've always seen Rogue Jedi as simply being unaffiliated with an order, or a Jedi that blatantly disobeys the Jedi council, though still follows the code. That's just my own perspective though. I'd say what James has done is very clearly darksided. Anakin style darksided. You just went and killed the tuskan raiders, except this was clones, and for killing your freedom, not your mother.

 

[Alric Kuhn]

for killing your freedom, not your mother.

When I read this I heard and eagle and saw the american flag.

 

[Seraphina Shel'tah]

[member="Alric Kuhn"]

Before anyone else gets to it before me...

 

[Corey's OOC]

Murica where?
FREEDOM

 

[Corvus Raaf]

[member="James Justice"]

Jedi follow the Code and its tenets and pillars. Taking a life unless it's a last resort is not the Jedi way. If it's for personal benefit or the greater good - it matters little.

We see the world not as it is but as we are.

So how you view yourself will be different to how others view you. And the definition of Rogue is very, very woolly. But I like Sera's view - a Jedi that follows the Code but is not aligned to a given Order. But that's just my take on it.

The question is, did you use the Light-side or the Dark-Side of the Force? If you fuelled your actions with emotions, then you used the Dark-Side. And that would make you a Dark-Jedi in Corvus' eyes. But as I say, everyone will see you from their own perspective.