Republic Articles

[Jack Sheltrak]

http://starwarsrp.net/topic/16820-republic-articles/

The articles for the Republic have passed and now we have some clear lines and ideas of what is needed. Some quick announcements that should be known in case there are any ideas. There is no sith senate seat, the war crimes propaganda has been defined from the Oprah level it was handed out in the previous administration.

At this moment all "war criminals" that were labeled previously with the exception of those who do wage war against the Republic, aid the enemies of the Republic and or have ordered the genocide of a species to make stuffed animals are pardoned if they require it. The motion for unlimited pardons to foster allies of the Republic passed as well.

The senators who have not gotten onto a committee or board outside of just representing their planet please come and see me as with the shift towards doing more things outside of making bills or trying to pass constant laws. You will now have different jobs as explained in the opening.

In the days to come the senate will be getting some reworkings to make it run smoother, make the constant bickering that can come, the infiltrators who only make senators to try and undermine the Republic and the ones who are only in it for themselves instead of the faction. It will be working towards having less an emphasis on just bill after bill that doesn't do more then serve a planet few go to.

Working closely with our jedi allies is the best way to move forward and for the ones who just want to live in the past and talk about old issues... Have fun and maybe next election you will change the Republic back to however you think it should run. For now we are moving forward towards the return of good times and fun. Selena is whipping the jedi into shape so I'll work on the senate and politics of the Republic.

Now enjoy your night/day whatever and jump into the event cause participation goes a long way, your hard work goes a long way and all senators are welcome on Valan. Your diplomatic skills can prove useful in making talks with the locals.

 

[Jack Sheltrak]

Hello peoples and listen up, with the recent way things are going. Your success at Valan, the fighting of the Black Suns, the passing of the articles to help move the faction forward there are a few other things. Both ooc and ic that need to be laid out so bare with me.

Behind the scenes your leadership is working to make the faction better this comes i the form of giving more power to the people. Some decision will no longer just be to a few such as proposed bills or some small things. Your factions owner and admins will still have the decisions to make but there will be more chances for input from all of you. If you have an idea pm one of us or talk with us on skype we are here for you to make sure this faction runs smoothly. Votes of no confidence in the chancellor are not going to be handled who they were where one mistake is all someone needs. Keep in mind that mistakes can be made it is the severity of the mistake that has to be taken into account. If you have an issue bring it up to us here, in pm or on skype but we prefer pms for private talks. If and when such a vote comes to pass you must give instances with cited proof of and reason for it. No more "they did this and I disagree" nonsense. All members of the faction regardless of senate status have a say in leadership issues. You can be a random senator from here or there you don't need anything really.

Selena and Daella will be force lighting the senate with Carn Dista, the invasion of the Black suns is bringing to light some interesting things but we shall have to see how it goes. As has been said our enemy is the sith empire. Everyone else can either help or stay out of our way as we go after them and work to quell their blight upon the galaxy. The sith senate seat has been destroyed having it there was idiotic and a foolish notion. We sent it into a black hole after the entire republic gave a one fingered salute. We have sent out members to meet with faction leaders and they are being told the same. Either help us or stay out of our way and do not aid the enemies of the Republic. Once the business on Nar Shadda is handled we shall being moving towards taking the sith on once again. If they argue about the treaty inform them that was dissolved the minute they broke the senate building. There is no treaty with the sith, they are to be detained, processed and or killed on sight within Republic space. The same goes for all enemies of the Republic.

Now from a behind the scenes perspective... I will speak honestly. I didn't want to comes back into this position. I didn't want to be faction admin but I am here to help the Republic by any and all means. I want to make us run smoothly so we are going to adopt a slightly new policy. Nothing to major just if you have a good idea and bring it to us, a way to help the faction that is for the faction and not just in your own self interests. We aren't going to change our ship makers from Kuat and Baktoid to Sirella and Subach on a whim. We aren't going to do something that only helps one character and in terms of whinging and complaining. If you have a legit complaint bring it to us and we'll work on it or try to get to the root of the problem. If your entire feeling is because your ego got bruised for losing then STFU and go sit in the corner sulking. We are a faction and as a faction the decision was made try again next time. So if you have an idea, something that can benefit the jedi, something that can help get people for the Republic then please come to us and let us hear it.

Some small additional notes, you are all doing amazingly in the Valan event and the dominion campaign is looking awesome. The fleeting event there was a few hiccups but once we got our people into something of a group sit down they started really working together. Teamwork and dedication is the key here peoples. That you've basically saturated two fleets that rushed ahead with your allies and created a wonderfully destructive screen of anti starfighter flak. Well remain active and what happened at Yaga won't happen here. Namely attacking while everyone is on LOA and using it to stack the advantage. Your already showing for team work then our enemies by just acknowledging each other and rping more then your movements. We'll either win that ship or get the goods and jump away with a grin on our faces as it blows up cause hey asset denial is still a great plan.

