Theory: Obi Wan trained Ahsoka

[Pal Veda]

If you have not seen Star Wars Rebels through the Seige of Lothal, spoilers lie ahead.


You have been warned...

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So, I was thinking. Ahsoka showed up at the end of Rebels season 1, having been hiding behind the moniker Fulcrum throughout the rest of the season. She is older, and although we have yet to see her in combat, she seems to be wiser and stronger. She has been working with the Rebel Alliance for some unknown period, and she seems to have a close relationship with Bail Organa. Anakin/Vader apparently did not know she was alive until she and Kanan reached out to see who was flying the TIE.

This next section includes spoilers from Rebels season 2 previews, as well as Obi Wan anthology film/book rumors...

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In the previews of Rebels season 2, we see the return of Captain Rex and other clone troopers, seemingly under the command of Ahsoka. We do not know the extent of their relationship, but I think it's safe to presume it was renewed and has been sustained for some time. We also see Hondo appearing to help out, but his intentions are unclear. Ahsoka had several encounters with Hondo throughout the Clone Wars, so this is not too suspicious. How Ahsoka was reunited with Rex and co, however, is a bit more questionable.

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Now let's consider what we know about Obi Wan between Episodes 3 and 4. Almost nothing. We have seen concept art for him to appear in Rebels, but we know not in what capacity or if it will come to fruition. We know there is possibly a book/comic in the works about Obi Wan during these years. There have also been rumors of an anthology film about his life during this time.

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So who do we know that survived the Jedi genocide, had a close relationship with Ahsoka, Rex, Bail, and Hondo, and is an excellent teacher? Obi Wan Kenobi. We know he watched over Luke on Tatooine, but that's it. That planet is run by the Hutts and generally outside of Imperial control.

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So my theory is that Obi Wan and Ahsoka reunited during the Jedi purge, and he finished her training. He also connected her to Bail and/or Rex and/or Hondo and helped the Rebel Alliance get off the ground. And this could be the subject of the Obi Wan book/comic, an anthology film, or introduced through Rebels.

Any thoughts?

 

[Selena Halcyon]

Aight so here is the thing. How would she know how to find him? She left the order on her own volition to do her own thing. I expect we'll find out what exactly that was in this next season. Given that I recall hearing that that one gal who voiced the chick from Onderon is supposed to be used in this season, presumably for the same character we're going to see her involved. From the revealed segments of unfinished episodes we also know that Anakin was resentful towards Ahsoka for leaving the Order and Obi-wan was very aware of this and while I suppose Obi-wan might have still kept on communicating with her, I doubt it. They had a good relationship but they weren't master and padawan like her and Anakin.

Ahsoka was, I would hazard to say, closer to Rex than she was to Obi-wan simply by virtue of working alongside him more. So it is super reasonable that she would have kept in touch with him and not Obi-wan.

We will also be getting a comic in the official Star Wars line tomorrow that is going to tell a story about what Obi-wan was doing during that time frame. Also, we have a small korean manghwa that is considered official canon as well that tells some stories of Obi-wan watching over look and making sure he is safe.

Also! Most important thing of ALL! Ahsoka did finish her training already. She was literally made into a Knight the moment before she left the order. Yoda and Mace decided that her showing strength when she was falsely accused was her trial.

I believe why Ahsoka is helping the Rebellion get off the ground is because she was likely involved in whatever was going on with the Onderon rebellion situation. A faction which both liked the Republic but also had seceded from them in the first place. With the Empire in place I am doubtful that they would have liked that group in power and probably would have rebelled. Seeing the need for a rebellion to fight back against the tyranny of the Sith would probably be sufficient to get Ahsoka involved in forming one.

Do we really know that she has connections with Bail? I know that we know that Bail has deep roots in the Rebellion, but do we know if the group that he is involved in is also fully tied to Ahsoka? I'm not sure it matters, but if they are linked that's not enough to assume that he would give over the information of Obi-wan's whereabouts to her. After all, it was not until significantly later that he even called upon Obi-wan to help through his daughter. Ahsoka would also have no reason to talk to him about training because, once again, hers was officially concluded.

 

[Pal Veda]

[member="Selena Halcyon"]

Aight so here is the thing. How would she know how to find him? She left the order on her own volition to do her own thing. I expect we'll find out what exactly that was in this next season. Given that I recall hearing that that one gal who voiced the chick from Onderon is supposed to be used in this season, presumably for the same character we're going to see her involved. From the revealed segments of unfinished episodes we also know that Anakin was resentful towards Ahsoka for leaving the Order and Obi-wan was very aware of this and while I suppose Obi-wan might have still kept on communicating with her, I doubt it. They had a good relationship but they weren't master and padawan like her and Anakin.

