Shaddi
King of Shawken
Given the requests for this to be a public vote to avoid alt padding the votes here it is.
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Clovis Torcularis
The Wretched Prodigal Son
I voted "Other Elaborate"
Why, this is my take:
Stories and even greater stories are written by those that want to see a bigger picture. This is my first invasion thread, but from some of the writers I spoke with this thread can turn into a blowing strike for the Sith.
With that being said, I feel we have three options!
1. Option One: Fight harder and try to expand our influence through Dominions, or at least try for skirmishes to build on story lines for members like myself that are trying to make a dfference.
2. Option 2: I've spoke with some other writers and Invasions after Invasions can become tiresome, so like option 1 I think story lined threads between members from the OS and the GA can build up to another invasion over time.
3. Option 3: If we go minor, and I'm new to this, means we are pretty much handicapped in what we can do, right? If we go minor, we can (writers/characters) pop up in other Dominions (with permission) to show that we are not gone, just rebuilding. And in time, reinvent the OS.
Why, this is my take:
Stories and even greater stories are written by those that want to see a bigger picture. This is my first invasion thread, but from some of the writers I spoke with this thread can turn into a blowing strike for the Sith.
With that being said, I feel we have three options!
1. Option One: Fight harder and try to expand our influence through Dominions, or at least try for skirmishes to build on story lines for members like myself that are trying to make a dfference.
2. Option 2: I've spoke with some other writers and Invasions after Invasions can become tiresome, so like option 1 I think story lined threads between members from the OS and the GA can build up to another invasion over time.
3. Option 3: If we go minor, and I'm new to this, means we are pretty much handicapped in what we can do, right? If we go minor, we can (writers/characters) pop up in other Dominions (with permission) to show that we are not gone, just rebuilding. And in time, reinvent the OS.
Clovis Torcularis
The Wretched Prodigal Son
Sorry, I came up with an option 4!
Option 4: If we go minor, and I would hate to see that, then we can reinvent ourselves with a new philosophy and mantra, which goes back to reinventing ourselves. Afterall, there are many theories and ideas from the Sith that can be taken and used. The Jedi have always been Jedi, but the Sith are always changing, and if people (writers) feel this faction is growing stagnant that such a vote is being proposed, then maybe it's time to change.
Option 4: If we go minor, and I would hate to see that, then we can reinvent ourselves with a new philosophy and mantra, which goes back to reinventing ourselves. Afterall, there are many theories and ideas from the Sith that can be taken and used. The Jedi have always been Jedi, but the Sith are always changing, and if people (writers) feel this faction is growing stagnant that such a vote is being proposed, then maybe it's time to change.
Grand Admiral, First Order Central Command
Now granted I'm on LOA so perhaps I'm not aware of everything going on but here's my thoughts.
Even if we lose Coruscant that makes us what, still the largest faction on the board (by size) by a significant margin, right?
I'd think it more interesting to RP out either the collapse as the galaxy unites against us (in of itself an interesting story) or how we recover from grievous loss. Going minor seems like an extreme measure.
There is merit in the idea that the One Sith become that shadowy organization. But why not both, you know? Perhaps some leadership in the OS decide to start fading into the shadows as a back up plan. So make a minor faction that will be already established if the OS at large collapses, but don't usher it in with no cause.
At least let me get my Battlecruiser subbed first.
Even if we lose Coruscant that makes us what, still the largest faction on the board (by size) by a significant margin, right?
I'd think it more interesting to RP out either the collapse as the galaxy unites against us (in of itself an interesting story) or how we recover from grievous loss. Going minor seems like an extreme measure.
There is merit in the idea that the One Sith become that shadowy organization. But why not both, you know? Perhaps some leadership in the OS decide to start fading into the shadows as a back up plan. So make a minor faction that will be already established if the OS at large collapses, but don't usher it in with no cause.
At least let me get my Battlecruiser subbed first.
Aster Jen'allé
Bio-engineered Bad queen
I feel like this is a case of stagnation of purpose. One sith have been the baddest kid on the block for so long now that people get tired of us always winning, so activity wanes, someone else rises up, and the thing is that's a good thing. I think going minor for a time gives the boards a fresh look at the state of the Galaxy, it's no longer one sith vs largest light side faction, it allows for the boards as a whole to become more interesting so that when one sith or a new version of one sith returns there is an interesting and thriving galaxy to try to take over.
