Dantooine Down-Under

[Sky'ito Yumi]

"What so because these pirates and murders who would in any other case be sent to prison or given the death penalty, everything they so is all of a sudden legal because you pay them? Even though, and we both know this, they have no ethical morality and almost always after they have 'just hit a military' target will loot it, take slave, and pillage any surrounding land they see fit". "Is that all it takes to for something to be legal in your eyes? governmental funding? no of course not, if the Silver Jedi or Galactic Alliance did hire mercenaries to raid Sith military instillation you would just use it to flood propaganda and keep up the whole all Jedi are evil and must die story". Heck they already did, even though the Resistance and Rebel Alliance where both private militia like organization the Sith still pinned the blame on the core worlds regardless of intel and actual fact, only fanning the flames or war. "Also protect imperial citizens? where where they when my village was attacked? what about actual insurgents that target innocent people like the disillusioned Hand of Light? Seems like your military and policing forces are more intent of solidifying the Empires power and give not karks about the peoples, after all they are inferiors to you after all, especially farmers, non humans and so forth".

As the man because even more cock Sukai could not help but give him the stink eye, was he trying to get a rise out of her? it would not be a good thing to do, if Sukai did get angry, if she did fall under the influence of the dark site, even for a little while. Let us just say this mans family would not be able to recognize the body once she was done with it. "Why don't you prove it? you do not know what it is like to constantly hear about the many atrocities committed by the Sith, when your massive warship take over a planet, block trade and keep people on the ground, no one can tell if you come 'in peace' or are going to kill them all". "You empire it to unpredictable, on second their raising entire cities with fire the next their handing out charity baskets, in the most case people flee, not willing to take that chance, besides it is not like your idea of peace is very fun". Free trade was prohibited, under the pretense of stopping smugglers, putting many people out of business, border control meaning people could not leave planets unless authorized, other law that abolish free speach and slavering being legal once more, was that peace?

"You do have a point about accepting ones emotions, but why must is be only hate, amnesty, pain and anger? why not love, passion like your code stats? during your latest unprovoked attack against the Silver Jedi my brother battled against a Sith who looked upon all Jedi as worthless beings that did not deserve life, the only emotion the expressed being hate and anger. If I remember there name was Joycelyn Zambrano, who is in no way any minor one off Sith". When looking about it more it seemed only the younger inexperienced Sith actually believed in what this man said, she had met many before, said people ending up either dead, or turned to the dark side and becoming the deadly hate filled Sith they claimed they would never become. Once again the grey Jedi let out a small sigh, this conversation was not really getting anywhere, just seemed to be the exact same as any other Sith that she had tried to talk to that was not immediate family.

For a moment Sukai contemplated just leaving the Sith to his ideology, to let him believe what he believed for now, sooner or later he'd be placed in a battle where the ending of peoples lives en mass would come. In time he'd either change, for better or worse, though the Riben Jin had a felling it would be the latter, probably in 20 years time the boy would be a Sith Lord, carrying out mass execution on Coruscant, only time would tell. Unfortunately though the Sith posed a new question, diverting the conversation to a rather new and controversial topic, "why would I need to drain someones life force? us vampire naturally live a very long time unlike you humans, though I do source my blood from a very close friend". Said friend being a Ferrose, able to regenerate quickly after each biting session the two had, "it is the reason why I know you Empire will not succeed, my Great Great Grandmother has recounted 10000 years of history to me, time and time again and empire like yours came along, only to fall". "No matter what you do, or what you try Sith can not and will never take over, all you are is a small cog in the every cycling machine of death, all your fought battles, trials will be for naught in the end, on day your empire will crumble". "When that happens, when you are an old man on your death bed, if you last that long, I will come to you, still looking the same way as I do today, I and will say 'Told You So',".

Being a Vampire and Jedi was probably the rarest thing in the Galaxy, almost all Vampire being Sith Lords or Dark Jedi, but Sukai, she was different, modeling her moral code from the Riben-Jin samurai, making her able to stick on a road of balance then that of the shroud.

[member="Adrian Vandiir"] (sorry if this is long)

 

[AMCO]

"What you are saying is true, a great many of them are murderous scum, but at the moment they are unfortunately necessary. With much of the Empire's forces dedicated to, err, expansion, mercenaries are a useful, if not ideal, way to keep the Legion from overexerting itself. Allowing it's soldiers more time to rest, train, and recuperate between deployments. I do not know whether the Silver Jedi Order use mercenaries offensively, but considering some of their methods, I don't see how that matters. I trust I do not need to remind you of the horrible destruction they wrought upon Mirial with their so-called cleansing light." Adrian was a pragmatist. In the end, it mattered little to him if destruction was wrought by ravenous mercenaries or the "benevolence" of the Silver Jedi. Either way, the result was the same. Destruction and indiscriminate death. "Again, it is truly unfortunate that the Empire failed to act in defence of your village, but even it's vast resources can't reach everywhere, can't save everyone. If you want an example of the Empire helping its citizens, then you need look no further than Mirial. Devastated by the zombie virus and decimated by the Silver Jedi, the Sith are building an entire city in orbit to house its inhabitants. A truly massive undertaking aimed solely at helping its citizens." Truly, it was an awe-inspiring example of what the vast Imperial industrial machine would accomplish when it set it's mind to it. The Empire had its faults, but it was also filled with potential. Potential that, he hoped, would one day bring peace to the galaxy. Real peace, not the meditative state of ignoring one's problems and hoping they go away on their own which the Jedi seemed to admire so much.

He could sense the woman getting annoyed with him, she didn't even try to hide it. Some would probably have backed down under her firm gaze, but Adrian had never been one to cede a point unless personally convinced or forced to do so by exceptional circumstances. "The Empire could certainly do well to be a little less destructive, at times, but random we are not. The Empire has a clearly stated goal: To expand its territory, and to respond with ruthless force when attacked. The worst atrocities committed by the current iteration of the Sith Empire have all been committed in response to an attack on its territory, such as the one on Mirial. We are not the One Sith, ravaging the galaxy for our pleasure. While are still overly fond of violence, it now, at least, serves a greater purpose. As to your objections regarding the Emperor's Peace, I'll admit, it's not for everyone. The Empire is, however, highly meritocratic. The higher one rises, the less stifling it becomes, and the common masses probably prefer an enforced peace to the ravages of anarchy, at least if they have been on the receiving end of the discord that plagues our galaxy." He seemed somewhat annoyed at that. The Jedi wasn't seeing the bigger picture. There would always be dissent, regardless of how much freedom one had, but there was no freedom, true freedom, in anarchy. The strong would cease control anyway, at least, if they did so through the imperial bureaucracy, there would be some limit to their actions and potential abuses of power.

"Truth be told, I see no reason not to embrace one's "positive" emotions, as you would call them. The Sith Code is not about suppressing love, compassion, and such, it is about embracing all emotion, and, in my eyes at least, keeping one's raging passion in check so that one might actually achieve one's desires. I find no appeal in the philosophy of those who preach anger above all else. It is, perhaps, an easier source of power, but that does not make it a surer source of power. I, personally, do my best to channel a variety of emotions, to use everything, not just pain and hatred. Anger can burn out and pain can fade, but if one channels all of one's passion as one, then one has a stable foundation upon which to build something lasting." Some would no doubt disagree fervently with him, but he knew he was not alone. It was, however, far more common to embrace hatred and fear alone on the battlefield, where the Jedi usually faced Sith, because those emotions were abundant there. Were a wellspring of power that could tip the odds in one's favour.

Why would she need someone to drain? Why indeed. He chuckled slightly, speaking after she had finished. "A Vampire, huh. Interesting. Very interesting. I'll be honest, I thought you were referring to Force Drain, but this is so much more... exotic. Intriguing. I do have to object to your impression of me, though. I am no cog in a machine of death. My goals are my own and, in truth, I care little for the conquest so many of my fellow Sith crave, except for a desire to finally bring peace and order to the galaxy. No, my calling is to search for knowledge, the uncovering of secrets long lost, and the stretching of the border of what people think is possible. If I am successful, my legacy will not be a trail of needless death and destruction in an eternal circle of endless war, but a more complete understanding of the mysteries of the force. I seek my share of pleasure, to be sure, but that is, must be, secondary to my pursuit of knowledge. For what, I might ask, is a more worthy goal than to dedicate oneself to the pursuit of perfection. The desire to know the seemingly unknowable. To do what most consider impossible."

