Which rank tag is best for Knights of Ren?

[Wolf]

Okay, so the site competition is over and knights of Ren tags didn't get through.

Soooooo, which rank tag do you think looks best and fits the most for the Knights of Ren?

I'm currently using the general 'Apprentice' one, open to suggestions! I see others using the Sith ones, and the Dark Jedi ones.

 

[Asharad Graush]

I was told that the Ren ones weren't put in because they're too niche, since it'll only benefit a single group of people.

However, I don't believe a single set of tags works.

Personally, I think the choice should be what you view your character as / how they use their abilities.

[member="Wolf"]

 

[Wolf]

[member="Asharad Graush"]

Cool, I'm curious then, why did you choose Sith Acolyte, and how do you view your character in this regard?

 

[Samka Derith]

I decided on Dark Jedi myself because the one you're using feels more catered to grey characters using both sides of the Force while my character is much more on the Dark Side. The choice between Dark Jedi and Sith basically came down to how she does not see herself as a Sith in ideology. Sam is cautious of the Sith Order and admires individuals like Palpatine but disapproves of many Sith practices such as Force user supremacy and cut throat Darwinism not to mention how infighting seems to destroy Sith empires better than Jedi ever could. So in-character giving her a Sith tag just wouldn't feel right.
I guess the difference between Sith and Dark Jedi tags comes down to whether or not you feel both OOC and IC the Sith are simply Dark Force users or a greater 'Sith Order'

 

[Micah tol Powl]

Personally, I think the choice should be what you view your character as / how they use their abilities.

That's my view.

This character started out as a Sith Acolyte, studied Sith Alchemy, etc. Except then the bulk of his character development was done with the Primeval, where he transitioned from Sith to Witch to reflect the more primitive or voodoo nature of how he was being written. Then he spent a lot of time with the Silver Jedi, and I'd go between Dark Jedi and Sith tags.

But I've come to accept that, while my character is familiar with the Code of the Jedi and the Code of the Sith, he doesn't believe either to be true. He's very much in the Witch camp, with superstitions and religious beliefs coloring how he interacts with the Force.

 

[Enyo Typhos]

I tend to switch between tags a bit. There's reasons to give Enyo a Neutral Knight, Spellweaver or Dark Jedi Knight tags.


She's not fully immersed in the dark side, so neutral might fit. She was not trained by a Jedi, Sith or Dark Jedi, but by a rogue Eldorai, who comes from an entirely alien Force tradition that exists outside of the Jedi-Sith dichotomy, so there might be reason to give her Spellweaver, but she'd not wedded to them.


Dark Jedi is a bit of a misnomer since she never was a Jedi in the first place, but on this board that tag seems to cover 'general darksider who's not affiliated with Sith, but not part of a mystical, witchy tradition'. So I went with that.


Sith tags would not fit since she while she admires the old Galactic Empire, she's neither been indoctrinated into Sith beliefs nor believes in the Sith Code, be it the Rule of One, Rule of Two or the philosophy during the time of the Old Sith. Indeed, she views most of them as chaotic and destructive.


All in all, her philosophical and metaphysical views have been far more influenced by the indoctrination she's received from the machine cult Archangel than by the beliefs of a particular Force cult.

Personally, I think the choice should be what you view your character as / how they use their abilities.

Same.

 

[Asharad Graush]

[member="Asharad Graush"]

Cool, I'm curious then, why did you choose Sith Acolyte, and how do you view your character in this regard?

This character isn't a member of the Order of Ren.

He's a Sith raised Sith Hybrid. He's in the Army.

 

[Ludolf Vaas]

[member="Wolf"] The [Dark Jedi] tags are the best fit at this time until we someday get our own tags, hopefully.

I know, it sucks. And the reasons the admins give for not including Ren tags is quite frankly, really, really dumb. We have two sets of special snowflake Witch tags right now, but somehow Ren tags would be "niche". Worse, not having Ren tags has the added effect of de-legitimizing the Knights of Ren on the board. It's hard for us to establish the Knights as a unique branch of Force Users when the admins are doing everything they can to undermine this effort. Their decision continues to hurt us by adding to the confusion, where people now associate the Ren as just a special group of Sith, which they aren't.

But anyway.

All of the options suck, quite frankly. But "Dark Jedi" comes the closest to describing what the Knights of Ren are, because "Dark Jedi" is simply a catch-all term for any Force-user who uses the Dark Side. It's better than "Sith", because while the KoR have many similarities to the Sith, they are not Sith. Technically, to be a Sith one needs to actually be indoctrinated into the Sith cult, follow their rules, get a Darth name, etc., which the Knights of Ren do not. Therefore it would be a misnomer to call them Sith. The "Witch" tags are similarly useless. The Ren aren't Witches of Dathomir or affiliated with them in any way, so there is no reason to use those tags, unless you like the names I guess.

 

[Wolf]

[member="Ludolf Vaas"]

The whole 'Padawan' bit in the Dark Jedi tag just seems odd to me, I'll probably stick with apprentice for now.

If Wolf ever becomes a knight, Dark Jedi Knight looks like a good move.

Still strange and annoying to be associated with the Jedi, or as the Dark Jedi term implies, simply a Jedi who has gone bad.

 

[Micah tol Powl]

[member="Wolf"]

There's always neutral Knight as well. It's a good way of displaying a Force rank without attributing it to any particular disposition.

 

[Enyo Typhos]

There's always neutral Knight as well. It's a good way of displaying a Force rank without attributing it to any particular disposition.

Agreed.


Personally I'd be inclined to say the Dark Jedi tag could be modified into say Dark Apprentice (or Acolyte, whatever), Knight and Master since on this board Dark Jedi is just a label for general, non-Sith, non-Witch darksider. This would reflect that state of affairs more.


Several of my chars use the Dark Jedi tag, but only Siobhan used to be a Jedi. Naamah, Sumiko and Enyo have never been Jedi, so technically it's a misnomer for them. But that's just my personal opinion.

 

[Ludolf Vaas]

[member="Wolf"] I know, "Dark Jedi Padawan" is dumb. I'm pretty sure the term Padawan was only used by the Jedi Order, so I dunno why they did that. "Dark Jedi Apprentice" would have at least been better.

The neutral tags can be made to work too, but I don't like them because they seem to imply some sort of Grey Jedi thing. Which the Knights of Ren are not - they are most definitely firmly rooted in the Dark Side.

So, yep, it's between two bowls of bantha feces at this moment, it's up to you which one smells less.

 

[Jaron Lesan]

Ren are decidedly dark side... most of us at the beginning took sith or dark jedi tags as a result

 

[Sentiri]

[member="Wolf"]

As [member="Jaron Lesan"] mentioned in another thread, both [member="Aram Kalast"] and another former member of the First Order created their own tags for signatures. Those can be found here and here.

There's also nothing stopping you from using the Knights of Ren tags in your signature as opposed to your avatar. [member="Boo Chiyo"]'s can be found here and [member="Valessia Brentioch"]'s can be found here.

So if you're so inclined, represent yourself as you please... just in another fashion.