Laira Darkhold
Well-Known Member
I haven't been around for a while, but I was around for a number of invasions. We all disliked how the GR doggedly clung to existence after being split in half 3-4 times. It felt like we could never win, even if only for a few weeks for them to go minor, change name and pop up as the New Republic elsewhere on the Map.
Well, my only advice, don't be that guy. We all disliked it, and it was mentioned by a former FA that "Os will have the decency to be able to tell when the time has come and fade away with some dignity." slightly paraphrased.
My suggestion, stickout an third invasion. Three strikes your out kinda deal. Maybe see about a counter attack instead of getting hammered again, and then, assess the waters, look at the writing on the wall, and do it.
If it goes the other way, figure out the new purpose. The purpose of any Sith can't be to "Exist" and a losing Sith normally tries to leave the Galaxy a little worse than it had been. For some reason, there aren't a billion rakghouls on Coruscant, no sickening disease was released into the populace. Nothing.
It has to be something more. Figure it out and drive for it. If you go Minor, still do this. Figure out the purpose and drive for it. Just know, that going minor will result in a few rebellions. This much territory won't be ignored.
Well, my only advice, don't be that guy. We all disliked it, and it was mentioned by a former FA that "Os will have the decency to be able to tell when the time has come and fade away with some dignity." slightly paraphrased.
My suggestion, stickout an third invasion. Three strikes your out kinda deal. Maybe see about a counter attack instead of getting hammered again, and then, assess the waters, look at the writing on the wall, and do it.
If it goes the other way, figure out the new purpose. The purpose of any Sith can't be to "Exist" and a losing Sith normally tries to leave the Galaxy a little worse than it had been. For some reason, there aren't a billion rakghouls on Coruscant, no sickening disease was released into the populace. Nothing.
It has to be something more. Figure it out and drive for it. If you go Minor, still do this. Figure out the purpose and drive for it. Just know, that going minor will result in a few rebellions. This much territory won't be ignored.
Sorin Vanado
Character
Personally, whatever choice we make, there has to be a driven story line for making it happen well. If we do a counter attack, build up, regroup, and then attack. If things go south on the counter, we don't lose the war. Our group might be fractured between ideas of what to do next, but dissolving based on losing shouldn't occur. That's like saying a company should split just because they lost one factory. We have a good chunk of the map. We can easily play this off as a power struggle between Sith Lords, causing a Civil War, for lack of a better way to put it. Whoever survives assesses the damage afterward: either bringing them back with renowned vigor, or do something else.
If we go minor, play it out. Disappearing completely off the map doesn't make sense with everything we have, so the dividing power of the Sith Lords means divided territory, regardless of whether there is a Civil War or not. Having Sith Lords against Sith Lords sounds like a nice idea, but that's just me =P
Other than that, I don't have much of an opinion. I haven't followed a lot of what is happening to make a more informed opinion on the subject. Just...make your decision make sense. If it doesn't sound like it would occur, then don't do it.
If we go minor, play it out. Disappearing completely off the map doesn't make sense with everything we have, so the dividing power of the Sith Lords means divided territory, regardless of whether there is a Civil War or not. Having Sith Lords against Sith Lords sounds like a nice idea, but that's just me =P
Other than that, I don't have much of an opinion. I haven't followed a lot of what is happening to make a more informed opinion on the subject. Just...make your decision make sense. If it doesn't sound like it would occur, then don't do it.
Cypher Decretum
[member="Draco Vereen"]
Missed talking to your level head.
Missed talking to your level head.
Eralam
Character
Since I'm just an ally for this one invasion, I'm not going to put a vote up. That said, it seems a bit premature to talk about going minor. Even if your territory gets split in half with this invasion, you'll still control one of the largest chunks of space on the map. The OS has also, traditionally, been able to muster up more competent fighters than anyone else. Things have been kinda shaky the last few months, but a big loss might just be what the faction needs to get everything back together.
If it doesn't work and you guys keep getting hammered, well, Draco has a point. There comes a time when one must either accept that it's time to throw in the towel. Where I would disagree with him is on the point where it's time to call it quits.
