Canon Company Check ins --- A question

[Danger Arceneau]

So Dominio asked the following, and I think it is a legit question.

Let's discuss.

Do we have to show growth each time or just that we're active/doing stuff with it? Because if we have to make stuff every month people might make two or three things just for that rather than story. Which is just factory supporting factory rather than factory reflecting RP.

Just something I'm curious about. Mostly because I dislike having to prove how much I've done over the month. Most of the time I'm still on last month's things.

[member="Darth Janus"] [member="Tefka"] [member="Noah Corek"] @Raziel @Camellia Swift [member="Silara Vantai"] [member="Ordo"]

 

[Ordo]

RP makes more sense than just production. What if a company hasn't developed a new product but increased production of one? That should be all they need,.

 

[Tefka]

[member="Darth Janus"] [member="Tefka"] [member="Noah Corek"] @Raziel @Camellia Swift [member="Silara Vantai"] [member="Ordo"]

I'm in favor of doing away with canon companies altogether and forcing them to be recognized as Player-made Companies that simply share the same name as companies from the past in canon.

The only power in owning a canon corp is the power we give it, and I wish to take away more of that power.

Everyone should be on an equal playing ground whereas companies are concerned.

 

[Danger Arceneau]

[member="Tefka"]

So where all canon companies regardless of how "Big" they were in the past, now have to start either at Tier 2 without a development thread, or tier 3 WITH a development thread just like a PC company?



Here is the Company Creation Template for example.

Corporation Name: [Straight forward. What's the corporation called?]

Headquarters: [Where is the corporation based? CEC is based out of Corellia, KDY is from Kuat.]

Locations: [If your corporation is large enough, where else have they set up shop? You're not strictly limited to setting up shop in nearby systems, but you shouldn't be hopscotching around the galaxy either.]

Operations: [What does your corporation do? What do they make? This can be multiple things, such as vehicle manufacturing, shipbuilding.]

Rationale: [How did your character come to own and control the company? Did they make it? Hostile takeover? Clever political scheming?]
Tier: [How big is your corporation? This is done on a scale of 1-5, with 1 being a very small company, generally producing only a handful of goods at a time, with very little support or influence in the galaxy. Think mom and pop shop. 5 is a big, big name in the galaxy, like Sienar Fleet Systems or BlasTech Industries. Each Tier is exponentially larger than the last, so a Tier 3 Corporation could have one or two Tier 2 corporations as subsidies without a problem.]
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Description: [At least a paragraph description of your corporation. The higher the tier of the corporation, the more we expect from the description. If we feel like the description isn't adequate for the requested tier, you may be asked to include more detail or lower the tier. Particularly for player-made corporations, this should detail some of the processes of how the company does business. Does it accept private manufacturing requests? Is it loyal to a particular government or faction? Are they a benevolent corporation, or do they grind planets into dust for money? It's the little details like this that we're looking for.

At Tier 3, if you so choose, your corporation can start owning other companies. If your corporation owns a company or multiple companies, this is where to list them. (Subsidiaries require their own company submissions.) On the other side of things, Tier 2 is probably about as big as a player-made corporation could start out on just a very solid description alone. Development threads would need to be done to show the work of the corporation. This is not something that you should expect to change easily, and we will be looking closely.]

As a note, you must maintain regular activity to maintain ownership of a canon corporation. If you should become inactive, your ownership will be revoked and the corporation will be put up for grabs once again.

 

[Tefka]

So where all canon companies regardless of how "Big" they were in the past, now have to start either at Tier 2 without a development thread, or tier 3 WITH a development thread just like a PC company?

Yes.

 

[Tefka]

And we stop referring to them as canon companies.

They're not canon companies. They're companies that have the same name as companies from canon.

 

[Danger Arceneau]

@Tefka



Also, does this mean that Canon Company check-ins will still continue? The deal with the check in's is because if people became inactive, then other new active writers or members are able to rp out SoroSub or Blastech or Czerka.

And we stop referring to them as canon companies.

They're not canon companies. They're companies that have the same name as companies from canon.

or just... do a company check in for everyone??? so as to free the clutter and place inactive ones in an "inactive" forum?

 

[Tefka]

[member="Danger Arceneau"]

No. We're not moving any companies to an inactive forum. I want people to have something to come back to.

Kark canon companies. First come first served basis. If you get the name you want, just like registering a domain name on godaddy, then you're good to go. If not, you gotta be creative.

Let's do away with canon company check-ins altogether.

 

[Tefka]

I think, to combat someone sitting on a name, there should be a 90 day window of inactivity after which any name can be taken from a company. Like how copyrights expire and go public domain.

 

[Danger Arceneau]

I think, to combat someone sitting on a name, there should be a 90 day window of inactivity after which any name can be taken from a company. Like how copyrights expire and go public domain.

Window of inactivity since last actual IC company roleplay?

Or character log in?


or Tech sub entry? (which really -anyone- can just submit a random tech sub)

Any ideas on how this check and balances with this new process work?

 

[Noah Corek]

[member="Tefka"]
I don't know Tef, companies like, Soro-Subb, Blas-Tech and KDY are so implanted into the lore that it wouldn't be a star wars sight without it. But I kinda get what your saying with the whole name thing though.