[member='Sky'ito Yumi']
OOC: No worries, but be warned, I often respond in kind.

 

[Sky'ito Yumi]

Miral, really, he was bringing that up? the planet which had fallen into its state because of Sith and Dark side users, "look Miral* was a tragedy for both side, and I for one do not know what Jedi used that power". "But are you seriously using that as an excuse for the attack on Felucia and that because of one mishap carried out by a few Jedi that makes us all evil and should die.? You instigated the war with the Silver Jedi, you attacked us first Miral was a sound counter offensive that I know for a fact if the roles were reversed you would say was more than just". "We attacked because we were sick of Sith, First Order and Imperials forces ransacking, geocoding and killing everything in their path, because of your action most of former Silver Space lies in ruins with no one to help I don't see your empire doing anything about it". It was hypocritical, that the Sith would call what happened on Miral reason to kill millions of people regardless of their loyalty, even if the beam of light was not fired, the way Sith forces put civis in harm’s way, how they did not care about friendly fire would have caused just as many deaths.

"What you say about emotion is correct, but once again people who think like you are too much of a minority to ever affect the way the Empire works, regardless of what you learn or teach all Sith will be urged to use anger and hate when calling on the dark side". "I personally believe that a balance between emotion and a clam mind gives the most power, it does not make you susceptible to over confidence but allows you to draw strength from elsewhere, though I often dabble in both sides, if need be I can embrace only the light or the dark". The latter being not the most desirable for reasons best left unsaid, but even though this Sith, if she could call him that, had sound reasons she could, and would never agree with his moral standards. In no way was Sukai able to comprehend the merciless murder of someone to potentially make another life in the far future be just.

Her exotic? well it was very rare for a vampire to be an actual Jedi, once again the rest of her family being Sith and Dark Jedi, she did not know whether to take that as a compliment or a insult. "Even if you have no direst to share in conquest and mindless slaughter you will not have a choice, sooner or later you will be forced into conflict, that blade of your will one day be used to kill someone who cannot defend themselves". "Whether it be a prisoner of war, a Jedi young-ling, a pregnant woman, one day you will kill, and you with either love it, be immune to it, or hate it". "Even if you manage to avoid that, you will have to bear witness, and a person who just stand by and lets something like that take place with no objection is just as bad as the person committing it". Perhaps she was being too hard on the boy, with how big the Empire had gotten and with no military able to face them in battle he may never be needed on the front lines, just to hang back and be used and propaganda, though one could never be certain.

"Your quest is interesting, I took seek that same thing, the reason why I became a Sith and study whatever I can get my hands on that is related to the force, but I must ask how will you do that, how will you dive so deep and discover all". "Let us say the Empire does takes over the Galaxy, you know full well they will defile all Jedi temple, destroying all holocrons related to the light and purge all other information on that side of the force and those that use it". "If that were to happen how would you learn anymore, what sources could you use? I highly doubt and Jedi that do manage to escape from such an ethnic cleansing would teach you let alone allow you to find them". At the rate the Galaxy was going such may prove to be true, even with the ever-present hope of balance returning there could be a very large period of darkness ahead where the First Order and Sith reigning supreme over the galaxy with nowhere for Jedi to live in peace.

[member="Adrian Vandiir"]
(*Unfortunately the whole wall of light was never meant to cause that, Asia Yune used the skill just as a means to remove the dark power off the planet, not doing research to know it's full effects, but before she had a chance to change it, and despite OOC talks every Sith PC immediately jumped on it and basically said we nuked the city, which is one of the reasons there is so much salt between the SJO and TSE along with whole 'the Silvers are just whipping toys for the Sith')

 

[AMCO]

"That's just the thing. The Jedi preach peace and but wage war just as often and as violently as the Sith. Good intentions don't seem to last long in war, regardless of side. I'll admit that many Sith seem to start off a bit more extreme than the Jedi, but it seems to me that the longer the conflict lasts, the more ruthless the Jedi become. I'm not saying all Jedi are bad, but in general, Jedi don't fare well in war. It isn't the sort of place that breeds the serenity they need. It is hardly a coincident that fallen Jedi are often worse than all but the most brutal of Sith; suppress your emotions for long enough and chances are you will turn into quite the monster when you finally snap." There were exceptions, of course, but he firmly believed that the sort of mental conditioning the Jedi practised was unhealthy in the long run... it might be useful for a security force, though. Hmm. He'd have to see about that at a later date, but for now, there was a discussion to continue. "As for Silver Jedi Space lying in ruins, a lot of the blame for that falls on the League of Voss. Those terrorists have prevented the Empire from swooping in and restoring the rule of law. Do you really think the Empire would be able to send civilian aid convoys without them being attacked? The best we can do is attempt to consolidate out territory and expand at a reasonable pace, while allowing others to do they best they can when it comes to rendering humanitarian aid."

"Sure, I'm not in the majority, but that doesn't mean I should just give up. I do my best to try to convince fellow Sith of what I see as the most reasonable path, but I'm not going to try to force them to see it my way. I don't have the influence to do that, and even if I did, that's not what the Sith are about. How would I be any better than those who preach dogma if I did the same? No, I believe that everyone has to find their own path, to think for themselves. That is the only way to truly avoid the stagnation the Sith so fear." He had found that a decent amount of fellow Sith shared his views. Not all saw hatred as the true path to power, not all abandoned their inhibitions completely. There were, in fact, many who understood that rashly following one's emotions in spite of logic would only lead to failure. He was convinces that most higher ranking Sith had, at some point, been forced to let logic conquer their emotions. The difference was that the Sith did not suppress their emotions, they merely tempered them. They did not fear their own desires, nor should they, in his mind, give in to them. One should strive to accomplish one's desires, but in a logical way. A well-planned way.

He already knew how it felt to bring death to the innocent. He already knew how it felt to kill the defenceless. Perhaps it showed on his face, briefly, he did not know. He had not enjoyed it. Not one bit. He had always been pragmatic though. Always valued the his own life and the lives of those he loved over others. When the choice had been forced upon him, he had not hesitated. He had been pained. He had flinched. But he had not hesitated. Not when they begged. Not when they cried. Not when they just sat there in numb acceptance. He had chopped, he had hewn, he had sliced, and at the end of the night, the only people alive in the room had been him, his mother, and the Sith Knight who had forced him to commit the act. Pushing the memories aside he smiled, though it seemed halfhearted. Pained, even. "I'm sure... I'm sure I would do what's best. For the greater good." Recovering quickly, he forced himself back into his usual overly cheerful mood. Joy worked almost as well as pain, and it was much more pleasant, after all.

Frowning at the thought of destroyed holocrons, he responded. "Well, then those of us that cherish all knowledge are just going to have to work to save as much as possible. Any Jedi that are recruited into the ranks of the Sith could also be good sources of knowledge, so that's just all the more reason to work on my persuasiveness, hmm?" He smiled mischievously at the last part, as if he had forgotten for a moment that he was, in fact, talking to someone who might not look to kindly on someone hoping to turn Jedi to the dark side. Oh well, it surely wouldn't invoke a worse reaction than the usual "kill all Jedi" stuff, after all, he planned to be quite civilised about it.

[member="Sky'ito Yumi"]

 

[Sky'ito Yumi]

"Do you think we have a choice in that matter? if we didn't fight at all the Sith orders would glass our planets within a week, waging war is the only way that we can survive, every traditionalist order that is around either hides only allowing very little people into their doors, like the Je'daii. Other orders like The Jedi Order, a very by the books, no war help people out sect came under attack but Dark Jedi that mascaraed many at the enclave, it is the Sith fault that the Jedi exist in the first place". "It's your barbaric acts, that way you taint their minds with how little you care for lives that chip away at them, then they crack, coming to the realization that the only way to fight Sith is on their own playing field... indiscriminate killing". It was in like a tree falling over on the one how cut it down, it may kill them or just fall over with no real effect, but either way it makes a loud bang ans scares people."You think I do not know about the new Voss order? Like I said the reason they exist is because of you, constant attacks by you Sith it was drove them to do that". "If your order was not so hell bend on killing all Jedi us silvers would still have control over that area". "You have no one else to blame but yourself for all the problems in the outer rim, and do not say 'why don't' you send help, the minute we even think about sending ships the Sith Empire gets those Privateers you talk about and jumps us as soon as we leave the inner rim".