Instead of saying "we'll go minor after X" number of losses, I think you'd be better off agreeing to go minor when you've reached the point where it's no longer fun. It's arguable that the Republic hit that point well before they started losing significant amounts of territory. By the time Contruum and Balmorra rolled around, they had already spent a lot of time getting their teeth kicked in. Much of their leadership was almost pathologically opposed to the idea of losing, and that poisoned the well for a lot of their writers. The OS attitude at the time did nothing to help the situation; the growing frustration with the Republic for refusing to lay down and die, along with a superiority complex worthy of an ancient Greek play combined with the Republic's antagonistic feelings to create a perfect avalanche of bad feelings that made things supremely unfun for everyone.
No one person or faction was completely at fault, nor was anyone blameless. For what it's worth, both sides seem to have purged their toxic elements, and the Republic seems to be having a pretty good time writing out being on the back foot.
As far as the One Sith goes, I have no idea when you'll reach the point of no fun. It might be after three losses. It might be after ten. You might go on to win the next hundred battles and decide that it's just boring. Who knows?
So long as there's a story to be had and people are having fun, the One Sith's existence as a major faction is justified, even if only to its members. And at the end of the day, they're the only people that get a vote. Just remember to keep letting them have a vote, and if they vote to say "kark it all," start karking.
If it doesn't work and you guys keep getting hammered, well, Draco has a point. There comes a time when one must either accept that it's time to throw in the towel. Where I would disagree with him is on the point where it's time to call it quits.
Instead of saying "we'll go minor after X" number of losses, I think you'd be better off agreeing to go minor when you've reached the point where it's no longer fun. It's arguable that the Republic hit that point well before they started losing significant amounts of territory. By the time Contruum and Balmorra rolled around, they had already spent a lot of time getting their teeth kicked in. Much of their leadership was almost pathologically opposed to the idea of losing, and that poisoned the well for a lot of their writers. The OS attitude at the time did nothing to help the situation; the growing frustration with the Republic for refusing to lay down and die, along with a superiority complex worthy of an ancient Greek play combined with the Republic's antagonistic feelings to create a perfect avalanche of bad feelings that made things supremely unfun for everyone.
No one person or faction was completely at fault, nor was anyone blameless. For what it's worth, both sides seem to have purged their toxic elements, and the Republic seems to be having a pretty good time writing out being on the back foot.
As far as the One Sith goes, I have no idea when you'll reach the point of no fun. It might be after three losses. It might be after ten. You might go on to win the next hundred battles and decide that it's just boring. Who knows?
So long as there's a story to be had and people are having fun, the One Sith's existence as a major faction is justified, even if only to its members. And at the end of the day, they're the only people that get a vote. Just remember to keep letting them have a vote, and if they vote to say "kark it all," start karking.
Jake Daniels
Archduke of Dantella IV
I am newish to One Sith. I'm biting my tongue about the Coruscant thread and worry that a Roleplay Judge will grant a GA win when neither side should be declared a winner due to the lack of an overall story. Let's be honest; the biggest issue with invasions, takeovers, etc is it always comes down to pvp (even when its supposed to be on overall story) everything is about pvp. That is what I noticed when I first joined Star Wars Chaos in April. Everything seems to always come down to whoever can win a fight. Now what exactly is my point in bringing this up?
I'm a professional writer. I write urban fantasy (vampires, werewolves, shifters, fae, witches, warlocks, etc.) for a living. I plan, plan, plan my books before I start writing. That's what I need as a writer. A plan. For Jake Daniels, I need the same for him. Whatever One Sith decides, I need to know what the actual in-character plan is. I don't want one of these "it's decided on Sunday we will minor, monday its declared, and tuesday its business as usual and like nothing actually happened."
If we go minor, why? What caused the sudden downsizing from an in-character perspective. if we stay major, then what are we doing as One Sith? How do we respond to the constant attacks by those war mongering Jedi-hypocrites and why are we going to hit specific targets?
I'd also like to see a house cleaning of sorts, perhaps a faction rule? Be active in some capacity on a weekly or monthly basis so we know you still want to be a part of One Sith. Nothing sucks worse than reading an invasion that has nearly a dozen high level Jedi Masters/Marshalls rushing towards one location while all that stands in their way is a Sith Lord, a Knight, and an Acolyte. Where are the others? If people want to plant their characters in One Sith, who am I to say no? I'm a nobody. However I'd like to see more activity from more people whether it be in the invasions or in the faction forums?
Hell thats why I am in the Coruscant Invasion, thats why I am getting my feet wet with training acolytes, and asking for training. I want to be a productive member of this faction but I'd love to see more of those.. 500+ members... do the same?
