Is a Darth Nihilus like transformation possible?

[Darth Abyss]

So I always have been very intrigued by the concept of Nihilus basically being nothing but dark side energy kept together by his mask and robe/armor, as his physical body had been devoured by his hunger fot energy. Thr hunger thing was something that served as inspiration for Abyss hunger for knowledge, in form of a obsessive, almost physical desire that drives him.

The question that now bugs me is: Is it possible to recreate what happend to nihilus? My own thought, considering the circumstances of the transformation and his status as wound in the force, was no, it isn't possible, but I really would like the opinions of some other lore nuts on the topic.

Little info: Even if it is possible, it's certainly not something that I will do to Abyss right now, it is something that I had in the back of my mind for the time aftrrr he becomes a sith lord.

So yeah let me hear what you all have to say.

 

[Garza]

[member="Darth Abyss"], Possible, Yes. Here? Maybe not.

If you really want to become a literally Wound in the force, Then you will have to work on this for a long time, and have a very solid base to work from to become this powerful.

If you go through all the steps. Show how you could do it, and write one damn good story around it, Then yes. I think respectiable writers would accept it. However, you have to really, REALLY work for it.

 

[Darth Abyss]

I figured that is wasn't as easy as just saying "I'm now a wound in the force lol." but I am not 100% sure if I got it right. Its never really explained why and how a wound manifest in person (if it is please tell me lol) instead of the location where something happend. The way I understand it is that if someone would kill enough people at once, while being in the center of the wounding of the force it could manifest right? Has anyone in legends or on chaos ever made an attempt to actively become a wound in the force?

Will check in with RPJ to know if this even has a place on chaos, because if not the discussion is pretty much redundant.

[member="Atheus"]

 

[Garza]

[member="Darth Abyss"], There are many theories of how this could happen.

I know that Darth Nihilus used force drain so much that his "Essence" Consumed itself, and the only thing keeping him alive was his manifestation within his robes and mask. That's why he had no physical form other than his clothing. As for becoming a wound in the force, There are many things that can cause it.

Death is a sure and easy one. trillions of death being brought around one character that is completely charged by the dark side of the force could be one way to do it, but you won't be turning into a literal ghostly being. Like Darth Sion, His entire body was only living through his pure power of the force, and his body would stay alive at the cost of always feeling pain, and his body literally decomposing while he is breathing. I *personally* consider him a wound in the force because his body was completely influence from the force. His body was dead, but his rage and pain lived on, and he literally could not be killed. He died because he didn't want to live any more.

So as for what you could do? Literally anything comes to mind as to what you could do.

 

[Jsc]

[member="Darth Abyss"]

Yeah you could do it.

But.

If you tried to PvP as a Wound in the Force who consumes whole worlds, is immortal, and flies a whole Star Destroyer with nothing but his mind? Mmm. We'll probably all hate you forever.

 

[Darth Abyss]

Okay last question I guess, before I go and ask a judge.
Also I guess you meant darth sion not bane right? As far as I know Bane never really lost his will to live lol. And sion was considered a wound as far as I know.

As you said there are other ways then simply causing deaths, and I have already a few in mind especially considering that some force powers and alchemy can rip apart the very fabric of the force. As with drain essence, I would go the route of building the whole thing up of drain knowledge, just to a degree were Abyss would be consumed by it.

So for the actual question: If Abyss would go on and attempt a ritual where he uses the power to drain knowledge in combination with some alchemy ritual to simultaneously tear at the fabric of the force, could this work? I mean in your opinion, as yo seem well informed on the topic.

[member="Atheus"]

I don't mean to play it out to some crazy nihilus degree, he would still be affected by damage to his body aka. armor and mask etc, and his drain ability would directed at knowledge/minds and not on live essence. Also wouldn't up his overall power to an unfair degree because that would be no fun at all.

[member="Jay Scott Clark"]

 

[Jsc]

[member="Darth Abyss"]

It's totally cool then. If peeps can still dodge your force attacks, deal damage with mundane weapons, and your not some godmode-padawan blasting whole starfighters apart with a flick of your eyelids? Then yeah. It's fine.

Go for it.

 

[Garza]

[member="Darth Abyss"], I just woke up about an hour ago, So apologies for using the wrong darth. lol. Yes I am talking about Darth Sion. *facepalm*

Honestly, as long as you make the story good, and use as little handwavieum as possible, then yes. As with Force Drain, Drain Knowledge could make Abyss crave knowledge to such a degree, and even if you are learning about Sith Alchemy, I want to point this out.

Sith Alchemy is the altering of something physical. It changes swords to act like semi-lightsabers, and creatures to be monsters.

