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The SJO and you

Hey guys, so bear with me a second. Over the past few weeks I've had a lot of people talking to me about what they think the SJO should do. People have come to me with ideas for what we should be doing, everything from renaming and rebranding to step away from the past to the other end of the spectrum.

That did get me thinking, the rest of the board may have their opinions but the most important group, and really the only group that matters is the one right here. The writers of the SJO, and there's nothing like the start of a new year to have a discussion about moving forward.

So here are my questions, what would you personally like to see the SJO do in the new year? Do you have any thoughts about the direction of the faction, things you like, things you hate, what you'd like to see is grow and develop into. I'm all ears guys :D
 
Emberlene's Daughter, The Jedi Generalist
Well I've seen several threads like these over the years since we started and few of the suggestions usually get used or come to pass but they are always fun to try and make improvements. I'll divide mine into bullet points.

  • RENAMING THE FACTION:
This one is I don't even know. We shouldn't do that, we have a history and past yes we don't appeal to everyone but we have been one of the longest running factions on the board. We've survived throughout the years because we embraced what we are which is a place to write stories, be accepting of new members and members wanting to make an effort at a fresh start with their character without ooc drama or politics. Rebranding and renaming ourselves was done once when we joined with the Sanctum out of respect for those writers and to show it more as a union of faction.

The writers were all great people, funny and helpful but they also didn't care we worked to include and make them welcome. They left and formed their own faction and aside from Jon/Jorus and Bounce/Zak few have ever stuck or come back around. By rebranding ourselves we actually lost members and the main benefit was the Republic was on a kick of wanting to exile anyone who didn't agreewith Kiskla... this helped us since we welcomed the members. When we returned nearly two years later tot he Silver Jedi Order from being the Silver Sanctum we lost the members who didn't want to be a jedi order.

Rebranding, and ignoring or trying to get away from the past of a faction has generally failed and killed a great deal of the faction. The factions that have done it like the Old CIS who went through several name changes, the old atrisian empire that lost members when they changed. It is a ploy that doesn't work, if you truely want to rename a faction and it is key to you staying or participating then honestly you should go and make your own original faction to have it the way that you want. It is simply a tactic and thing that doesn't work on chaos since nothing is forgotten if it values the narrative you want to push.

  • THE STAFF:
I am not really certain who is on staff, honestly the only one who ever seems to be around and talk to people.. is Asaraa. Which if one person is going to have the burden of running the faction they are going to burn out. It is a burden and one of the reason why I never went for faction owner instead preferring to be admin for coci or thurion or sorel. A good admin team can take much of the stress off and can work to organize and build up what is happening within the faction. So I don't have much in this area... mostly just have a staff you can rely upon and trust. Sorel got politiced out of being the owner and run off the site because she trusted the wrong admins.

Anothe rmain thing is.... exclusion, the SJO and all groups do this we have cliques within the faction we all have it and we all do it. Those trusted writers we only want to rp with because they will respond to us or go along with us. WE all do it but staff is supposed to help the faction. If they are able to they should try and welcome new members and see what they can do, help out members for improving their capabilities of writing and rping instead of marking them off as not interesting enough to interact with. Gives a great deal of admins being unapproachable.

  • FACTION THREADS:
We don't do many of them or when we do they are parties/gatherings/welcome new member threads... but what about the members who have actually been here and looking for things to do? We have some classes sometimes which the instructors or the students stop posting into and then they flounder. We do constant parties or the few faction threads we do that are events are just a rehash of a previous one with a slight twist. It is hard to come up with original works, I know it and you know it. Everyone has done something but this faction has been around long enough that we really have done a great deal or seen certain situations crop up.

Examples of recurring faction thread scenarios
Oldy But goldy the planet is against us. THis scenario has been played several times and always on the capital of the planet with the locals somehow being incited to attack the silver jedi. USually forgotten except the times when it is needed to be used as proof that we are evil evil evil people who control the worlds. We've done it several times, we continue to do it and usually in our backyard to the point as jedi we ic;y should have had to move to respect the denizen's of said world.

Almost monthly parties, something strange and while not always terrible we have had some things develop from them.... a new party every month for new members and allies doesn't do much. they go on until the next party is posted up, welcoming new members while the older one and ones who just joined get very little to do. Yes it is great we get cool graphics but it kind of makes us seem more like a one trick pony.