I know I was long winded and kinda ranty. I do apologize. I honestly meant no disrespect to anyone.
If you take one thing out of this I guess I'll just say whatever is decided I will support. I truly will. The only thing I ask in return is that its thought out and planned accordingly. Whatever that plan is, I can have Jake roll with, just so long as I, as a writer, know the faction my character is in, is prepared for whatever they decide on.
I'm a professional writer. I write urban fantasy (vampires, werewolves, shifters, fae, witches, warlocks, etc.) for a living. I plan, plan, plan my books before I start writing. That's what I need as a writer. A plan. For Jake Daniels, I need the same for him. Whatever One Sith decides, I need to know what the actual in-character plan is. I don't want one of these "it's decided on Sunday we will minor, monday its declared, and tuesday its business as usual and like nothing actually happened."
If we go minor, why? What caused the sudden downsizing from an in-character perspective. if we stay major, then what are we doing as One Sith? How do we respond to the constant attacks by those war mongering Jedi-hypocrites and why are we going to hit specific targets?
I'd also like to see a house cleaning of sorts, perhaps a faction rule? Be active in some capacity on a weekly or monthly basis so we know you still want to be a part of One Sith. Nothing sucks worse than reading an invasion that has nearly a dozen high level Jedi Masters/Marshalls rushing towards one location while all that stands in their way is a Sith Lord, a Knight, and an Acolyte. Where are the others? If people want to plant their characters in One Sith, who am I to say no? I'm a nobody. However I'd like to see more activity from more people whether it be in the invasions or in the faction forums?
Hell thats why I am in the Coruscant Invasion, thats why I am getting my feet wet with training acolytes, and asking for training. I want to be a productive member of this faction but I'd love to see more of those.. 500+ members... do the same?
I know I was long winded and kinda ranty. I do apologize. I honestly meant no disrespect to anyone.
If you take one thing out of this I guess I'll just say whatever is decided I will support. I truly will. The only thing I ask in return is that its thought out and planned accordingly. Whatever that plan is, I can have Jake roll with, just so long as I, as a writer, know the faction my character is in, is prepared for whatever they decide on.
tl;dr
I haven't been active in this faction, simply because I didn't see where my baby force sensitive noble could do anything here. With that said, however; I feel like if the OS does lose to the GA, then relocate to the backyard somewhere. OS territory is the biggest thing you've got and rebuild from there. Collectively rebuild our forces, figure out where you want to go from here.
Honestly, my story with Valessia puts her back home on Brentaal IV so she could easily come to speak with someone in OS and help the OS recruit ICly, and rework the lines of trade and commerce and get some stories going that way for those who aren't force sensitive, to do a few things and contribute.
Once you've rebuilt, go back and hit the GA! Cut off one of their tendrils and hold it, as [member="Jake Daniels"]. They're hypocritical Jedi, I'm sure someone in the OS can use that to their advantage. Do a dominion or two, and get things going again.
Also, not a fan of invasions - I participated in one recently, did not like it one bit. So definitely, pull back, get some good arcs going. Clean house if necessary and work on OS doing OS things.
I haven't been active in this faction, simply because I didn't see where my baby force sensitive noble could do anything here. With that said, however; I feel like if the OS does lose to the GA, then relocate to the backyard somewhere. OS territory is the biggest thing you've got and rebuild from there. Collectively rebuild our forces, figure out where you want to go from here.
Honestly, my story with Valessia puts her back home on Brentaal IV so she could easily come to speak with someone in OS and help the OS recruit ICly, and rework the lines of trade and commerce and get some stories going that way for those who aren't force sensitive, to do a few things and contribute.
Once you've rebuilt, go back and hit the GA! Cut off one of their tendrils and hold it, as [member="Jake Daniels"]. They're hypocritical Jedi, I'm sure someone in the OS can use that to their advantage. Do a dominion or two, and get things going again.
Also, not a fan of invasions - I participated in one recently, did not like it one bit. So definitely, pull back, get some good arcs going. Clean house if necessary and work on OS doing OS things.
Success or Death.
I agree with Draco in some regards.
My biggest fear is for the One Sith, which we have invested so many hours in, should become that faction, the one that you just don't want to deal with. We're not there, but we could end up going down a similar path if we don't realise that there is an end.
Yet
I am not about to give up on our fight just yet. Rolling over at the first blowback is not the way we should go down. We should be mindful of the end but not jump it too soon. And when it comes, I hope we can make it splendid and worthy of remembrance.
