The Topic Of Canon Companies

[Camellia Swift]

Hello members of Chaos!

So there has been some discussion going on lately in the factory over the last few days regarding canon companies. The discussion has mainly revolved around whether we should remove canon companies or leave them be with some added rules to their creation and operation. The idea basically being that Canon Companies would no longer exist, companies out there now would simply be sharing their name. This would not affect their Tier status now or their products they've made, just eliminate their ties to the actual canon company. Now setting aside the reasoning for now for why we feel we should go with either way I was asked to bring this discussion forward to the member base and get their opinions on the matter.

How does everyone feel about canon companies? Do they give an unequal opportunity for abuse compared to other companies? Are they too important? Do they fit in considering we still have canon worlds and species? Does everyone enjoy having canon companies around? Do you feel they add to the story of the site or world? Are they just there and its not really a big deal either way? What does everyone think?

Please only vote with your writer account.

 

[Ayden Cater]

[member="Camellia Swift"]

My view is that nothing needs to be done to them. There is no inherent benefit or advantage to them. The first two Tier VI companies were both companies that had been made by players, rather than canon companies.

In fact, if anything, canon companies have a cost that player-made companies don't. There's not a check-in every month for player-made companies, but there is one for canon companies. So any perceived benefit is wholly mitigated by a need to be constantly active with the company, or risk losing it to someone else.

 

[Edward Vyperion]

[member="Camellia Swift"]

Same as Ayden

 

[Siobhan Kerrigan]

I'm fine with how things are. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Speaking as someone who's co-owner of two noncanon companies.

 

[Judas of Vahl]

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

This.

 

[Captain Larraq]

[member="Camellia Swift"]

My view is that nothing needs to be done to them. There is no inherent benefit or advantage to them. The first two Tier VI companies were both companies that had been made by players, rather than canon companies.

In fact, if anything, canon companies have a cost that player-made companies don't. There's not a check-in every month for player-made companies, but there is one for canon companies. So any perceived benefit is wholly mitigated by a need to be constantly active with the company, or risk losing it to someone else.

Agreed

 

[Domino]

I'm fine with how things are. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Speaking as someone who's co-owner of two noncanon companies.

Just because it isn't broken doesn't mean we need it. Cannon companies and the check in for them are a hold-over from before we had a good system for creating our own and I think it shows that people are now making their own companies rather than claim open companies from cannon. As it is, the only reason I don't switch over to a non-cannon is because I don't want to loose the invested effort.

We've already done away with most of the cannon ships, I think it's time we did the same with companies. Converting them to name-only would free up the check-in judge and a lot of players time to do other things like focus on story rather than prepping for or reviewing a monthly check-in.

As it stands, Ayden is right. If someone misses a check-in for whatever reason, someone can snatch it up and take everything and you're S.O.L. buddy.

At least make it every other month.

 

[Cross Ikon]

The only thing I don't like about canon companies is how much tech and IC cash you need to make in order to keep them in your possession.


Other than that, let them eat cake...

 

[Corey's OOC]

I'll agree there. Having a canon company is fun. But it gets to be a lot more work. I've moved off from the company, merging it with Santhe and using the credits and development to go non canon. While companies are important t to Star Wars, we keep the flavor and make unique and new things...

Paying homage to the existing canon/legends is nice and the locales and ships and companies are great but this is AU and a lot of years in the future.

Plus new is always better.

So,
Yeah.

 

[Arrbi Betna]

Canon companies are a lot of fun for more corporate minded writers. Its challenging, and rewarding. There's literally no difference between a canon company and a non canon company aside from difficulty. Canon companies check in and require monthly activity, non canon don't. It boils down not to "does the power lie in canon companies" and more "does the power lie in the writer." Some folks grab canon companies and put them to shame, others grab em and do great. Non canon companies even outpace canon ones when it should be the other way around, so there's literally no power base there, just degrees of difficulty.

As for those who will say "well you have canon products" I say this: remove the historic ties and leave them as names only, you remove the canon history. No ties, no background. No background, no products. You can't have one without the other. If you're gonna pull canon ties from names, then why are the Mandalorians Mandalorians? Why is the Republic the Republic? Why is Coruscant the center of the galaxy? Why are the Vong biologically based and not machines called Vong?

Hopefully you see my point.

 

[Delila Castillon]

I'm fine with how things are. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Speaking as someone who's co-owner of two noncanon companies.

Agreed as owner of a noncanon company. There's no problem with folks owning canon companies and the trade-offs are much higher than those of us who make our own.