 

[Tefka]

Inactivity can be clarified as any of the above (Character Log In, Tech Sub Entry, Role-play) and can be verified by an RPJ upon request by a new user requesting the name.

An attempt to contact the old owner will be made, and upon failure the entry will be renamed to [OLD] NAME GOES HERE.1 and given an inactive prefix.

Returning owners can request to move the inactive prefix, but it will require the Returning Owner to rename his/her company (if the name is now taken) and the company will lose 3 tiers, but will not be reduced beyond Tier 1.

 

[Tefka]

[member="Tefka"]
I don't know Tef, companies like, Soro-Subb, Blas-Tech and KDY are so implanted into the lore that it wouldn't be a star wars sight without it.

This is a matter of opinion that I personally do not believe rings true for the majority of the member base. Regardless, we need not lose those companies. If anything, my proposition gives them more staying power. However, this is a role-playing board, where the expanded universe is expanded even further.

Imagination is key. That is what I am asking for here. That, and an equal playing field. There is too much emphasis on canon companies.

 

[Caulder Dune]

or tier 3 WITH a development thread just like a PC company?

PC companies cannot start at Tier III with a development thread unless they are a subsidiary of a company that is already Tier V or greater. Tier III is not a level an independent company should immediately start out on.

Check-ins have always been either show that you're roleplaying with your company or show that you submitted a product for it. That is literally all that has been required for them. No growth is required to be shown. Either link a submission or link a thread you've done with your company. That's it.

But if you want to get rid of them and get rid of the concept of canon companies as well, I'm in favor.

 

[Camellia Swift]

[member="Tefka"]

I wish to disagree with the idea of doing away with canon companies, and its not just because I'm sitting on one.

They do have a huge thing to do with the lore of matters, they're integrated into several of the worlds of the star wars universe and give reason for some of them to have the reputation and style that they do. It also gives importance to some worlds that wouldn't otherwise be known for anything if it weren't for their droids or shipyards or whatever.

Not to mention eliminating canon companies eliminates the ones unclaimed even which can be considered the NPC companies that compete with the PC ones. Though they put out no new designs unless someone uses their name in a sub.

Its like saying we should do away with canon worlds because they give people an inflated feeling of importance because their faction owns coruscant or this group has Kuat or Dac or Corellia or Naboo or you get my point.

Canon companies give a real feel of accomplishment for those successfully running them. My opinion is limit a writer to owning one, and only one canon company across all accounts, and that they can only have one more as a subsidiary if that's a thing.

 

[Danger Arceneau]

Inactivity can be clarified as any of the above (Character Log In, Tech Sub Entry, Role-play) and can be verified by an RPJ upon request by a new user requesting the name.

An attempt to contact the old owner will be made, and upon failure the entry will be renamed to [OLD] NAME GOES HERE.1 and given an inactive prefix.

Returning owners can request to move the inactive prefix, but it will require the Returning Owner to rename his/her company (if the name is now taken) and the company will lose 3 tiers, but will not be reduced beyond Tier 1.

How will this work for tech entries submitted under the old company name. For example let's say the previous owner of czerka comes back to find his company is now run by someone else. He was tier 6 and now has to rename his company to supermans boom boom.

He drops to tier 3 --- but now all the tech subs he created in the past are in czerka's name.

Does he still own his old tech? Get it relabeled under his new company? Or does it all still belong to "czerka"?

 

[Camellia Swift]

I don't even think a decision like this should just be made by us. If it comes down to anyone is that into the idea of removing canon companies, I say you run it by the board for their say on the matter because it feels like too big a move to do on our part.

My personal stance on this is that removing canon companies is getting too deep.

 

[Danger Arceneau]

We are not removing them.


Just saying that if you want to create one , sorosub for example, you won't start at tier 4 or 5 at the get go JUST because it is a canon company.

All companies will start at tier 2 regardless of canon or pc company.

 

[Tefka]

And we stop referring to them as canon companies. They're not canon companies. They're companies that have the same name as companies from canon.

[member="Camellia Swift"]

Nobody ever said "eliminate" canon companies. I'm saying they never existed. Only the names remain, and I'm okay with keeping them around.

The companies that share the same name as the canon companies of the EU are 800 years after the fact. It's fine for the owner to say the company continued on, but in no way shape or form is it still the same company, as the circumstances of Chaos's lore has overwritten almost everything to the point of even re-creating destroyed worlds (Alderaan, Dantooine).

By providing less emphasis on canon companies, I wish to force everyone to recognize this indisputable fact.

 

[Camellia Swift]

[member="Danger Arceneau"]

That's fine, but Tef's repeated mention they aren't canon companies such as he has here

And we stop referring to them as canon companies.

They're not canon companies. They're companies that have the same name as companies from canon.

Is what I'm not in agreement with. They're canon companies, its not like they all just vanished. These companies were several thousand years old by the time of the movies. They're not going to be removed by just anything. And we've treated them like canon companies up to now, I see no reason to stop. it hurts no one. I'm fine if we say they start at tier 2 from now on, but they're canon companies.