My biggest fear is for the One Sith, which we have invested so many hours in, should become that faction, the one that you just don't want to deal with. We're not there, but we could end up going down a similar path if we don't realise that there is an end.
Yet
I am not about to give up on our fight just yet. Rolling over at the first blowback is not the way we should go down. We should be mindful of the end but not jump it too soon. And when it comes, I hope we can make it splendid and worthy of remembrance.
sabrina
Well-Known Member
I am not really part of faction anymore, so I am not voting.
Though the idea you retreat to being minor faction, after two defeats is not good idea in my opinion, for what it is worth.
As you will lose new members to board, to sith triumph and possibly first order.
You lose the resources you have gained, as you will still be the biggest faction map wise.
Also these are new invasion rules you lost one, so why not see if GA will give you break after this invasion.
Then have look at why you lost and why you won, and then move on and learn from it.
That is what this faction does best, learns from mistakes in victory and defeat.
Cardia we lost, so we built a navy
We had problems hurting mandalorians, so made hand cannon, and had lessons of hurting the man in the armour.
Adapt and survive, that is what sith do, so go and do it.
Though the idea you retreat to being minor faction, after two defeats is not good idea in my opinion, for what it is worth.
As you will lose new members to board, to sith triumph and possibly first order.
You lose the resources you have gained, as you will still be the biggest faction map wise.
Also these are new invasion rules you lost one, so why not see if GA will give you break after this invasion.
Then have look at why you lost and why you won, and then move on and learn from it.
That is what this faction does best, learns from mistakes in victory and defeat.
Cardia we lost, so we built a navy
We had problems hurting mandalorians, so made hand cannon, and had lessons of hurting the man in the armour.
Adapt and survive, that is what sith do, so go and do it.
Shaddi
King of Shawken
[member="Darth Ophidia"] [member="Valessia Brentioch"] [member="Jake Daniels"] [member="Eralam"] [member="Sorin Vanado"] [member="Draco Vereen"] [member="Jareth Johnathon Holst"] [member="Cyrus Tregessar"] [member="Clovis Torcularis"]
Thank you all, some of you brought up excellent points and I actually voted myself in this poll to fight back even harder. Now I feel I should explain why I put up this vote in the first place because I don't want all of you to think my intention is to be an FO that is considered a sore loser. Far from it actually, the reason I put up the vote was due to the alarming voices that were outspoken about going minor when I had asked for everyone's opinion of what direction we should all go towards. I believe we should conduct several doms to expand further north and into that large open space that we have available right there for the taking.
I have already negotiated for a month long truce with the GA to give us a little levy from them and for us to consolidate ourselves better. Now there is something here that really struck with me when reading many of your responses to this vote. That something is house cleaning, I have noticed that our sith lord population is severely lacking as most of our members are knights and acolytes and many of those lords we do have are fairly inactive. I also know that some of those are deserting.
In the week to come I will put in another vote whose entire list will be decided on by the faction itself. Details will be made when that vote comes up but as it stands I feel we should keep fighting, expanding, growing and learning as individuals and writers in this faction. It's helped me immensely as a roleplayer and writer and I care for this faction but just because I'm the FO it doesn't give me the right to take this boat and steer it wherever I want it to go.
Thank you all, some of you brought up excellent points and I actually voted myself in this poll to fight back even harder. Now I feel I should explain why I put up this vote in the first place because I don't want all of you to think my intention is to be an FO that is considered a sore loser. Far from it actually, the reason I put up the vote was due to the alarming voices that were outspoken about going minor when I had asked for everyone's opinion of what direction we should all go towards. I believe we should conduct several doms to expand further north and into that large open space that we have available right there for the taking.
I have already negotiated for a month long truce with the GA to give us a little levy from them and for us to consolidate ourselves better. Now there is something here that really struck with me when reading many of your responses to this vote. That something is house cleaning, I have noticed that our sith lord population is severely lacking as most of our members are knights and acolytes and many of those lords we do have are fairly inactive. I also know that some of those are deserting.
In the week to come I will put in another vote whose entire list will be decided on by the faction itself. Details will be made when that vote comes up but as it stands I feel we should keep fighting, expanding, growing and learning as individuals and writers in this faction. It's helped me immensely as a roleplayer and writer and I care for this faction but just because I'm the FO it doesn't give me the right to take this boat and steer it wherever I want it to go.
