Podrace [OOC Coordination] Calling All Daredevils & Gamblers! || Starship Race & Sabacc

[Aerin Denno]

Greetings, daredevils, gamblers, scoundrels, and vagrants! This is the OOC coordination thread for Calling All Daredevils & Gamblers! || Starship Race & Sabacc. Please feel free to use this thread to link up with partners, discuss your posts/rolls, ask questions, etc.

Good luck out there!

Thread can be found here!​

 

[Dani Stellaris]

Zoom race!

 

[Spek Zhio]

For some reason I didn't get the tag notification for the main thread. Weird.

I'll try to get a post up by tomorrow. Up for joining forces with someone for added shenanigans. Let me know if anyone's interested.

 

[Sor-Jan Skywalker]

Posted to obj 1! Excited to race

 

[Pal Veda]

Give me your credits, you degenerates.

 

[Mars Raynor]

Aerin Denno - For the sabacc game - is it three rounds EXCLUDING the initial hand post, or inclusive of?

Tagging the other players for posterity Pal Veda Rissk

 

[Pal Veda]

Mars Raynor this is going to be interesting. I believe you have an initial hand, then it goes three rounds after that. But I am still learning the rules as I go. I’ll let Aerin Denno chime in with the official word because he put a lot of thought into the game design and I am sure has a solid answer.

 

[Aerin Denno]

For the sabacc game - is it three rounds EXCLUDING the initial hand post, or inclusive of?

That's correct! Each players gets a starting hand, then takes three turns each of either drawing (rolling) or standing

 

[Pal Veda]

Yeah so Mars Raynor we will let Rissk get his hand, then you will roll one and decide to discard either your new card or one of your held cards. The downside is that you can’t see the roll until after you post, so your action as to which card to discard won’t take place until the next turn.

Also the downside is we can all see each others cards. So for OOC purposes, I think a standard OOC ante at the beginning of each hand makes sense, and we can write it out IC wise as if we don’t know what our opponent is holding. Like if I end up with a 6-3, I will fold IC-wise. If I end up with a 2-2, I will almost certainly stay in IC-wise, even if I know OOC you have a 1-1, because I don’t know that IC. Does all of that make sense? We can basically bet however makes sense from our character’s perspective, writing our characters bluffing or giving off tells, with the same OOC repercussions regardless of what happens.

The question is whether we place an IC bet in between each round. Like after Rissk posts to get his cards, do you place an IC bet your next move? I think so. Basically, in each of our second posts, we all start off by deciding whether to place a bet based on our starting cards while also rolling for our next card. Then in the third post, we act on our first round draw (roll from second post), place a bet based on the first round draw, and roll for our second round draw to be acted on in the next post. Am I making sense at all on this?

I am fine with a 1000 UC wager on each hand as you suggested, but also fine if we just want to roll with the loot table. It may just be the three of us at our table, so we will see if Rissk is on board with that alternative.

 

[Mars Raynor]

Yeah so Mars Raynor we will let Rissk get his hand, then you will roll one and decide to discard either your new card or one of your held cards. The downside is that you can’t see the roll until after you post, so your action as to which card to discard won’t take place until the next turn.

Also the downside is we can all see each others cards. So for OOC purposes, I think a standard OOC ante at the beginning of each hand makes sense, and we can write it out IC wise as if we don’t know what our opponent is holding. Like if I end up with a 6-3, I will fold IC-wise. If I end up with a 2-2, I will almost certainly stay in IC-wise, even if I know OOC you have a 1-1, because I don’t know that IC. Does all of that make sense? We can basically bet however makes sense from our character’s perspective, writing our characters bluffing or giving off tells, with the same OOC repercussions regardless of what happens.

The question is whether we place an IC bet in between each round. Like after Rissk posts to get his cards, do you place an IC bet your next move? I think so. Basically, in each of our second posts, we all start off by deciding whether to place a bet based on our starting cards while also rolling for our next card. Then in the third post, we act on our first round draw (roll from second post), place a bet based on the first round draw, and roll for our second round draw to be acted on in the next post. Am I making sense at all on this?

I am fine with a 1000 UC wager on each hand as you suggested, but also fine if we just want to roll with the loot table. It may just be the three of us at our table, so we will see if Rissk is on board with that alternative.

