Why did ME Get Denied?

[Strider Garon]

As a mandalorian empire faction member, I would like to know the real reason why two of our doms have been denied? The reasons that were in red that we got falls contradiction to site rules. That the member that posted the doms in the update was not a ME FO or admin. Which is false, he is Admin and appointed by ME's FO. Has been in that position for a while now. You also assume the rebellion he is leading makes him not an admin. How is that so, you are allowed to be Admin of one Major faction. There is no limit to the Minor factions as of yet. This issue could of also been remedied if communicated with faction FO instead of pushing us back a month and holding up ME progress.

You all been told that He is Admin, his minor faction is independent. IF you have issues with him on that, then take it up with him personally and not take it out on the rest of the faction.

Please redact your decision.

Chat Logs:

Jamie-Today at 9:42 AM

This was discussed at length with staff. The decision will not be changed.






ME may resubmit their dominions for April.






I'm not going to individually explain this issue with every member.




[member="[COLOR=#5FBAE8]Valiens Nantaris[/COLOR]"]

 

[Darth Carnifex]

This'll be good.

 

[Strider Garon]

I am very interested to hear the answer to this, so is the rest of the Mando Empire. I kept getting the "go talk to this person, or go talk to him". So instead of answering us all individually, this was the best way for the Chaos Admins to explain to the Mandalorian Empire members 'why'.

 

[Ugoto Chivaro]

You don’t get to swear up and down that you’re not tied to the Mandalorian Empire with your character account and then go post map update requests with that same account. If you’re a faction admin, you don’t have any business posting rebellions with the character account tied to the faction you’re administering.

Try following the spirit of the rules in addition to the wording and you won’t have this problem.

 

[Strider Garon]

[member="Feeto Chivaro"]

He is mandalorian Empire admin. Part of his duties is to update doms. but this sounds very much a personal issue with said person. Why does that have to bare on the rest of us?

 

[Darth Athora]

 

[Darth Athora]

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[Ugoto Chivaro]

[member="Strider Garon"]

Another part of his duty is to acknowledge that he is fundamentally tied to the Mandalorian Empire and thus not a suitable candidate to start rebellions. He didn’t. This was a decision made independently by a leader of your faction. As a faction administrator, his decisions will impact the rest of you.

If you are unhappy with the repercussions of his decision, I suggest you find a new faction administrator or pick someone else to handle map updates.

 

[GhostOfProtocol]

[member="Strider Garon"]

At the start of the Onderon rebellion, this member swore everything that he wasn't associated with The Mandalorian Empire. What I can now assume is that people took him up on his words and chose to deny the dominions because of how he acted. He made a mistake, but he knew that any mistakes he made would affect The Mandalorian Empire due to his ties with them.

 

[Strider Garon]

Well show me an admin that is not fundamentally tied to the faction they are running. Then show me where in the rules does it say that said person cannot run a rebellion with their independent faction. This site you are allowed to have multiple accounts. You are allowed to be part of multipe factions with a single character, which i have been critical of and made fuss over. But end result, this is free form rp and you guys will not heed on creativity. Thats the answer I got on that note. The rules also state that you can only be Admin of one "MAJOR" Faction. Nothing about Minors.

I am honeslty loss here. there is obviously some form of communication that i am getting hung up on.

 

[Natasi Fortan]

The key term is "independent faction."

 

[GhostOfProtocol]

[member="Strider Garon"]

Said writer continued to argue OOC that he had no ties to Mandolorian's when the rebellion started. The admin team just took him up on that.

 

[Strider Garon]

Yes, independent. Seems assumptions were made that his clan Raxis is not independent due to his membership and standing with ME. Clan raxis has members through out many factions. is that not allowed? [member="Natasi Fortan Vitalis"]

 

[Natasi Fortan]

Yes, independent. Seems assumptions were made that his clan Raxis is not independent due to his membership and standing with ME. Clan raxis has members through out many factions. is that not allowed? [member="Natasi Fortan Vitalis"]

I don't work here, I'm not about to parse rules, but you seem to be unable to accept what has clearly been stated. Raxis wants his cake and to eat it too. That doesn't work. Take your lumps and have someone else submit the dominions for April. This isn't difficult. You are making it more complicated than it is.

 

[Darth Bellum]

I just find it amusing how hard you are trying to fight an admin's decision. If they deny you, they've denied you. You either throw a fit over it and make you, your faction, your members look bad, or you get over it and move on like a mature person and realize that your complaints will have little to no effects on the determined result.

 

[Strider Garon]

So lets make it very clear then. Faction Admins or those in leadership of a Major faction cannot run a minor faction and lets throw on top of it that said character cannot be part of a member base of any other Major faction on the site. That would clear up some of the issues with conflict of interest.


This is not me throwing a fit. This is me as a member wanting to know why my faction is getting punished for issues that Site admins have with a single member. And since that is the issue and is been made clear now, lets make the rules clear to prevent such in the future.

 

[Natasi Fortan]

So lets make it very clear then. Faction Admins or those in leadership of a Major faction cannot run a minor faction and lets throw on top of it that said character cannot be part of a member base of any other Major faction on the site. That would clear up some of the issues with conflict of interest.


This is not me throwing a fit. This is me as a member wanting to know why my faction is getting punished for issues that Site admins have with a single member. And since that is the issue and is been made clear now, lets make the rules clear to prevent such in the future.

Or -- and go with me on this, because it's complicated -- the rules stay the same and the ME deals internally with the consequences of one of their members (and claimed staff) trying to game the minor faction/subfaction rules.

 

[Fiolette Fortan]

I'm just gonna have to second Natasi on this.

You're making this way more complex that it actually is.

The solution is simple, someone else makes the dom submissions and hey here's a plus you just need to resubmit for April. Yes, a mistake was made but my God it isn't that hard to just deal with it and move on and not make this a public spectacle.

 

[Malok]

 

[Strider Garon]

I am obviously one of those people that are not afraid of public opinion. Many fear personal reprisal from Site admins but they are very mature and don't sink down to such low dept of troll dung (My experience they are good peeps), so voicing concern over a ruling is our right we have as members of this site. Will it change the ruling, no. That was very much a shot in the dark. But can we get to the bottom the issue, make it clear cut and actually maybe effect rule change so that this does not happen in the future. Sure, I mean the ball is rolling already. Does it suck that an entire faction is being punished over one person. Yes, yes it does. Could the admins have given us a chance to delete that dom sub and let another admin do it. They could of and probably would of been better if they did.