"Besides your consolidation of power would be to destroy anything that resembled the last government, more slave and concentration camps and just a general genocide of all those left, the same thing that happened to the Dominions force users once they fell". All that she could hope was some other faction like the Republic Remenanet could grasp hold of the sacred world, not there was much left, almost all Jedi related objects being brought to their new home world. "You can try, but it will be hard for someone like you, I would not be surprised if sooner or later a fellow Sith tries to kill you for such thoughts? still I can agree with that sentimentality a bit, that was how my mother trained me and why I am a... kind of Jedi and not like her... still that does not justify their actions, no matter what way you spin it". Not even her own, all those she had killed while under the guide of the dark side, it made what Sith Inquisitors to do prisoners seem tame, just thinking about how she liked to hear their screams and watch the blood slowly dribble out of their body made her cringe. Perhaps it was a vampire thing, going for so long without feeding along with dark side corruption leading to such thought, but that did not excuse her actions, it just made her more dedicated to the Jedi, more dedicated to make up for such sadistic acts, not matter how long it took.

She was broken out of her little trip down nightmare lane when her... what was she to call this man anyways? never mind, when the Sith muttered something, raising a slight eyebrow quirk, had he just said greater good or something? He was just like [member="Lark"], another Sith thinking that all this would help... if it did the galaxy would have fell to the dark side and stayed that way, but know, when the Sith had pushed to far the Force pushed back. "My family collects history and archives it back at my Great Great Grandmothers fortress, being vampires we can keep it safe and stored away much better then you mortals, if you ever gain my trust I may take you their", well first he would need to gain the trust of the entire family. Also avoid becoming their next meal, or being seduced to stay at the fortress as a willing servant, thinking about it more not the best idea. "Also drop the whole Jedi thing, not Jedi would stay a Jedi among your rank for long, it is impossible for the two to co-exist under your governmental rule, I know I was not able to, there area also a few former Sith lords who are not Jedi master at the temple". Probably the most prominent one being Aurai Horaen not referred to as Jairdain Ismet, quite a powerful force user and the master who taught Sukai about shielding with the force.

[member="Adrian Vandiir"]

 

[AMCO]

"Much of what you are saying are symptoms of a greater problem; the constant warfare and disorder that plagues the Galaxy. While I agree that the Sith are partly to blame, the Jedi are as much a part of the problem as we are. Don't get me wrong, some level of conflict is necessary to prevent stagnation, but the current constant warfare is purposeless in its scale, senseless in its targets. There are certainly people who are more to blame than others on either side, but, as a whole, the primary cause is a mutual hatred that has lasted since original Dark Jedi were violently banished to the edges of known space simply for seeking knowledge, regardless of what was taboo or not." He had read transcripts of ancient texts and gazed upon time-worn glyphs in the tombs of long-forgotten Lords. It was the ignorance and petty fears of the Jedi that had originally started the age-long conflict and it was surely a large part of what had kept it going. The aggression of his peers was also to blame, of course, but it was to a large extent a symptom of the constant warfare that had defined his order since its inception. Perhaps the Jedi would need to be wiped out before the Sith could truly be reformed, but, if that was the case, then he would do his best to convince as many of them as possible to embrace the Dark Side over dying a martyr's death. Death didn't faze him much, not after what the Overseers had put him through, but senseless death still disgusted him to the core, after all, the Force was a rare enough gift, and it offended him deeply to see such great potential go to waste.

"Kill me? Oh, I'm sure some will try." At that, he chuckled dryly, before continuing. "That is one of the primary reasons I must strive to become more powerful, after all. It would be preferable if I could dedicate more of my time to the pursuit of all knowledge, not just the kind that leads to power, but such is life. Still, it's not all bad. Conflict and opposition do lead to greater strength if one can overcome them and strength make achieving one's goals much easier, whether they be the basest or the highest of desires." Smiling cheerfully, he continued. "Your mother sounds like a delightful woman, by the way. I wonder though. It sounds to me like she is more of a darksider, at least more so than you. How did you come to stray from that path?" That sort of thing had always fascinated him, You heard about Jedi who "fell to the dark", but Sith who "fell to the light" were far more uncommon. It made sense, of course. The dark side offered more power, more quickly. It was more tempting, more exhilarating. Still, there was a possibility of it happening the other way around, he was sure. It would be interesting if that is what had happened to... the woman. He would have to ask her name when the conversation allowed for it.

At the mention of archives, he noticeably perked up. Even more so than already, that is. If there was one thing that always peaked his interest, it was the possibility of knowledge, especially something like this. Of course, she probably didn't trust him. He hadn't even introduced himself yet. How impolite of him. "Now that, would certainly be very, very interesting." He followed up with a wry smile though, as if to signify that he knew she probably didn't trust him. Not one bit. Hazards of being a Sith, he supposed. "Well, even if they weren't Jedi any longer, they would still possess the knowledge. It's not like it just vanishes from their minds if they turn to the dark side." Of course, it might be hard to convince them to share, but that didn't mean it was impossible. Besides, he doubted the Sith would overcome the Jedi anytime soon. They were simply too evenly matched at the moment, even if it did feel like the Sith had the upper hand.

@Sky'ito Yumi

 

[Sky'ito Yumi]

"Yes more factors does plague the galaxy these day, different Froce Orders besides the Sith and Jedi rising up, cyborg incisions and many other things, but despite it all the Sith are still one of the Major players". "Though as for the Jedi of old that exiled those Dark ones, from what my family has stated those dark ones did not simply read some text, and then get banished". "The Je'daii where about balance, true balance and seclusion, when they got involved with the rest of the galaxy some fell to the dark and sparked a Civil war on Tython, not a simple scuffle, but a war that resulted in many deaths". "The Je'dii that did not fall had to turn to the light to win to keep balance, something which has to be constant least the galaxy fall into turmoil" "Then afterwards those that remained of the dark side were exiled and not killed, which was more merciful that anything else". It was certainly more then anything that the Dark Jedi would have done, and in anger they came back with a huge fleet and invaded, yes there was more to it then that, but the whole point was dark side users still sparked the fire that would lead to may problems. Sometimes Sukai wondered if it would have been best the Je'dii never left Tython, then all the problems today would be minimal. Sure war would exist but you would have have Sith and the Fire birds and those so corrupt they give not heed to life.

"Your half making sense to me, as a Jin conflict and learning to fight is apart of my culture, much like the Echani, but growth is not always about opposition, a good mix between both is best, to much fighting and people become more exhausted then innovative". But considering how much more time she spent on combat skills as of late it was a little hypocritical to state that, though not like the Sith would know about that. Talking about the Sith seems that he once again changed the topic towards her family, an odd subject she herself did not know all the answers to at this point in time, she would have to ask for the family tree records again. "A dark sider, I though I had said that earlier, yes my mother is a Dark Jedi, her mother and my Grandmother is a Sith Lord, my Great Great Great Grandmother also a Sith Lord, all with extensive territory around the galaxy, even within your empire". "Though I never strayed, my mother taught me both sides of the force and left me tho chose for myself, I tested bother side and decided to be a grey, from what I have seen that brings more power then either the light or dark". That was why some Sith left and became Jedi like Jari had, those who used both sides where far more stronger then either, able to be calm and focused, but also drawing on emotional strength, former Sith turned Grey where often the strongest force users in the galaxy. Though sh had a feeling this Sith did not feel the same way, if so it was silly, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, one could not simply use the dark side, get immense power and be all find, no matter what its corrupting nature got to everyone.