The not seeing your roll until after posting really is tough. I guess easiest is to write some prose, roll and post, then go back and edit the post with your stand or swap action. Maybe thats the simplest way to go about it? And I’m fine with the poker approach of rising the wager each round as an option, other than stand.

 

[Spek Zhio]

Also the downside is we can all see each others cards.

What about this? Since most card games have a dealer, and Kessel Sabacc - as seen on Outlaws - has face-up discard/draw piles, it could made sense for Aerin Denno to act as NPC Dealer. They could use whatever method they'd prefer to randomize what's in each face down pile, and what goes in each player's starter hand. They could then send the starter hand to each participant via DM. And on your posts - or before, through DMs - you would pick a pile to draw from and, if it's a face down one, they would tell what that card was. So your hand always stay on the DMs.

That way the dealer would always know what each player has, so no cheating is possible. And the players would only know their hands and what's been discarded, like in Outlaws. Of course this requires much more work from the OP.

Just a thought, probably for a future game. Hope no one's offended.

<trying this roll thingie while I'm at it>

 

[Pal Veda]

What about this? Since most card games have a dealer, and Kessel Sabacc - as seen on Outlaws - has face-up discard/draw piles, it could made sense for Aerin Denno to act as NPC Dealer. They could use whatever method they'd prefer to randomize what's in each face down pile, and what goes in each player's starter hand. They could then send the starter hand to each participant via DM. And on your posts - or before, through DMs - you would pick a pile to draw from and, if it's a face down one, they would tell what that card was. So your hand always stay on the DMs.

That way the dealer would always know what each player has, so no cheating is possible. And the players would only know their hands and what's been discarded, like in Outlaws. Of course this requires much more work from the OP.

Just a thought, probably for a future game. Hope no one's offended.

<trying this roll thingie while I'm at it>

I don’t dislike the idea, but it puts a ton of work on Patt to run everything behind the scenes and introduces one more person into the equation to wait on between posts. That would definitely be a good way to do it if we were in a chat room running this as a fast paced game. I think it just kind of clogs things up when we’re doing it message board style.

 

[Pal Veda]

The not seeing your roll until after posting really is tough. I guess easiest is to write some prose, roll and post, then go back and edit the post with your stand or swap action. Maybe thats the simplest way to go about it? And I’m fine with the poker approach of rising the wager each round as an option, other than stand.

I’m fine with the writing everything out, then going back and editing to make your discard decision. That may make more sense and keep it moving faster.

Also a note, we have a channel for this on the SL/LAW discord if you want to jump on there. Patt had hashed out some of this earlier since I was originally very confused as to how this would play out.

 

[Spek Zhio]

I don’t dislike the idea, but it puts a ton of work on Patt to run everything behind the scenes and introduces one more person into the equation to wait on between posts. That would definitely be a good way to do it if we were in a chat room running this as a fast paced game. I think it just kind of clogs things up when we’re doing it message board style.

Sure. I said as much. I'd still do it myself but just because I'm a glutton for punishment! Xp

Having to wait for a neutral party between every post would definitely incur some overhead. I just don't think that would be the bottleneck. But one thing is certain, the load would be tenfold for the person 'dealing' the cards.

 

[Aerin Denno]

I think the best alternative would be using this OOC thread or a dice roller on Discord for your rolls to avoid having to edit.

Doesn’t eliminate others seeing your rolls, but then again, my thought process was that if Kay can use Nix every round to know each player’s hand, then it’s probably okay for us to see the roll results - even armed with that information, if I have a sabacc in hand, I wouldn’t risk breaking it.

Just no way to keep them secret without a DM, which I don’t mind doing, but idk if that stipulation would hinder others from trying to play - especially if you’re like me and have 1v1 sabacc threads

 

[Pal Veda]

I am fine with knowing things OOC as long as we keep it real IC. The primary goal is to have fun, so I’ll write my posts as if Pal is playing his cards and the room, allowing others to write potential tells or things he would pick up on, but without the OOC info I have of knowing if they can beat me or not.

 

[Spek Zhio]

I don't have a horse in the race since I'm going for a different objective, but I agree with the sentiment.

There's plenty of games out there, in here the most important goal is to write a good story. Winning/losing is secondary and only impacts your character as much as you want it to.

 

[Pal Veda]

Mars Raynor how did you edit while maintaining your roll? I rolled a 1, but when I went to edit the post, the roll disappeared.