Oh and another note about the senate. After much discussion and debate among the faction admins and owner. The leadership of the republic side has limited the senates power. Bill making and proposing will now have limits and require some rp dev threads to create. You won't be able to just make a bill and post it. The guidelines will be much like the factory. A completed dev thread for the bill, using the standard template and make sure all issues are addressed. It will then be taken to the faction for a vote as all members of the republic get a say and just like in the factory bills can be denied their topics locked if the dev thread is weak (at the least 4 senators and 40 posts) or it is just outside the news of not being self serving and or a detriment to the Republic.

If there is anythign else I missed please do say so if not and you wait nearly a week to bring us questions or issues we might have moved on.

 

[Alan]

Spoiler

aw yeah

 

[Onrai]

but there will be more chances for input from all of you.

The leadership of the republic side has limited the senates power. Bill making and proposing will now have limits and require some rp dev threads to create. You won't be able to just make a bill and post it. The guidelines will be much like the factory. A completed dev thread for the bill, using the standard template and make sure all issues are addressed. It will then be taken to the faction for a vote as all members of the republic get a say and just like in the factory bills can be denied their topics locked if the dev thread is weak (at the least 4 senators and 40 posts) or it is just outside the news of not being self serving and or a detriment to the Republic.

I'm of the opinion these seem particularly contraproductive. For OOC input to matter IC so far as altering the Republic goes, it has to be presented as such. By limiting the ability of a member to IC submit a bill showing his piece with red tape and more bureaucracy, you're effectively neutering anyone in the legislative branch and strengthening your own position in the executive branch.

Selena and Daella will be force lighting the senate with Carn Dista

Shouldn't you be asking for the Senators' permission before doing this? Attempting to shove such a thing through with executive power, without so much as consulting the senators on this issue, seems to again be an attempt to enforce the superiority of the executive over the legislative.

If your entire feeling is because your ego got bruised for losing then STFU and go sit in the corner sulking. We are a faction and as a faction the decision was made try again next time.

This seems to be something that could potentially alienate potential members. Attempting to be exceptionally blunt won't give members a reason to join anytime soon.

Just my opinion.

 

[Selena Halcyon]

I'm of the opinion these seem particularly contraproductive. For OOC input to matter IC so far as altering the Republic goes, it has to be presented as such. By limiting the ability of a member to IC submit a bill showing his piece with red tape and more bureaucracy, you're effectively neutering anyone in the legislative branch and strengthening your own position in the executive branch.

I think you missed the bit about how there will be a sort of Development thread. And yes, we are to some extent neutering the legislative branch to an extent. We are doing so by making it more realistic. The reality is that bills, important ones, do not just appear in a legislative house and get voted on. Negotiations are made. Discussions. Things get stalled, tabled. There is much more to it. Also, the reality is that the effort is to also put an end to the OOC nonsense where people jump in with senators who rarely post to get in on bills thare motivated barely by in character reasons.

Yes, an element of this is control. But it has little to do with putting it into any individuals hands. It is about keeping the faction as a whole more stable and less volatile with excessive, nonsensical bills that serve little purpose. The control is making sure the faction is stable. Not the leadership.

Shouldn't you be asking for the Senators' permission before doing this? Attempting to shove such a thing through with executive power, without so much as consulting the senators on this issue, seems to again be an attempt to enforce the superiority of the executive over the legislative.

No need to ask permission. If darksiders are considered enemies of the state then checks would be put in place to prevent them from getting into the government. Honestly, this should have happened after Moridin was found, and regularly afterwards. This has nothing to do with establishing power in the "executive branch" (which is isn't executive) but with establishing internal IC security.

This seems to be something that could potentially alienate potential members. Attempting to be exceptionally blunt won't give members a reason to join anytime soon.

Aye, the wording is harsh. I would not have articulated in that way. But the point is more to say that we cannot necessarily cater to every complaint. Not everyone can be happy. We are willing to work with most anyone, but our primary interest is in the faction, and as such the members should be as well. If it is something that is not all that important to the faction on a broader level and is just a complaint about someone not getting their way because they want it then we cannot really do much. We aren't interested in the success of any one individual over another but instead the group as a whole. We hope to see that replicated in our members.

 

[Soeht]

I mostly agree with @[member="Selena Halcyon"] on this.

The articles stem mostly from out-of-character objectives for the following reason:

• It is very apparent that the Senate forum has become a place solely for creating in-character laws that affect the entire faction.
• The faction mostly contains Jedi, which the census indicates, as well as many military-oriented characters rather than Senators.
• Therefore, the Senators represent a minority of the faction, yet presume to dictate faction-wide in-character policy without oversight of the majority of the faction.
• There is also the issue of where people create new characters and immediately start using such characters as Senators in an attempt to control the Republic. Some of these characters are only ever used in the Senate forum on the Republic. Some of these characters are also Sith alter egos, which number is increasing each day. This is a clear conflict of interest that needs to be corrected in a productive manner. To use an example: This would be just as if I created an alter ego for Daella and had that character take the Emperor or Dark Councilor titles if such titles were available to new characters.
• The new system needs faction approval, which the election of @[member="Jack Harkness"] and the rest of the elections help build that approval. There was a vote in which the articles were accepted by the majority of the faction. Despite it being a departure from what happens in-character, this move can easily be explained as the now faction-wide vote on policy adequately simulates the fact that the Republic Senate features 2000 members of many different planets and not just a majority of Sith and crime lords.
• However, Senators still need something to role-play. One avenue is now the Ministries. Senators are also free to have political machinations and all as well as create stories for their worlds. In-character, the Senate is still the supreme legislative branch of the Republic but out-of-character the faction now decides policy as a whole rather than a few dubious alts. The dev thread idea, in my opinion, sounds fantastic as in real life and even in canon, lawmaking requires tons of interaction with your peers and making deals.