[member="Darth Erebos"]
May I be so bold as to suggest, in the event that we lose Coruscant to take a T3 Dom of Ilum's hex and relocate at some point to there. Anselm is a little too forward facing toward the Mando Clans/Empire. Ilum is behind it and would afford us to shore up defenses and recoup our losses (should this be the case). If we hold the GA at bay, it might still be a good idea to take Ilum and prepare its hex for our imminent arrival. Just a thought
Edit: Also there seems to be a lack of the name 'Empire' as in Galactic Empire I believe this faction once held that title but listen, no bloody one, no bloody galactic and no bloody sith just, 'The Empire.' If the Pubs are back with a senate and such, then why not be back with an Emperor and the 'Dark Council.' // Still new, so don't mind me! (I'm still a pleb).
May I be so bold as to suggest, in the event that we lose Coruscant to take a T3 Dom of Ilum's hex and relocate at some point to there. Anselm is a little too forward facing toward the Mando Clans/Empire. Ilum is behind it and would afford us to shore up defenses and recoup our losses (should this be the case). If we hold the GA at bay, it might still be a good idea to take Ilum and prepare its hex for our imminent arrival. Just a thought
Edit: Also there seems to be a lack of the name 'Empire' as in Galactic Empire I believe this faction once held that title but listen, no bloody one, no bloody galactic and no bloody sith just, 'The Empire.'
If the Pubs are back with a senate and such, then why not be back with an Emperor and the 'Dark Council.' // Still new, so don't mind me! (I'm still a pleb).Shaddi
King of Shawken
[member="Valessia Brentioch"]
We took the npc emperor away and replaced him with the dark council to make it so that there wasn't some omnipresent npc that could be killed and actually has been killed two or three times. A dark council comprised of players not only affords tangible places for players to aim for but also gives of a present leadership that can be relied upon for said leadership. However if the coruscant invasion succeeds on the GA's front or if we manage to push them back we could reconstitute ourselves into The Empire ruled by the dark council much like the old republic game after the emperors death.
Expanding towards the north and spreading out into the large open area as well as take Illum not only for it's cultural and crystal assets but for it's strategic location which will allow us to turn it into a heavily fortified naval base with mobile drydocks in orbit for ship production. As it stands I believe we should consider such options, The One sith has grown stagnant and stale due to it's history and the past few months, We need to reform, we need to grow and become better as a faction.
We took the npc emperor away and replaced him with the dark council to make it so that there wasn't some omnipresent npc that could be killed and actually has been killed two or three times. A dark council comprised of players not only affords tangible places for players to aim for but also gives of a present leadership that can be relied upon for said leadership. However if the coruscant invasion succeeds on the GA's front or if we manage to push them back we could reconstitute ourselves into The Empire ruled by the dark council much like the old republic game after the emperors death.
Expanding towards the north and spreading out into the large open area as well as take Illum not only for it's cultural and crystal assets but for it's strategic location which will allow us to turn it into a heavily fortified naval base with mobile drydocks in orbit for ship production. As it stands I believe we should consider such options, The One sith has grown stagnant and stale due to it's history and the past few months, We need to reform, we need to grow and become better as a faction.
Success or Death.
I am all for taking Ilum, but please do not make that our capitol. It is not an easily habitable planet which makes for many issues IC.
[member="Darth Erebos"]
[member="Darth Erebos"]
[member="Darth Ophidia"] [member="Darth Erebos"], if we T3 Dom the hex we could put our capital anywhere in the hex, and yeah I think something like a Dark Council would be awesome for players to put in as a goal since some if not most of us have some sort of familiarity with it from SWTOR. I can see Anselm being a temporary HQ until the dust settles, though, if that helps. Anyway, *sits in the stands with her Imperial uniform cheering for the Sith against the Alliance.*
Shaddi
King of Shawken
[member="Darth Ophidia"] I meant to make Ilum a fortress world and a naval base capable of producing ships.
The First Daughter
[member="Darth Erebos"]
Ilum would be a poor choice for a shipyard world, aim for Copero in Chiss space for that project. It was the original One Sith major shipyard before the Netherworld Event but was never retaken for some odd reason.
Ilum would be a poor choice for a shipyard world, aim for Copero in Chiss space for that project. It was the original One Sith major shipyard before the Netherworld Event but was never retaken for some odd reason.