 

[Captain Larraq]

Part of the drive behind Mandal Hypernautics has been (in my mind) the competition to out-perform MandalMotors which, canonically, is a much larger and mor popular company for Mandalorians. Using the canon tie-in has been a great plot point for me and has lent a lot of structure to what I do with the company. More so, the challenge of finding the 5 or so canon items that Mandal Hypernautics makes and striving to make modern variants based on these designs has been a great deal of fun for me.

From what I can see, we lose nothing by keeping them but lose a great deal by removing them.

 

[Ellie Mors]

[member="Ayden Cater"] [member="Captain Larraq"] [member="Delila Castillon"] [member="Arrbi Betna"] [member="Marek Starchaser"] [member="Cross Ikon"] [member="Domino"] [member="Darth Arcis"] [member="Siobhan Kerrigan"] @IC-722

What [member="Camellia Swift"] forgot to mention was that there is talk about removing the company check-ins for them as well, hence the reason we wish to remove the link to canon. You may keep the name, the company that you have now, and all of its tech, but it is not the exact same company that existed 800 years prior and before the 400 years of darkness after the plague.

[member="Arrbi Betna"], the reason this is different than just going out and changing races and such (I am not sure if you are aware of this, so I am going to the effort to explain this) is because there was a plague that wiped out all relations to canon and is the basis for the no-canon crossover rule, this plague also spawned a 400 year of regression in technology and a complete loss of all records from before this time (though some has been recovered by this point). To expect a company to survive where 99% of the galaxy disappeared for 400 years from history is as ludicrous as the claim some people have of being 800 years old and never even mentioning the plague in their bios.

 

[Cross Ikon]

as ludicrous as the claim some people have of being 800 years old and never even mentioning the plague in their bios.

That's not me, right?

Right?

 

[Captain Larraq]

[member="Silara Vantai"]

I can get the logic and reasoning behind that. I really can. But 1% of an entire galaxy of culture, history, technology, and corporate greed is still a whole heck of a lot. Think about that. Earth is one planet in an entire galaxy of planets. It is less than 1/100000000000 of a percentage of the total galaxy. 1% of the galaxy surviving would leave you with hundreds of Earth-class planets completely untouched.

Then there are the real world examples. The Vatican has survived how many hundreds of years of hardship? We have myths, legends, and artifacts stretching back through thousands of years of disaster and war. God. The Chinese dynasty. Egypt. These places, cultures, histories, and power groups have survived it all. China has some of the most intact historical records EVER. I just... I can't do it justice.

The point though is pretty simple.

Life endures.

And it does so better than you'd think.






Also. People come here to play StarWars. Most of us LIKE the canon stuff (the not OP stuff anyway). Completely severing any and all ties to canonical sources would ruin a lot of fun for a lot of writers.

And why? Seriously. What gain is there in severing that tie?

 

[Arrbi Betna]

[member="Silara Vantai"]
By that logic, why do we have lightsabers? Blasters? Starships? How do we know about Jedi? Sith?

 

[Ellie Mors]

[member="Silara Vantai"]
By that logic, why do we have lightsabers? Blasters? Starships? How do we know about Jedi? Sith?

See "(though some of this has been recovered)".

 

[Ellie Mors]

[member="Silara Vantai"]

I can get the logic and reasoning behind that. I really can. But 1% of an entire galaxy of culture, history, technology, and corporate greed is still a whole heck of a lot. Think about that. Earth is one planet in an entire galaxy of planets. It is less than 1/100000000000 of a percentage of the total galaxy. 1% of the galaxy surviving would leave you with hundreds of Earth-class planets completely untouched.

Then there are the real world examples. The Vatican has survived how many hundreds of years of hardship? We have myths, legends, and artifacts stretching back through thousands of years of disaster and war. God. The Chinese dynasty. Egypt. These places, cultures, histories, and power groups have survived it all. China has some of the most intact historical records EVER. I just... I can't do it justice.

The point though is pretty simple.

Life endures.

And it does so better than you'd think.






Also. People come here to play StarWars. Most of us LIKE the canon stuff (the not OP stuff anyway). Completely severing any and all ties to canonical sources would ruin a lot of fun for a lot of writers.

And why? Seriously. What gain is there in severing that tie?

I'm not totally sure. I just wanted to clarify there would be no check-ins if done, and to inform Betna of the forum's timeline.

 

[Domino]

What [member="Camellia Swift"] forgot to mention was that there is talk about removing the company check-ins for them as well, hence the reason we wish to remove the link to canon. You may keep the name, the company that you have now, and all of its tech, but it is not the exact same company that existed 800 years prior and before the 400 years of darkness after the plague.

I would be totally cool with this, speaking as one of the few cannon company owners taking part in this discussion.