As for letting him look at the archives, probably not happening anytime soon, heck Sukai had yet to see the fortress their family had, "yes interesting... just don't stalk me you hear, but as for the Jedi becoming Sith" "It is more if the Sith will retain that knowledge of simply stash it away, fear that the pull of the light will make people reconsider or mean that ones like you are not full dark side". Throughout this entire talk the man though claiming to be all Sith was not fully dark side, she had seen full dark side before, been there herself, heck she was probably more dark Sith then this smug Sith. "What ever you believe, though at this rate with the current state of all the Jedi Orders and countless Sith attack many will probably fall and you and the knights of Ren will soon be at each others throats no"? Now that would be an interesting conflict to see two 'collateral damage' empire go at it, probably will make a galaxy wide no mans land of nuked planets going from galactic north to south. That was no joke, both possessed and had used massive proton and nuclear bombs in the pasts, and with differentiating and fanatic ideology, well once could see how that would work out.

[member="Adrian Vandiir"]

 

[AMCO]

Hmm. He had never been one to believe in any sort of cosmic "balance", but he had a feeling he wouldn't get anywhere with her. Not on this point. "And what about the so-called "forbidden arts of the Sith"? What would be the reasoning for banning such forms of knowledge, if both sides of the force were truly accepted and utilised? What is Sith Sorcery and Alchemy, but the Force catalogued, measured, and perfected? Surely the desire to learn the truth, not merely rely on dogma and hearsay, must be an admirable pursuit?" No, not merely admirable. Necessary. Necessary for true progress to be achieved. Everything in existence could be studied, measured, and stretched to the limit, so why not the Force? Of course, there were those who considered such pursuits dangerous, heretical, or evil. Such was the way of close-minded fools. There would always be those who did not wish to know. Who feared the truth. If the bold listened to such nonsense, then stagnation was the only possible result.

"Oh, I agree. The Sith place too much stock in conflict, at least in my eyes. It is important, to be sure, but to allow it to outweigh all else is folly. Thankfully, the current Brotherhood of the Sith is quite different from the One Sith in this regard, though there is still a way to go. That being said, it is necessary to cull the weak from the strong, though the current method might be a bit barbaric for my tastes." Especially so in regards to the initial focus on raw strength over intelligence and cunning. It was not too much of a problem for people like him, who had learned to use the force before being brought to the Overseers for training, but it was still a major problem, at least in his eyes. To allow raw strength to outcompete brilliance would only deprive the Brotherhood of the Sith as a whole, not strengthen it. Of that, he was convinced. "Well, if that is the case, then I can hardly fault you for that. I see no reason to disapprove of anyone who chooses to utilise all the tools at their disposal, no reason at all."

Chuckling slightly at her warning not to stalk her, he allowed the remark to go unchallenged. "Indeed, some would certainly fear the "pull of the light", as you put it. In the end, I can only work to safeguard as much knowledge as I can, as well as hope that more reasonable minds prevail." Of course, he wouldn't just hope. There were steps that could be taken to work towards such a goal. The elimination of various brutes and philistines, for one. The great part about that was that one merely needed to point them toward a battlefield, and, given time, they would usually get the job done themselves. "That is a possibility, yes. Many Sith factions have, in the past, fallen due to infighting. That is one of the primary reasons why my fellow Sith must be persuaded to truly live up to the Code and embrace progress. I'm not saying that it would be easy, or that I alone would have much influence over such change, but it can be done. Of that I am sure. If the Sith can embrace such change, then I am convinced the increased unity, coupled with the superior power of the Sith, would land us a victory with acceptable certainty in the event of all-out war, though preventing such an event would, of course, be preferable in the extreme." Well, he was as sure as he could be that the Sith had the potential to change in such a manner. It certainly wouldn't be easy, or fast. But that didn't make it any more essential to the future of the Sith, and the Galaxy at large. Not to mention his own future, though he intended to have in place safeguards in the event of a Sith-Imperial collapse, however unfortunate it would be.

[member='Sky'ito Yumi']

 

[Sky'ito Yumi]

Really? that logic? such would be the same, with how wars are fought, 'you killed some people therefore we get to do that same' no what was not balance, just compensation, but she would answer."Um probably because of how inhuman the are, like the sword art forms your order teaches which focuses on limb removal and causing the opponent pain or just general powers that corrupt and eat away at peoples soul". "Though you probably don't realize it the more you use the dark side the more you become it's slave, the force being a power that can't be forced or controlled, those Sith that have tried to do so in the past usually get karmared really hard". "The point is balance does not come form using both extremes of the force, it comes from people knowing respecting and using powers that draw from both side... but who am I to talk, I use both side when it suits me, but that is my answer to you".

His talk abbout the Sith being to much into conflict just made Sukai wonder about this man, why did he join the order with these view? then again it was probably the only choice. Even if he did the First Order would probably use some indoctrinating method to have him be loyal only to the supreme leader, while the Galactic Empire was crumbling, only hanging on by a mere thread... politics where strange. "Once again you make sense but the talk about the week is not something I could agree with, if the Sith have that view and rule the galaxy then this peace you talk of won't exist, people would probably live in fear that the moment they stop being useful their life if forfeit, such is no way to live". More so considering cloning and how little humans lives matter to most higher ups in the Sith Empire such would be quite an all reaching feel under full imperial rule.

"Hmmm, just make sure your goal to seek all knowledge does not consume you, unlike me your life has a limit and it would be best to use it on something else once in a while lest you become locked up in a room with mountains of Holo books". Though this talk of reasonable minds was not something she had great hope in, smart yes, many Sith where sly and crafty, but understanding and being reasonable was not really one of them. "Of you do seek to live up to the code and follow it fully, then a war path is not really something I believe you should chose, nothing in the code talks about conquering or subjugation, in sense the first Sith where just as isolationist as the Je'daii, unless you will change that". "Though I will ask, if you do decide to follow the code and not what some Sith Lord says, will you remain fully in the dark? actually better question would be, can you forever remain in the dark"?

Many Sith who had distance themselves from the irking corruptness of the Dark council and higher up Sith Lords often became pulled towards the light and what if offered, if by choice or just general curiosity, and when that happened, well problems usually arose. "Well I will have to see you again some time to glean how your master plan is coming along... maybe I should make some Sith armor to blend in, would not be the first time I have pretended to be a Sith in order to sneak by". She had done the same when going to Koriban, visiting her home on occasions and other worlds of interest.

[member="Adrian Vandiir"]

 

[AMCO]

At that, he frowned slightly. "How is causing pain or maiming any worse than death? Pain is temporary, and maiming can at least be mended through, for example, cybernetics. Death? There is no commoning back from that. Well, not usually anyway. As for corrupting, well, that's a wise strategy in my eyes. Why kill your enemies when you can turn them to your side?" He would never be able to understand why so many people seem to think that pain is somehow worse than death. It wasn't pleasant, of course. But neither was dying. "You say that the dark side will make me a slave, and yet it is the Jedi who constantly fret and worry about the will of the force. It is the Jedi who constantly restrict themselves, who fear their own emotions and desires. Tell me, who is really the slave: The one who fears to lose what he has gained, or the one whose fear prevents him from gaining it in the first place?"

Ah, the old "reign of fear" argument. "Some Sith would certainly think in such directions, but that would hardly be an efficient way to rule the Galaxy, or anything, really. Fear is effective in the short run but is a poor foundation for a long-term undertaking. As for the weak, well, I never said I wanted them killed, did I? I see no reason why such would have to be the modus operandi. I have never been one for senseless death. There is no reason why weaker force-sensitives should not be allowed a... lesser, position. But the Sith themselves must maintain high standards of entry." Of course, actually convincing his fellow Sith of that would be... next to impossible. But that didn't mean he wasn't being honest about his own intentions.

Would he remain fully in the dark? Interesting question. Adrian was hardly an idealist, nor was he, in truth, all that committed to any one philosophy. He had, however, come to the conclusion that the dark side held the most power, concealed the most secrets. But, in the end, power was power. Not that he would readily accept that the light would be of any use. Conflicting sources, and all that. "Well, well. That's quite the question, don't you think? Some would start making claims about the infinite power of the dark side at this point, but in truth? In truth, I do not know. Not because I can see myself abandoning the dark side, but because I couldn't possibly know what the future entails. Visions and the like are far from my expertise, after all." Not that he couldn't make predictions based on a combination of information, instinct, and raw intuition, but true visions? Hardly.