The bolded is a good point. I think that they can explain this pretty easily, though, considering the coincidences in Star Wars (and most fictional universes). Ahsoka did not necessarily have to find Kenobi. He could have sought her out. I would imagine the Council would keep track of someone like Ahsoka after she left. They have a skilled Jedi, recently Knighted (as you reminded me, I had forgotten), upset with the Council and Republic, fresh off of working with Asajj Ventress. They seemed to have kept some tabs on Dooku when he left, but not enough. I would think they would have learned their lesson, thus they would have kept tabs on other Jedi leaving the order. Also, Yoda could have sought her out, at which point Yoda could have pointed her in Obi-Wan's direction.

Ahsoka was, I would hazard to say, closer to Rex than she was to Obi-wan simply by virtue of working alongside him more. So it is super reasonable that she would have kept in touch with him and not Obi-wan.

I cannot really agree with this. She did work alongside Rex a lot, but Rex was a clone trooper. He had limited emotional range, and their relationship was somewhat limited to the battlefield. I would think the Jedi have a stronger bond, and Ahsoka would be more likely to associate with Obi-Wan in social settings than with Rex, especially as Anakin's Padawan. Anakin and Obi-Wan had a very strong relationship. Even after Anakin was Knighted, he and Kenobi continued to be paired together for lots of missions throughout the Clone Wars. But, you addressed this in the first block I quoted, noting that that would be reason for Obi-Wan to stay away from Ahsoka after she left due to Anakin's animosity toward her leaving. I was unaware of those plot lines.

We will also be getting a comic in the official Star Wars line tomorrow that is going to tell a story about what Obi-wan was doing during that time frame. Also, we have a small korean manghwa that is considered official canon as well that tells some stories of Obi-wan watching over look and making sure he is safe.

A comic book would be a perfect place to explore this relationship. I don't know that this would work well as a live action film, as in the rumored Kenobi anthology film. I think that a comic book explicitly exploring this plot line and integrating it into the Rebels plotline would be the way to go.

Also! Most important thing of ALL! Ahsoka did finish her training already. She was literally made into a Knight the moment before she left the order. Yoda and Mace decided that her showing strength when she was falsely accused was her trial.

While true, this is not conclusive. I posted this over at the other board we are all familiar with, and the great Gungan General raised some good points. Star Wars is full of intertwining relationships, and people are constantly training and learning new things. Dooku was Yoda's apprentice, Qui-Gon's master, then Palpatine's apprentice. Yoda went to Dagobah to receive training from a deceased Qui-Gon. Obi-Wan continued mentoring Anakin long after he was knighted. Palpatine trained Anakin further as a Sith despite him already being a very powerful Jedi Knight. These are just kind of quick examples summarizing Ceel's comments over there. Just because Ahsoka was a Jedi Knight does not mean she would not have come to Obi-Wan for further training and/or mentoring. And, as I mentioned above (but did not occur to me in my original post), Obi-Wan could have sought Ahsoka out rather than her seeking him. He knew she would not have been killed by the clones in Order 66 because she was out of the Order. He had connections everywhere, like Dex. Obi-Wan and Ahsoka had a mutual friend/enemy in Hondo, and we see Hondo showing up with Ahsoka in the previews for Rebels season 2.

But you do raise some very good points. I'm pretty knowledgeable of the canon material, but your knowledge definitely surpasses mine, and you brought up several things I had not considered or did not know.


edit: oops, screwed the quotes up.

 

[Selena Halcyon]

He could have sought her out. I would imagine the Council would keep track of someone like Ahsoka after she left. They have a skilled Jedi, recently Knighted (as you reminded me, I had forgotten), upset with the Council and Republic, fresh off of working with Asajj Ventress. They seemed to have kept some tabs on Dooku when he left, but not enough. I would think they would have learned their lesson, thus they would have kept tabs on other Jedi leaving the order. Also, Yoda could have sought her out, at which point Yoda could have pointed her in Obi-Wan's direction.