What you may want to look into, is Sith Magic as well as Sith Alchemy in tandem with one another to get something that works best.

as [member="Jay Scott Clark"] said, You have to prove you are worthy for such powers. If you are going around throwing star destroyers like Starkiller and consuming planets like Galactius, then you will have people who won't respect you. So learn how to play the character. Limit your powers to a degree. I try to come up with a term for myself of "Every power as a strength, as a weakness." If you have really good vision, hearing, and sensory skills, then items like flashbang grenades, or weapons that are aimed to specifically hinder those senses, then it will do more damage. Even then, I try to make characters that have more weaknesses than strengths to "balance" out the character.

So keep that in mind when you are looking up and taking the time to study on how to do this.

 

[Darth Prazutis]

[member="Darth Abyss"] [member="Atheus"]

Becoming a wound in the force? Maybe. The same as Darth Nihilus? No.

Darth Nihilus was turned into who he is by the Mass Shadow Generator. A superweapon built with ancient technology lost to time which is now destroyed. I don't believe a Darth Nihilus transformation is possible. It wasn't a drawback to force drain. He was basically hit by a super weapon and survived its activation.

It was rare in itself that he survived it let alone became who he is.

 

[Garza]

[member="Darth Prazutis"], thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Darth Abyss]

quote from wookiepedia, note that this is the last piece of backstory about him before the events of kotor two, and not directly after malachor V. The triumvirate had there fallout, etc etc etc

"Nihilus became so absorbed by the dark side of the Force and his hunger that his physical body began to erode. Knowing that he would succumb to death if he did not act soon, Nihilus ripped his spirit from his body and encased it in the armor he wore, thus allowing the dark side to consume his useless body. Using the Force, the Sith Lord was able to keep his robes, armor and mask together, giving him some form while allowing him to use his Force powers as well as a lightsaber. Apart from that, he no longer had a physical form and became simple, primitive intent.[2]"

so no I think it wasn't the mass shadow generator. I did my homework on this one lol.

[member="Darth Prazutis"]

 

[Teynara Jeralyr]

[member="Darth Abyss"]

It is definitely possible, but I should note it signals a perversion, a move away from being Sith into just being an ultimately destructive Force: Nihilus was a being that essentially 'ate' life, feeding upon it and thus becoming a predator on all living things, particularly Force Sensitives. Like the Anzati (and think SG:A's Wraith), you're looking at a being so utterly consumed by that hunger that no other priority remains: no political ambitions, no desire to do anything positive. Such a being would be an instinctual, destructive creature, one that definitely fits into the 'Monster' archetype.

Nihilus had plenty of flaws (the need to feed being pretty huge), but remember that he emerged at a time when powerful Force Users weren't really high in numbers: he was a threat precisely because he was mostly unchallenged. He was ended because one of the few remaining was able to counter him directly, putting a stop to the threat that he represented. That's obviously not something that would happen here.

As for the 'how', I would speculate that he mostly because so corrupted by the Dark Side that he essentially developed a hunger for it, such that he was consumed by the Dark Side in some fashion and thus needed further energies to sustain his life and powers. Abyss might suffer a traumatising episode, such as Nihilus did with Malachor V, but I'd imagine it could also be a slow and insidious development, too.

 

[Jhett Justyce]

My good friend [member="Atheus"] said it rather aptly. As long as you have a good story driven reason for it, anything short of a death star is possible on Chaos. Do note that "copy cat" type stories are generally frowned upon (e.g: How many Han Solo remakes are there on the board? How many have our mad respect? Few. Very few. Yes, I wrote one, so I include myself in that demographic).

You want to make yourself an incorporeal being who has been devoured by lust of power? Go for it, in fact, I'd encourage it. Just please build up to it with a fantastic story, that'd be my only caveat. and as the glorious SJC has noted.... don't be the goddawan. Not saying you would be, just the disclaimer that has to be put on everything--like the "do not use orally" thing on the hair curling iron.

With that said--A being like Darth Carnifex could pull it off. Because he has been THE Sith Lord for so long. He has such a built in precedence and has had such a long story line and is such a good writer, etc, etc etc. So if you want to become this sort of thing and get the mad respect (and no/minimal qualms) that you'd desire from this board, I recommend doing just that--building your presence on the board and making "street cred" as they call it.

Cheers.

[member="Darth Abyss"]

 

[Grrwunhoooll Agaburry]

[member="Darth Abyss"] I shall help you do this, Believe it or not I desired something similar but on a larger scale so I can end my toons story. It is possible if you believe it can be done by your character. When other writers see

So I always have been very intrigued by the concept of Nihilus basically being nothing but dark side energy kept together by his mask and robe/armor, as his physical body had been devoured by his hunger fot energy. Thr hunger thing was something that served as inspiration for Abyss hunger for knowledge, in form of a obsessive, almost physical desire that drives him.

They get worried and tell you it can be done but it shouldn't. Screw em. If I took their advice Kezeroth and Saverok my Force Sensitive Gen'dais would of never been created and loved. So shoot for the stars.