Well, that was certainly an unconventional idea. Not that it wouldn't work. Well, it might, depending on a number of factors. "Hiding in plain sight, huh? I like it. Though if you knew how to conceal your presence in the force, that would probably be far more effective." Not that he had any idea how to do that himself. His own force presence was fairly obvious, to anyone who knew how to look.

"Indeed, though if you intend to stalk me..." How could he resist returning her little jab from earlier? "... I should probably introduce myself first. Adrian Vandiir, apprentice to Darth Sabezt and lover of all things esoteric, at your service." At that he made a slight, almost mocking, bow. It would seem that the conversation might be drawing to a halt, and she hadn't even activated her lightsaber once! If that wasn't a success, he didn't know what was. Certainly better than he had expected, considering how he had been preparing to jump for the open roof of the courtyard at the start of their encounter.

[member='Sky'ito Yumi']

 

[Sky'ito Yumi]

"Because those who suffer from such pain are often to broken to live, you cannot mend the mind as easily as a limb, that is how people often fall to the dark side as you said, being subjected to immense physical and mental torture", at that point it is worse then death. "I know, I have been been at deaths door so any times and struggle with the broken parts of my mind that with the slightest trigger turn me into a crazed literately blood thirsty killing machine, unless that is what you want, but if so I can not garentee your safety". Even her own family had to keep a wary eye on her in certain situations, probably the reason mother combed the galaxy for a year or two trying find the young Jin.

"There is a different between being forced and willing allowing one to take control, we submit to the force and work with it, let it guide our action but still retain full control, like a parent giving direction, unlike the dark side where people like you think you are forcing the power on your own, bending it to do your will, but in actually your mind is corrupted to think that and you wind up being controlled, and those that do manage to bend the force usually suffer back lash". That as the reasoning behind the constitution of the death star, not for controlling the galaxy but to fight against the force, at least that what her relative said, though even that did not work.

"You say you do not want fear and senseless killing to be used to rule, so why do even your core worlds that have not seen fighting in years still suffer from that? control of free speech, travel and trade, even a place like Dantooine suffers from that and it has a very spare population". "Beside I was not talking about force users, just people in general, those that the upper Sith would look down upon because of social standing, species, those sorts of things". "You cannon deny that fact that a large number of Sith see certain people as sub-human and do no care about how they are treated, just like the man raids your government has done against outer rim worlds when in need of slave to fuel your war machine and ship facilities". It was the main factor that prevented the Jedi and others from making attacks on the factory worlds of the Sith, the multitude of slave labor, most from Jedi and alliance controlled worlds, a human shield.

She shook her head, letting go of such thoughts for now, so far they had talked without the need for violence, that is not something that happened everyday, but in both sense each individual was different from the regulars that served in their order. "The future is forever in motion, but no one can be certain, I myself never thought I would become part of the Silver Jedi, but here I am, we can forge our own path but we must remember that others can intertwine and send us off into a different direction". Who knew, there was quite the possibility that some time in the future both individuals could be standing on opposite side, the Sith a Jedi and herself back to a Sith, anything could happen.

She raised an eye brow at the man comment of hiding in plain sight, "why would I need to hide my signature, it is passable as dark, similar yo your own, as it stand I have not met someone under the banner of the Sith in battle, or that I left the empire in the first place". "As it stand it is very believable that I a still the student of [member="Darth Ronan"], in fact I could return under explanation of his possible death or capture by bounty hunters, and if information arise about among looking like me among the Jedi, well what are twin brothers that you have not seen in year for". Along with her mother which looked very similar to both children, strong family resemblance, though she was able to hide her signature if need be.

"Stalk? well maybe, though I only stalk people I intend to bite", she replied at the Sith introduced himself as [member="Adrian Vandiir"], the bow being rather strange, but even though the two were enemies she would be polite as custom. Turning flat face to Afrin Sukai performed a deep bow, that shared with Atrisians and Jin, though that latter was still unknown among the galaxy, "Sukai'ito Yumi, former Sith apprentice to Darth Ronan, current Jedi Knight of the Silver Jedi Order, hajimemash'ite Vandiir-san". In that sentence it was plain to see her thick and fluent accent in both galactic basic and yuganese, herself standing straight once more looking at the new acquaintance.

 

[AMCO]

Raising his eyebrows slightly at her statement. "Oh, I think I prefer keeping my blood in my body, thank you very much." At that, he chuckled slightly, before continuing. "That being said, I think you might be overstating the efficiency of Sith combat techniques. Can they serve to corrupt. as you put it, one's opponents? Absolutely, if the opponent is weak enough or in a vulnerable state. Do they inflict anything that could be referred to as immense physical and mental torture? It is possible, though I think you might be referring to powerful sorcery, rather than something more common like Dun Möch." Of course, what his fellow Sith did after a battle might very well match such a description, but Adrian had little taste for such techniques. They were crude and barbaric, in his mind. Only suited to create expendable tools. It was distasteful. Wasteful, even.

"Indeed, the Force struggles. Like the raw strength of the storm, it chafes against attempts to bind it, but that does not mean it cannot be done. What is the various sciences of the Sith, from Sorcery to Alchemy, but attempts at bringing order to the Chaos that is the natural state of the universe? The Jedi believe in order, while the Sith create it. Order from Chaos. Volatile power bound and made to serve." In a way, it was about a balance, though not the kind the Jedi preached. Chaos was necessary for progress, but take it too far and there would be only anarchy. Order was necessary to maintain that which is already achieved, but take it too far and there would be only stagnation. Yes, it was all about balance, but the pragmatic, not the idealistic, kind.

"While that may be the case, the Empire treats its own citizens well enough. Granted, control is fairly tight, but that would surely be lessened if the threat of espionage and insurrection sponsored by external enemies was to be eliminated. The Empire would still be an orderly and fairly centralised state, don't get me wrong, but there would be room for more freedom for individuals. As for slave raids, well, that is unfortunate. It is not without reason, however. Our enemies have a tendency to consider civilians and other noncombatants in Imperial industry as valid targets, so adding some slaves could actually save the lives of civilians, though it would still be preferable to not have to resort to such means, of course." Of course, some would be used for test subjects as well, but there really was no reason for that. After all, there was plenty of enemies and criminals to use for such purposes. There was no reason to target innocents when you could utilise the guilty. It was only fitting that they do some good, rather than be executed outright.

Ah, a dead or missing master. That could indeed allow her to slip back into the Empire unnoticed, at least temporarily. It would be quite the gambit, though. Attracting the attention of the wrong Sith could quickly add badly for her, as, while dark enough, someone perceptive enough would likely be able to notice her extensive use of the light side. "You might be underestimating the extent of Sith and Military Intelligence alike have managed to learn, though what would I know. That is hardly anything I have been involved with in the slightest. For all I know, such a gambit might play out exactly as you might hope."

People she intended to bite, huh? He didn't know enough about the society and behaviour of energy vampires to know whether that was a threat, an empty statement, or even a compliment. That was, however, hardly surprising. They were a rare and secretive bunch, so information about them was not exactly particularly easy to come by. Oh well. Just because he didn't know now, didn't mean he wouldn't stumble across the information at a later date.

She returned his bow, in a less laid-back manner no less, though he didn't recognise the language by which she ended her little introduction. Perhaps a greeting of some kind, due to the mention of his name. Or an insult, it's not like he was much of a linguist. "That raises an interesting question. How did the apprentice of a Lord of the Sith come to join the Silver Jedi? I'm surprised they didn't attempt to decapitate you for using the Dark Side."