Two things on this. Ahsoka is a fairly known commodity to the Jedi, and I imagine at some level they did not view her leaving as being a huge threat. Also, this is the same council that commissioned Quinlen Vos to work alongside Asajj Ventress in an assassination mission of Dooku (this is in the Dark Disciple book series which I just started reading). They certainly are not fans of Asajj but they are keenly aware that working alongside her is not the same thing as going darkside. Asajj is a loose canon but not a Sith. I think in an ideal world they would try and reform Asajj.

Anakin and Obi-Wan had a very strong relationship.

This does not necessitate a close relationship between Obi-wan and Ahsoka though. The only other close Jedi relationship we see Ahsoka have is with Plo Koon, who I think trained her a little in the Academy or something.

But, you addressed this in the first block I quoted, noting that that would be reason for Obi-Wan to stay away from Ahsoka after she left due to Anakin's animosity toward her leaving. I was unaware of those plot lines.

They're part of a series of stories based upon unreleased Clone Wars content. Dark Disciple as previously mentioned is one. Some things about Darth Maul were released in Son of Dathomir the only current comics not released by Marvel which are considered canon and some episodes which are far from finished. You can catch a link here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Clone_Wars_Legacy

A comic book would be a perfect place to explore this relationship. I don't know that this would work well as a live action film, as in the rumored Kenobi anthology film. I think that a comic book explicitly exploring this plot line and integrating it into the Rebels plotline would be the way to go.

Sadly the comic I was referencing was pushed till next wednesday. I'm a little bummed. I don't think there will be a Kenobi live action film. It would make zero sense to me.

Star Wars is full of intertwining relationships, and people are constantly training and learning new things.

Yes people are always learning new things. Shoot Master Yoda learns something new just before the Clone Wars. However, the key concept here is the idea of Ahsoka needing her training finished. She left the Order pretty confident in her abilities. It is obvious that she also severed ties with them and no longer was getting training. I do not see that suddenly changing with the rise of the Empire.

, Obi-Wan could have sought Ahsoka out rather than her seeking him. He knew she would not have been killed by the clones in Order 66 because she was out of the Order. He had connections everywhere, like Dex. Obi-Wan and Ahsoka had a mutual friend/enemy in Hondo, and we see Hondo showing up with Ahsoka in the previews for Rebels season 2.

I can't see Obi-wan leaving to find her. I think it is fairly obvious that he and Yoda are putting their full hope in Leia and Luke. Also the presupposition is that Hondo and Ahsoka have any ties. I think they have a fairly... hostile relationship. Not full blown but it is not like they are friends. I doubt Obi-wan would use him as an avanue to find her let alone that Hondo would even know how to find her.

 

[Pal Veda]

Two things on this. Ahsoka is a fairly known commodity to the Jedi, and I imagine at some level they did not view her leaving as being a huge threat. Also, this is the same council that commissioned Quinlen Vos to work alongside Asajj Ventress in an assassination mission of Dooku (this is in the Dark Disciple book series which I just started reading). They certainly are not fans of Asajj but they are keenly aware that working alongside her is not the same thing as going darkside. Asajj is a loose canon but not a Sith. I think in an ideal world they would try and reform Asajj.
This does not necessitate a close relationship between Obi-wan and Ahsoka though. The only other close Jedi relationship we see Ahsoka have is with Plo Koon, who I think trained her a little in the Academy or something.
They're part of a series of stories based upon unreleased Clone Wars content. Dark Disciple as previously mentioned is one. Some things about Darth Maul were released in Son of Dathomir the only current comics not released by Marvel which are considered canon and some episodes which are far from finished. You can catch a link here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Clone_Wars_Legacy

I just bought Dark Disciple, but I'm not starting it until next week. I have a bar exam Tuesday and Wednesday, so I'm having to focus on that at the moment. I am very excited to see what they do with Asajj. I really liked the character, especially the way she progressed throughout the series. I wouldn't mind seeing an Asajj/Obi-Wan team up considering the relationship their characters had. But I'm also a big fan of Quinlan Vos, and with Obi-Wan present everywhere else, it will be nice seeing more of QV. I wish he had been in more Clone Wars Episodes, but I guess that's why we have Dark Disciple. I'll track you down to discuss that once I've finished it.

 

[Selena Halcyon]

The thing that fascinates me the most about Dark Disciple is how much of Quinlan's past they are going to pull from. They kept his whole entire being able to detect the past of certain items and whatnot which we already knew from his episodes in The Clone Wars. They also seem to be keeping with the motif that he does a lot of underground work. It also seems like a decent homage to the Republic comics where he actually infiltrated Dooku's group of Dark Jedi.