Though on the Force Light things, Dealla can certain help escort Dista and Selena, but she ain't no Mastah nor would she know Force Light.

 

[Carn Dista]

@[member="Jack Harkness"]
"Selena and Daella will be force lighting the senate with Carn Dista."

Grossly incorrect. Firstly, Force Light is for use on singular individuals by singular individuals. Secondly, as stated by Daella, she doesn't know it, nor is she a Master - as such she likely wouldn't be allowed anywhere near the technique.

Thirdly, what I proposed in chat was a wall of light, done by the entire council in order to purge any darksided taint from the senate. I don't know if you're aware, but that would take lengthy dev threads to make sure everyone is up to speed with the aforementioned force light, AND wall of light, because as far as I'm aware, Carn is the only active Jedi with the ability to do that. Don't even start me on how long the preparation to simply get everyone in the right frame of mind would take.

Also, you'll find that my original idea involved the chancellor asking for a meeting with the Jedi High Council to request something be done about worries regarding the lingering darksided taint from the recent attacks / whoevers trying to be Palpatine V2.

Rather than picking and choosing which bits you like, and then getting it wrong anyway, how about you stick to the plan put forwards and ask us to do something IC, rather than saying we're off to do whatever it is you want OOC, without first contacting the characters mentioned.



TLDR:

-Wrong technique.
-Daella wouldn't be allowed or able to do -it, or the right one.
-The right technique would take potentially months to have the council pull off.
-Please don't present false information again - especially when it's an idea I've put forwards. It's something that severely grinds my gears, and it doesn't reflect well on yourself.

 

[Selena Halcyon]

It was not solely your idea, Carn. Hate to break it to you but a batch of us talked about it some time ago. While you also came up with the same idea, others have also thought of it. I understand how that can be frustrating, but don't let it get to you because you'd be surprised how many people come up with the same thing.

 

[Josh Dragovalor]

I 'll volunteer in the Force Light/Wall Of Light (Or whatever it is now, I'm tired as all hell and reading everything didn't make it clear) situation in Daella's stead if needed. IC my Master will most likely need help from @[member="Carn Dista"] both for learning and preparation, as it's not something to take lightly, whatever we end up doing. Don't know whats going on, or what the final decision might be, but in hindsight, I'll volunteer for whatevers needed for this, because I'm personally sick of this "Sith In The Senate" nonsense.

@[member="Jentara Vel"], your right to whine about some of these things... ISN'T exactly there, yknow? XD. Come back when you're a non-Circe Infiltrator Senator. You sound like a one star baddie who's evil plans are being destroyed by that blasted hedgehog.

 

[Jack Sheltrak]

I know a wall of light would take time and preparation Carn but as Selena said it is not solely your idea. We have all suggested it. We've all wanted to do it to get rid of the darksiders in the senate and much like the one off line describing what became of the sith senate seat. There was an attempt at humor but it was close to midnight and I never said I was the funniest one. The agenda being pushed is to discourage or catch all senate infiltrators if that means waiting months ICly for the jedi to be able to wall of light, if that means heavy background and DNA tests to confirm everything we'll do it. More interesting then the original plan and now we need to move onto new business. Defense fleets for protection of the borders. Anyone got suggestions?

 

[Vulps]

The senators who have not gotten onto a committee or board outside of just representing their planet please come and see me as with the shift towards doing more things outside of making bills or trying to pass constant laws. You will now have different jobs as explained in the opening.

And where would said senators post said coming and seeing?

 

[Jack Sheltrak]

@[member="Zarro Verres"]

Make a private thread in the senate section of the faction and come meet me. Or meet @[member="Yusan Fenn"] or Hanna as they are second and third in command of the Republic.

 

[Vulps]

Very well, thank you.

 

[Kiskla Grayson-Matteo]

I 'll volunteer in the Force Light/Wall Of Light (Or whatever it is now, I'm tired as all hell and reading everything didn't make it clear) situation in Daella's stead if needed. IC my Master will most likely need help from @[member="Carn Dista"] both for learning and preparation, as it's not something to take lightly, whatever we end up doing. Don't know whats going on, or what the final decision might be, but in hindsight, I'll volunteer for whatevers needed for this, because I'm personally sick of this "Sith In The Senate" nonsense.

Thirdly, what I proposed in chat was a wall of light, done by the entire council in order to purge any darksided taint from the senate.

Wall of Light? I'll play!