[member='Sky'ito Yumi']

 

[Sky'ito Yumi]

A sly smile appeared on Sukai's mouth, "you sure, if I do it juuuuust right being bitten is quite pleasurable, it is how us vampires are able to get so many 'willing' servants, though I will admit that such has never been my frotay". Bother yes and his wild antics, but not herself, well not yet anyways, the whole being a vampire was supposed to still be a secret anyways, would look strange if a huge crowd of people with bite marks on their neck tarted following her around all day. "It is not what you do to the opponent that makes the dark side dangerous, it is how it affects you, weather you believe more or not I know that the dark side will continue to eat away at your sole and insides". "The more you embrace it and push away the light the faster the corruption grows, your mind and physical appearance will change, just like creatures that have evolved to live in the dark". Even so the way he talked about corrupting people weaker in such a half hazard manner was a little creepy, like it was just an everyday thing to do, not a pleasant thought.

"You really believe the force cane be tamed? even though much more powerful and wise Sith in the past have tired the same, and failed"? "Though why must the Sith create chaos? what reasoning does it have to bring so much death? Like I said before balance it not each persons going to their extreme beliefs, that does not bring balance, no it only breaks the scales one it using to weigh". "If the Sith continue that ideal that balance is achieved as long as there are enough Jedi to try and counteract the chaos they make then you are a fool". Such thinking would only resulting in galaxy wide destruction, then no one would win.

"Perhaps it the Sith Empire was not declaring war on literately everyone then there would be no risk of espionage, but that does not excuse the fact many soldier and Sith among your ranks look down on those that they conquer". "Yes there are many who treat others as equals, but to many among your Empire believe themselves superior to others and teat them appallingly". At the mention of slave her tone started to tense up, a stern look on her face as she took a step closer, "and do not talk about disregard to civilians causalities, not when you empire deliberately targets non combatant on every military campaign" "Not when they are so willing to kill their own troops to secure victory, just like on Miral when you empire detonated that massive bomb with the sole purpose of taking out our grand-master, not caring about how many people they killed and then blaming it on us". She hated that about the Sith, they looked for the smallest fault in their enemies and jumped to conclusions straight away, but disregarded their own actions, waving it off like nothing had happened. It is why his talk of peace through conquest would not work, people remembered, and no matter how hard the Sith would try the could no cover up the things that did, that was why people resisted, fro freedom, justices, but most of all... for revenge.

She let out a small sigh before the Sith continued to talk about her former master, "I doubt the Sith have many spies on the Silver Jedi, you may have done the same with the Galactic Alliance, rumors about 1/4 of their Jedi being Sith, but the Silvers are much different, besides I doubt your Empire has the time to waste keeping track of one meager knight like me". Not that they kept track of half their own members either, there where many Sith lords that often just went out on their own, like that one that attacked Lothal for no reason, the one here she was talking to and many more. "But I should be careful regardless, perhaps Grand Mother cane help, she is a Sith Lord after all and may have some insight into your empire".

The conversation quickly shifted back to her membership of the Silver Jedi, one that was rather, different to talk about, she contemplated not saying, as it could prove to be problematic in the vulture, but these days the Silver where very careful on who the let in. "My Sith teacher was an explorer of types, I met him on Korriban a few years ago, and once again on Mandalore when trying to steal... well that not important". "He was a very... pratical teacher, want to learn froce lighting, her shock you until you got the hang of it, same with most other powers, very casual too, just letting me wander off and do as a please as long as I reported in and returned one in a while". All in all not a bad deal, and being a vampire any damage he had done was not lasting, sort of like her mothers, quite practical.

"So I often stopped by on Voss, more or less just hung around, participated in open training sessions, duels and much more, over time my face became recognizable, I started to learn peoples names and vice versa, myself accompanying them on non-combat mission". "Eventually they trusted me and I became an unofficial member in a sense until a Jedi mater from my home world noticed me and took me to be their Padawan". A very unorthodox but interesting method to become a Jedi, but then again such was probably not going to happen again, well at least not with the Silver Jedi it wouldn't. "Eventually I decided to break things off with my Sith master, that did not go down well, but my mother was there to... sort things out you could say, and from that day onward I was among the Silver Jedi, dose that answer your question".

[member="Adrian Vandiir"]

 

[AMCO]

That was, indeed, a fair point. The entropic effects of the dark side where well documented, though not everyone seemed to be affected as heavily, or even at all. Perhaps it was how they channelled it, or which emotions they pulled on to fuel it. Whatever it was, he had every intention of discovering the truth. While he did thirst for power, rotting from the inside was hardly an appealing concept. Still, everyone died. Eventually. He had no doubt that pursuing the arts of the Sith was the best way of postponing that tragic inevitability as much as possible. "That is unfortunate but true. That being said, I have no intention of simply giving up and accepting the inevitable; the secret to channelling the immense power of the Dark Side while counteracting its entropic effect is out there, I'm sure. I just need to find it." Perhaps she was right about the light side... though not in the way she thought. Even if it was inferior in strength to the Dark, it could be used to fuel lesser displays of power. To supplement the Dark Side, almost like the backup reactor on a Starship. Interesting. He would have to look into that possibility.

"Why, I agree with you on the chaos front. That being said, I don't really see much of an alternative. All collateral damage is truly unfortunate, but, if we are being honest, is there ever going to be peace between the Jedi and the Sith? I dare say it is highly unlikely. Is it not better, then, to wage all-out war in order to bring the galaxy under the Sith, than to extend a needlessly destructive conflict? The end goal of the Sith Empire is not chaos, after all, but to bring the rule of law to every corner of this lawless galaxy." As for balance, well, what was balance. The Jedi claimed it was their philosophy, as did the Je'daii, and the Sith simply didn't give a damn. Arbitrary, was what it was. Though he doubted she could be persuaded of that.

"It is clear what you think about the Sith Empire, but I would argue that is unfounded. Our citizens are treated well enough and it is for them that the Empire wages war. Or have you forgotten how the Jedi tend to treat Sith worlds that fall under their heel? In ancient times, they carried out a genocide of immense proportions on the Sith populace, innocent and guilty alike. In recent years, the proud and ancient Korriban City was brought to its knees at the hand of Jedi aggression. With such hatred facing the Sith and the people of our worlds, I would argue that a little aggression can easily be justified as a pre-emptive defensive measure." Perhaps in a galaxy unified under the Sith Empire, there could finally be peace. True peace. Still, that was not something that would happen anytime soon. Not with how much resistance they were facing from the ignorant and the idealistic.

Nodding slightly, he conceded the point. "Fair enough. I'm sure the various intelligence services have plenty of other things to keep them occupied." Of course, a number of Sith had intelligence operations of their own, but they were notoriously uncooperative when it came to sharing information, so they rarely benefited the Empire as a whole.

Raising his eyebrows slightly, he chuckled briefly. "It does indeed answer my question well enough. An... unconventional story, to be sure. I'm surprised the Silver Jedi were so open to someone who would likely have a noticeably dark signature. I would have thought it more likely that they attack you on sight. Though perhaps they were hoping to gain some insider information into the affairs of the Sith."

[member='Sky'ito Yumi']

 

[Sky'ito Yumi]

Was there a way to counter act the strange over aging effect of the dark side? maybe, mother had not seemed to be affected by it, but then again being a vampire and all one 'appearance' was actually a personal choice, sort of a mask from what their kind looked like ages ago. Then again it may just be due to the fact her immediate family members had not fully embrace the dark side, but regardless Adrian did raise a good point. "Well, if you need help with that I may be able to lend a hand, if you die, I can keep hold of the information and pass it onto any one willing to follow in your foot steps, weather it be 10 years from now, 100, 1000 or more". "It is quite and interesting topic that I am sure many would want to learn about, mainly those certain female Sith I see that like to wear.... minimal clothing". Guess that was part of the 'passion' Sith liked, or just some way to teas Jedi.

"I agree in some aspect, Jedi and Sith can not coexist peacefully, Jedi and dark side users can, it has been proven and works, but the Sith code and way of thinking to greatly conflicts with even the Silver Jedi, who are the most welcoming of dark siders and former Sith". More so then the Republic Remnant who even go to far as to try and dissuade Jedi members from even interacting with people who are known to be friends with dark siders, despite their allegiance. "But I cannot condone the Sith actions, regardless of what it seeks to do, that does not justify what it does and it's disregarded for neutral systems". "Over all the Sith more displaces chaos, bringing your idea of peace to a world by taking away from others".