So and so is darkside and now coming back... a little strange but this is a chaos staple more then just a thing fo the SJO. Someone goes darkside and we praise their decision, their story line of being bored with being a jedi because they couldn't do this or that feasibly. Then they return a few months later to mostly it being glossed over and never acknowledged. They barely show any remorse and seem to have gotten bored with being darksiders. Something that has and is supposed to have a dangerous effect on the mind.

Someone is coming after me. "Please help me, someone from my past has returned and I need to do a big thread for x then for y and finally z" except you barely get past x thread because well the situation can be resolved a lot faster by pooling the skills of the jedi participating. Get the right combination of jedi characters, rangers/soldiers/characters with equipment or skills and a problem can be handled... So why does it fall apart, because the things are prescripted and handled as only a few people or person being able to advance the plot with their actions failing to stop.

THose are a few examples of what we do, there is always more and we have played out a great deal of scenario's that are always slightly changed. We do it in doms with copy/paste objectives. It happen's making original or watering down scenario's that could be epic.... or worse exacerbating a scenario. to cause drama intentionally for story purposes and create conflict for the sake of conflict. An example for it is Antar dominion. planning and ideas were to have conflict between the ranger's... the new ranger's encountering the old rangers.. except the old rangers in legends canon barely numbered in the thousands and followed helping the jedi. THey wouldn't really be at their world because they traveled around. They changed and adapted to the world or jedi temple they were helping so conflicting views of "what a ranger is" would be as useless as jedi arguing "I'm more a symbol of virtue".

  • FACTION DIRECTION:
THis will tie into most of the stuff but direction wise I have seen the term "evolving" with the inclusion of jedi using the darkside to be cool little edgelords.... that is kind of sad. The base ideals of the jedi aren't good enough so you are the chosen one, the one who can use the darkside without consequences and without problem.... just like hundreds of others who do it or even more previously. Few play up that it is the darkside and dangerous so walk a razor's edge because you can easily fall. The je'daii barely do this and it is a constant thing in the comics and books depicting the je'daii.

We don't really do anything for new members, we welcome padawans, we offer them to have masters sometimes but there are only a few active jedi who want padawans. We lack a basic knowledgeat times, techniques of the force that a youngling would be taught before even being assigned as a padawan is rarely taught except by one or two jedi and seen as a surprise that they know techniques that were easily common knowledge.

In terms of our equipment.... we have a wonderful group that use the factory, we have ship and equipment makers, we have people who enjoy the codex. We have the talent but we also foster them competing instead of contributing with each other in the same faction. INstead of trying to get them to work together in unity, sure we've had meetings between the businesses and talks about what they can contribute but then.... it isn't given much as the projects never seem to be followed through on. The armory is a mess at times with half information and missing sections.

THE MEMBERS:
Our members continue to be a great group of people honestly they are. the one swho really want the edge and combat usually filter out after they have realized the faction prefers writing stories instead of just mindlessly attacking everyone on the map. WOrking with allies and other factions is done where we have worked on things but the nature of chaos is that the ooc dictates friends and allies so it is a constant effort to make someone happy with praise and blowing smoke they are amazing in this or that.

THankfully and sadly I stopped worrying about what someone on the internet thinks and as an admin in the faction I didn't really care about fostering allies who required we always help them without getting help from them. I am an ass, I have no illusions, I make no apoligies about that. I will be honest to most people and tell them when their acting terrible and I expect the same for myself. DOn't always get it or I'll get "the piss taken out of me" which makes no sense, does little to answer a question as it is usually done trying to shame for a previous thread. Sadly my previous threads made the character and my experiences on chaos. Why feel shame at them?

Hmm where else... we have a creative team kind of... honestly its members are great but when feedback has been given if it wasn't "this is great" then it has been heavily disregarded or nothing comes or it and you get scenario's like the current nature attacking the silver rest thread where you can undo most of the threat with two five year olds. Stereotypes and tropes exist for a reason. Pre-scripted events are also important which happens more often even though there is events to make a song and dance.