 

[Darth Abyss]

[member="Tirdarius"] I feel like you don't give Nihilus enough credit. Yes he was driven by his hunger, but he wasn't simply a feral animal. His hunger wasn't his whole reason for what he did, as he was described as someone who philosophically saw the purpose of live to die. He degraded over time, sure, but with what I have in mind with Abyss the advantages and the drawbacks will be less severe compared to him. He will be consumed by his hunger for knowledge, so he simply has to find another pieces of knowledge to keep his mind intact, but he obviously won't be able to strip all live from a planet. The beauty behind this is that it simply be an amplification of Abyss current mindset, as he is already plagued by this hunger to some degree. It would make him even better at devouring knowledge, but it would also make him become even more obsessed and consumed, something that would happen to him either way. Also while he is a believer in the sith code, he had no interest in the sith as an organisation, at least not beyond being pawns on the galactic chessboard, believing in the sith path to grant him true freedom, even from the physical plain, so this transformation would be perfectly in tune with Abyss as a character and with being a sith.

[member="Nulgath Zardai"] would be up to it, but it something that certainly has to wait until Abyss hits master.

 

[Darth Prazutis]

[member="Darth Abyss"] [member="Jhett Justyce"] [member="Atheus"]

Your skipping over an entire portion of his biography there:

The future Dark Lord survived the superweapon's destruction of the surface and assumed a dark persona while grieving his losses,[2] in part as a means of survival.[7] He was trapped on the planet by the artificially-created mass shadows along with the bulk of the opposing, disabled fleets that filled space around the planet—where the Mandalorians had committed all of their forces in a last attempt at defeating the Republic—and took ill suddenly due to the shadows' effects. His emotional pain then manifested as an emptiness that swept over the man's idle body and it soon began to manifest as an intense "hunger." Without intent, he drained the life-force of another survivor. The act was an unpleasant experience for him, but the hunger and his painful memories faded for a brief moment alongside his sickness. Nonetheless, the emptiness returned more relentless and severe than before. He indulged in absorbing the energy of other survivors, but, the more he fed, the shorter the hunger was appeased and the more powerful it became.[2]

It's not as easy at it sounds to just use force drain. The Mass Shadow Generator played a crucial part in his origin story. Something sharing similar concepts would be possible but I wouldn't rip too much directly from the character. It'll diminish your own in the long run by using concepts from a star wars canon. Take your own path.

Just keep in mind here, what happened to Nihilus wasn't something he did willingly. In fact this is story of tragedy. He used the force drain to help rejuvenate his ailing body from the mass shadow generators effects, and because it took some of the painful memories away he kept doing it and destroyed who he was in the process. The concept of the character itself is he became nothing but a hungering force held together by dark side energy.

 

[Garza]

[member="Darth Prazutis"], I remember that. And I am not disagreeing with you. In fact, I agree completely with his story being a tragedy. He was just trying to become who he normally was, but was instead warped by the powers he felt would "heal" him. Much like how Vader was corrupted with how his "powers" could prevent the death of his wife and children. However, his very turning became what caused Padme to die.

Either way, the superweapon was only the start of his downfall. It was Force Drain that INCREASED his fall and aided him into becoming a literal wraith of a being. Becoming a Shadow of who he once was.

Now, lets play nice, and agree that it's possible to do a "corruption" line to become a wound within the force given enough time, and work.

 

[Darth Abyss]

yeah but it made him a wound in the force and damaged his body, the process of transferring his spirit into his armor on the other hand falls more in the territory of sith magic/alchemy ritual, as a counter measure for his state. Sion suffered a similar fate only that he kept his body together by pain and suffering from his inside to deal with that problem, in a weird kind of opposite to what Nihilus was. The fact that Nihilus transformation was a somewhat self chosen and self inflicted state is even acknowledged by others, especially darth Kryat who seeked the knowledge on how to accomplish it from Nihilus holocron.

And I don't plan to make him a second lord of hunger or anything, but Abyss is a character very fascinated by the ancient lords, that has learned every bit he could about them. That means that he has IC already acknowledged the fact that he shares some parallels to Nihilus. In his knighthood thread Ophidia put him into a state of trance where he had dark side visions, including the lord of hunger, where he understood that like Nihilus had to make his hunger, a crippling weakness, his greatest strength at the same time, so it would be plausible for him to seek out a way to recreate what happened to Nihilus.

[member="Darth Prazutis"]

 

[Lord Ajihad]

[member="Darth Abyss"]

What exactly do you want? Being a spirit tied to an object such as a mask and being a wound are two different things. If you want your spirit bound to something, I could probably do that for you (for a price). If you want mad force drain powers you could make an amulet. If you want to become a wound, then that'll take a bit more effort.

 

[Kami Meran]

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