"So you are telling me that your citizens, like the fact their money is going towards a war machine that will end other peoples lives? I can be certain that many would not think highly of funding the destructive campaigns of your armies". "Especially those that lost loved ones during your annexation of other planets, I highly doubt many Serreno like to see their efforts go to such means", almost half the planet being reduced to a no mans land with the combine assault of the Resurgent Sith and later the TSE when the dominion finally fell. "And once again you bring up the past, those Jedi from thousands of yers ago are not the one's today, the Jedi have changed vastly from back then, but you Sith do not, and the aggression that the Sith have faced recently pale in comparison to your own action even before the events happened".

"Your empire is like a bully at school that constancy punched other kids and then when then one has the balls to turn around to smack you back you proceed to curb stomp them to near death". "I would hardly ever call aggression from the Sith 'light', any attack from your army or navy leave the attacked planet in ruins and major cities burning". Even if the Sith managed to take over the galaxy, the time, money and effort needed to restore attacked planets back to full working order would take decades, more so since did not have much interest in doing it now. Dantooine was still littered with destructed villagers and other area's Sereeno still lay in ruins, Miral was still under major zombie threat, Felusia with major forest burnt down. In the end the Sith would either be to distracted trying to re build that their empire falls apart from the inside, or that they do nothing and people rise up and rebel.

Sukai let out another sigh, having once again getting a little worked up, the current conversation being a roller coaster of emotions, argument and actual conversation, perhaps she should have recorded this. "... I think you have a very skewed Idea on Jedi these day, yes some among the Silver Order are a little extreme", a small flash back to a beach walk where a Padawan had attack a dark Jedi that mother had been talking to, "but most are willing to give them a chance". "Remember, I did say a few current Jedi are former Sith Lords and knights, if that can happen a wander darkish force user is nothing, well unless they had access to my criminal record... but that's not important".

[member="Adrian Vandiir"]

 

[AMCO]

"Heh, well, let's hope it doesn't come to that... " That was the goal of every true sorcerer, was it not? To conquer the unconquerable, death itself. Of course, it was rarely successful, but that hardly meant that he was going to simply give up. It had been done before, and it could be done again. "... though even I must admit, death is not an easy thing to overcome." Then again, if everyone could do it, chaos would reign. "As for those who prefer to proudly display their physique, well, there are easier ways to maintain such simple joys as beauty." Alchemy, perhaps the most prominent amongst them. He already had a solution in mind for both those problems. Essence transfer. He did not know it, not yet, but he would. There were plenty of problems that would need to be resolved, but Adrian had never suffered from a lack of confidence. Of course, that was not a plan he would share with a Jedi. They were all too frequently obsessed with their precious natural order.

"The Sith do have a tendency of overeager warfare, that much is true, but I think you are dismissing the Empire's motivations too readily. The Sith-Imperial Legion is made up of volunteers, not conscripts, professionals, not meat for the butchery. Our taxes are reasonable. Our citizens, as a general rule, are safe. Perhaps, in an ideal galaxy, the Empire would be content to stay in our little corner of the galaxy. But the galaxy is far from ideal. When enemies surround one from every direction, taking the offensive is the best way of keeping the fight in their space, not ours. It's not ideal. Hell, it's downright repugnant, at times. But it is hardly the wanton evil you consider it to be. It is hardly war for the sake of war, death for the sake of death." The Jedi themselves seemed to believe in and act according to an ideal that some sacrifice was necessary for the greater good. The only difference being that they were more idealistic in their approach. Which made them all the more dangerous. There was nothing more dangerous than an idealist backed into a corner. A pragmatist would cut their losses, but an idealist? He would fight to the bitter end, likely bringing many others with him into the grave while doing so. That was the story behind the League of Voss, after all. The story behind the rebellion, the resistance, and the countless other similar organisations. Even the Silver Jedi themselves, to an extent.

"Well then, do tell. Which planets do the Sith leave in ruins? If you look closely, I think you'll find that many of them were tearing themselves apart from within without any interference from the Sith. I'm not saying that the acts of aggression committed by the Sith Empire are justified in the short run, I never have. I do, however, firmly believe that, in the long run, the rule of the Sith Empire would lead to less death, not more. Less destruction, not more. To a safer, more law-abiding, galaxy. To a galaxy united enough to crush vile scum like the Hutts, and the countless other villains and scoundrels hiding under their foul wing, under an iron boot." In the end, the Sith Empire, at least in its current iteration, represented law. It represented order. It represented clarity of purpose, in a galaxy gone mad. There had been sacrifices along the way. There would be many more to come. But in the end, it was worth every one of them. It was worth it to create a New Order unburdened by the festering corpse that was the Galactic Alliance, the self-righteous hypocrites that were the Jedi. A new start. A clean slate. Sometimes, one had to tear down what came before, in order to achieve the greater things to come.

Chuckling slightly following the comment about her criminal record, he mulled over that statement for a while, before responding. "That may very well be true. To be honest, you are the first Jedi I have met, though I have studied parts of your philosophy and history. That being said, I highly doubt they would be so understanding when it comes to those choosing to pursue the great arts of sorcery and alchemy to their full extent, regardless of petty taboos and deep-seated fears. I dare say that the Jedi dedication to the so-called "natural order" would make that a very unlikely thing indeed. Besides, I know well that your kind, or at least more conventional Jedi, have a tendency to seek to destroy relics and knowledge of the dark side. Fear of it falling into the "wrong hands", and all that. Arbitrarily defined according to the Jedi's own views, of course."

[member='Sky'ito Yumi']

 

[Sky'ito Yumi]

"Hope, never thought I would hear that come from a Sith, but how know, no one can predict the exact future, never hurts to have a fail safe", the main reason why her family had started the whole archiving things. A sort of back up in case the galaxy was plunged into a war that destroyed most knowledge about the force and history, or if a plague like the one a few hundred years ago became rampant once more. "Death not easy to overcome? I seem to be doing an excellent job at it" Sukai cooed with a sarcastic tonne to her almost immortal life span, but also knowing that even when she did die, there where ways to keep presence in their world. Still the way some Sith displayed their beauty, mainly women, seemed more like a kink or fetish then anything else, but to each their own even if it did seem to have little use on the battle field.

"The legion may, but troopers and other soldiers I know are not, I have seen Sith soldiers kill surrender Rangers and civilians on the battle field many times weather it be orders or their own choice". "As for taxing, I am not sure it is equal all around, I bet those in higher standings get taxed less then people on a lower standing, non humans probably being among those, and the fact your taxes go to funding military projects and not to the people that pay them seem rather indignant". "Though you claim that the military conquest is no evil and about destruction you can hardly speak for those that do wish it, and even so it does not make it right to want the absolute destruction of your enemies to the point the words they ruled are as desolate as Tatooine". It seemed the Sith greatly underestimated how long it look a civilization to recover from such an even, not only would building need to be remade, people would have to procreate, infrastructure restored, natural environments brought back and so fourth, Such took much more time and money then it did to make a new settlement. Still even then the way of living would still be very different, and if it was a Jedi ruled world of one that opposed Sith rule those living on it would no doubt be subjected to oppression, regardless of if the Empire really wanted everyone to be equal and happy.

"You want worlds? how about half of the Dominion, yes in the latter years it fell into ruin but that was due to the Sith attacks and the fact their military was unable to help those in need, most of it's core worlds now shadows of their former self". "Felusia, an outpost planet that was left largely untouched by the Silver Jedi, but upon the attack on Miral the Sith blew up half the planets forest down and killed everyone on the planet". "What about the recent attack on the Jedi home world where the Sith burnt down several the Wokkie villages, and that is only scratching the surface". There where many more she could talk about, here on Dantooine, what the Sith did on Miral, the combine attacks between the First Order and Sith on Ossua, the list was almost endless, and just kept on increasing if the Resurgent Empire that ruled from Korriban could be counted, which was not integrated into the Sith Empire. "As for your belief, guess I will see for myself in 200 years time, though I would not have anyway to let you know about that... unless you have children of course". Still the believe that killing others to make sure those in the future could live happy was not something she could agree with. A looming feeling that a young child growing up told that the only reason he was able to live a nice life was that trillions of other people had to die was not a bright idea.