  • CONCLUSION:
I think that is all of it, I had to cut out a few parts because I am not above ranting and attacking. So I cut out a few things going into specific details or problems. I enjoy and love this faction, I want it to continue to expand, to grow and be better. I have been here since the founding of the faction... one of the few who has remained here. I will always support it and always want it to be strong but I am not above pointing out some of its flaws... it is something you should do with the things you like because can't just blindly accept everything. There are issues with the SJO but most of them are simple and not something that can be changed by rebranding and becoming something new. THat would be a waste and seems more like just wanting to have the ability to go "look my faction is big and powerful" without doing any work since inactive members can't express disappointment or leave a faction.

Alright I am about see about getting ready for work hopefully this is helpful.
 
Your faction was founded on the principle that you wanted to protect systems that the Republic and other factions could or would not do. Since that you have moved away from that concept to embrace other concepts such as studying the Force and becoming more political. You're the Chaos version of the Army of Light from my point of view. You don't have titles like Jedi Lord or General etc. but you're basically a mobilized force that protects several smaller governments and star systems that make up the bulk of your territory / space.

If you want to be fresh again and create intriguing roleplay then move back to your roots to protect people. You have a Sith Empire to the north of you that recently butchered Commenor. You have a New Republic that is being threatened from all sides. You have a Confederacy of Independent systems in the control of Sith Lords. A First Order that destroyed the Galactic Alliance. These are many justifications and reasons to mobilize. It would only take a few of you to begin and from there the rest of you will either follow or not.

You all roleplay Star Wars. Social gathering threads studying the Force, talking about philosophy, interpersonal relationships etc. are all boring. Stop being boring.
 
OK, so I know I'm not like hte biggest Silver member, but I do write a Jedi who interacts with the Silvers as best I can IC and OOC. IC that Coren support them, OOC cuz you guys are a fun group.

Matsu has a great write up there. And I won't go point for point, but I agree with a lot. Keeping a faction name, and keeping its core tenats is important so long that it keeps working and keeps things interesting. Just because a change in direction happens doesn't mean that you need to make a name change, and sometimes that can upset things. Look at my tenure during the CIS that evolved into the ACA and TU. It got messy but it was just the a new name on the same thing.

You can take a look at the faction, using this, finding what the Silvers have that works, the students, the Silver Rest, the Antarians, the Jedi, the Fleet, remove the rest, but keep the structure. If there are things that people are loving, keep that, capitalize on it, if there are things that don't have much going on? Give it a little love, see if it comes back, if not? And no one is using it? Retire it to background lore.

Now as for the members, what you need to do is find what is working, look at current factions, look at recently gone factions, look deep into the lore of Chaos. What was created, what worked, what didn't? The Silvers have always had a great internal dialogue which I love. But I also enjoy a good bit of PVP. It makes things have a bit of a stake (or steak, if its an eating contest PVP). It just has to be fun and not stressful. And with that, you can easily make scenarios to foster to all groups.

That's why dominions have objectives. You make one for Newbies, Fleeters, Duelers, Soldiers, Non-Combatants, and you assign a person or persons to 'lead' that, and they help develop the story. Its obviously needed a bit more for the Newbies, but... you get the drift.

The Silvers are currently the legacy faction for light siders. How can we approach that to bolster our numbers and stories, without taking over from where the GA left off, or the NR. Or maybe, while fostering cooperation with the GA (which was a similar organization in my mind, to the SJO) and helping the NR with dealing with outside forces. The Sith did a number on the GA and shattered them, the First Order kept coming, and still keeps coming, does the SJO want to mobilize against them? Why or why not? If yes, how? Skirmishes? Full out invasions? Joint faction threads in a cold war? Which, the cold war is boring to me, but I'm just one writer.

While Ella could have put it a bit more eloquently, there is a lot to the Silvers, don't let yourselves become boring, don't let the faction stagnant.

The Silvers are a great group, and right now the Site is at a very low sodium phase. Work with the owners of the NR, SE, FO, CIS, ORC, and whoever. Make allied threads, make skirmishes. Have fun.

I'll jump in to swing a lightsaber.
 

Sor-Jan Xantha

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I tend to agree with everything that [member="Matsu Ike"] said.

The merger with the Levantine Sanctum is what brought me into this faction, during the period in which we attempted a re-branding (Silver Sanctum Coalition). It didn't work. The Ruusan invasion was a wake-up call with regard to that, as almost all of our active posters in that invasion were Neutral-to-Dark Side (we were also the instigators of that invasion, which some people felt was going against original purpose). Bottom line, re-branding only created an identity crisis for us in the past. I was one of the voices calling for the faction to change back to the Order of the Silver Jedi and I continue to stand by all the reasons why I voted that way in the past.

Does the name cause some people to think that we're not open to NFU characters? Yes, I've heard that complaint. But we have a number of NFUs and non-traditional Jedi/Jedi Service Corps characters that I think de-bunk that as a genuine concern.

I think we just need to work on what identity we want for the faction. We're a Major Faction with an influence cloud on the map, so people want to treat us like a political power... but we've always handwaved the government side of things -- and I don't think that's a bad thing. Neither does it stop people from writing political characters, senators, kings/queens, or William Cromwell within the faction if that's what they want to do.

Which gets me to what I've always taken away as the best thing about the SJO. Within the general constraints of this being #TeamLightside, you can be anything, do anything and this faction has always supported it. The company game, the political game, fleeters, soldiers, NFUs, etc.

Just my .02 cents
 
K soooo I stepped away from the SJO because I felt ostracized. I had ideas, I wanted others to be included in those ideas. I think The SJO has potential but seems to never live up to it. in terms of staff? I agree with Asaraa seemingly being the only one active. When people who stepped away from the SJO are the ones telling you OOC what you should expect to happen IC it's an issue cause they stepped down. CLEAR leadership and a clear hierarchy should be in place. It's all story writing so my .02 worth is as follows. Prior leadership telling an active member anything concerning them IC is bogus.

The issue with as a faction being backed into a corner and not doing anything presents problems. Something that could help? Start respecting people and their ideas rather than just being like that's not what we're going for. It's an idea at least I think people steer away from invasions and such cause of drama llama. (character idea?) maybe we start training pilots? seems a lot of doms/skirmishes have been in asteroid fields recently...

I dunno that I have much to add atop what's already been said.
 
Really for me, I noticed that a lot of people don't finish roleplaying with other people in most threads. Now I understand that everyone has a life to deal with, but you still must either make sure you let the person know what going on in your life or you just continue to post to keep it moving. I feel like there are so many thread started up and never finished because the people who start the thread moves on to another one without finishing the the previous one they made. I feel like there implantation of people only allowing to make a few threads until they finish with previous one or something like that.

I also like to think that we could have random pairings where people sign up and are pair randomly with each other to roleplay. It would lead to new relationships within the faction and help the faction whole with a faction that is full of members whose know each other and can better work with each other.

As for what Ike said about the faction admins, I agree. I think there need to be more of the faction admins taking part in the roleplay.
 
When it raines... it pours.
On a side note, I would suggest streamlining and bringing this faction forum up to date. It's cluttered and has a lot of old stuff not relevant to present. i.e. faction thread tracker. This would make it more efficient and easier to find pertinent info especially for new members or those not in the Discord chat. :)
 
[member="Andorreth Vikar"] Hey, sorry you felt pushed out of the Faction. Pretty sure none of us wanted that as we try to be as inclusive as possible to other people. I don't know who shot your idea down or why but that isn't the sort of thing I see in the faction.

I think pilot training is a great idea, I know my character could use a hand and fleeting has never been a strong point of mine so any hand in learning how to fleet would be great.


So, in terms of what this is thread is all about. I would personally hate a name change, we are who we are. We've gone through a lot and have changed over the course of time yes, we shouldn't have to hide our past to show other factions that we aren't the same people.

I disagree about the Admin team with most of the people here, I think they are active, I know who they are and they are roleplaying. However, they are working in the background, I think its mostly we don't see them work but see the benefits lf their work. I have full respect for Valkren, Valae, Stephen and Thurion. However, if Asaraa does feel that they need more Admins then I'm sure they will ask people to join. I leave that up to Asaraa as its their team, so if right now it works then it works.

I also disagree with Ella, what we have right now is working fine. We don't NEED skirmishes or invasions, god, most of us never want an invasion as it can cause too much drama. We could do more Ally-based Faction threads with CIS and NR, I think mingling with other factions in a friendly manner is always fun. Skirmishes tend to fall flat in the most part, I'm not against them but ones we've had recently just lose steam quickly.

We also just got a few new writers join us and I personally feel that we should help them find their characters stories before racing off to war with other Factions. I'm also sure that if the TSE and FO want to do invasions or skirmishes with us then they will let us know.

Just my thoughts on these things.
 

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