She just stared at the Sith for a few moments, slightly face palming, "How many times do I have to say.. I... AM... NOT... A... J'E'D'I.. you sounds just like the last Sith I talked to on a subject like this". "Though I think you misunderstanding that their is light side alchemy, that has different results and uses, like healing, Sith healing only works by draining someone else life, while Jedi healing can mend wounds and subdue pain without that need". "Magic as a whole has not light side or dark side, and there are light side spells and sorcery types to use, most of which give the same results as your dark side teachings but don't involve a sacrifice of some sort".

"As for relics, the Shadow Jedi of old where like that, but most Jedi usually seek to contain it elsewhere like myself, though I would like to point out the Sith do the same, but often destroy it and make sure that no one learns of it ever". "The Jedi often teach the dangers that come with the Dark side and also explain things about it, but to each their own, just let me know when you wind up looking like Palpatine". Her voice one again a little joking, but also being true, the more he delved into the dark side the more physical effects would become apparent on his skin, unless Adrian master force illusion of some sort.

[member="Adrian Vandiir"]

 

[AMCO]

Chuckling slightly, Adrian flashed her a wry smile. "Not easy for those of us not born with extraordinarily long lifespans, then." That did give him an interesting idea: perhaps Energy Vampires could be used as a starting point for such an effort, though finding test subjects, willing or otherwise, would be quite the challenge.

Sighing in exasperation, he shook her head, almost as if in disbelief. "There we go again with that odd impression that the Empire mistreats non-humans. I haven't the foggiest where it might originate from, but it couldn't be further from the truth. The Emperor himself is a near-human, and the head of the Saaraishash is not even humanoid. It's almost as if you people want the Sith Empire to discriminate against non-humans in order to provide justification for actions taken to oppose us." After another overly dramatic sigh, he continued. "As for those in higher standings being taxed less, well, that's probably true, though the same can be said for most interstellar governments. The same can be said for funding military projects: Are you claiming that the Silver Jedi Order doesn't spend as large a percentage of the budget, if not more, on their own military?" That was not even mentioning the fact that such a large military was necessary to protect the SE from its countless enemies, though he doubted she would find such an argument particularly persuasive, seeing as she could likely be categorised as one of those enemies.

Felucia? Now, where had he heard that name before? Some wild world, if he was not mistaken. Filled with dangerous fauna and lacking anything to draw his interest. "It is all a process, one can hardly expect peace to be restored overnight. Still, I have no doubt that the Imperial Mission is doing everything they can to bring these worlds into the fold, even if there is still some resistance. As for Felucia, well, I have no idea. I have barely heard of the planet, let alone an orbital bombardment of it." Whatever had happened to it, it mattered little in the grand scheme of things. The world would recover eventually and in the meantime, there were bound to be countless more like it; there had never been a scarcity of habitable worlds in their fair galaxy, after all.

It would seem like he had hit a nerve. She walked among the Jedi but was vehement about not considering herself as one. Interesting. "Well then, since you feel so strongly about this, what would you call yourself?" Not a Grey Jedi then, he assumed, or she wouldn't react so strongly. Perhaps she just refused to be placed into one category or another, for whatever reason.

"I fear you might be mistaken in regards to what the Dark Side can and cannot do; while it is difficult to heal someone with it without draining another, that does not mean it cannot be done. As for Alchemy practised by lightsiders, why, I would encourage that! The same goes for sorcery! Both of these arts are intrinsically connected to the will of the shaper, rather the supposed will of the Force. Perhaps if such arts gain traction, the Jedi can finally abandon their fanatic devotion to the natural order, the will of the Force, and similar fallacies. To me, it matters little what the source is; Light Side, Dark Side, it is all the Force, and can all be used to achieve one's goals. That being said, I would still argue that the Dark Side is the more effective tool."

Shrugging slightly, he responded with a tinge of sadness in a tone. "... and I have no excuses for those kinds of actions, nor do I seek to excuse them. Knowledge should be preserved, not destroyed, regardless of source. Some Sith would certainly feel otherwise, but they can burn in the fires of Chaos for all I care. Any enemy of knowledge is an enemy of mine, though I most certainly have no intention of starting any kind of civil strife, even if I had the power to do so."

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[member="Sky'ito Yumi"]

 

[Sky'ito Yumi]

"Yes... hmm perhaps me and my vampire brethren should exterminate or mortals so or race rules over the galaxy, that way rule peace will come" she replied in a joking manner. Still she did wonder what it would be like if the entire galaxy could live for a few thousand years, mass conversion of the species on all planets, turning every into energy vampires.

"Hmm the empire mistreating non human, probably from every other past empire that did mistreat non-humans, unless they where powerful Sith Lords or useful and that it is clear that ever if you don't relive it I've seen quite a few Sith Troopers and Sith Knights that say their are superior to other races". "Just because you ruler is a non humans does not automatically mean that everyone just forgets about their feelings for them". He sure like to give a lot of sigh though, "and no, the Silver Jedi do not take taxes, we don't 'rule' the worlds we apparently rule, you know with a iron fist of tyranny". "Almost all the money we use in our military comes from private businesses and personal funds members give, no taxing, and quite a lot of it goes to the medical research and civil development". How else was their order able to constantly recover from attack after attack while many Sith worlds where still recovering?

He had never heard of Felusia? that was surprising since it was attacked in direct response to the Silver Jedi's operation to take Mirial, unless, "Oh so your government covered up the extermination they did there? the revenge attack, sure show how much you know about your government". A little step up, a power that kept information away from it's own people was not one to trust, and she could tell that the Sith Empire was not telling this man a lot. Still it seemed he was quite solid in beliefs, it would probably be impossible to change his mind, only when or if he saw that everything the Sith did had over all negative effects.

What would she call herself? that was a strange question, but did she need to call herself anything, "I do not follow a coed besides that of the Riben-Jin, so I am a Samurai, a Samurai force users, does that answer your question"? That was if [member="Adrian Vandiir"] even knew what a Samurai was, such a title did not have wide spread recognition, and even then those making up the feudal style class where often not force users, but when it came to using her gift she was grey. "Or you can just call be Grey, just Grey, nothing more nothing less".

"If you do no drain someone else power and life force to heal with the dark side then that is not dark side healing, in that case you are doing it from a grey source and not the dark side". "Also I think you should see someone versed in alchemy, I've been taught by a few Dark Side masters that refused to teach me certain skills because they where of the dark side, certain enhancement methods and so forth". "You must also have never touched a light side infused object or something made my light side alchemy, because those would cause you to feel sick and ever pain". "So yes, there are differences between the two, and I believe that the light side is more powerful in time, yes that dark gives more power quicker but over all the light is stronger, my brother will prove that right in time once he has become a master".

"Look at the end of the day we have our own views, we can stand her and argue for the next 80 years, we will see in time if you still hold true to your words, perhaps you will change the Sith from the inside, perhaps you will fall to the dark and wind up throwing your morals out the door". "Perhaps I will join the Sith empire under my Sith alias and stalk you, or maybe have my great great grandmother keep tabs". So far this had been the most engaging conversation with a Sith yet, most just wanting to kill her and make her family suffer.


[member="Adrian Vandiir"]

 

[AMCO]

At her comment, he chuckled softly, a slight grin on his face. Adrian could only imagine how stagnant the galaxy would become if its entire sentient population had an expected lifespan of thousands of years. The number of longlasting grudges and feuds would be equally astounding.

Sighing dramatically, Adrina shook his head in genuine exasperation. "The. Sith. Empire. Is. Not. The. Galactic. Empire. Of. Old. It is absurd how many times this is stated, only to fall on deaf ears. The Legionnaires and Sith Knights you mention have a high rate of nonhumans among them, higher than many core world militaries if I'm not mistaken. There are things that are worthy of criticism of how the Sith Empire operates, but humanocentric specism is not one of them." At her second statement, he furrowed his brows slightly, then chuckled sarcastically. "Sure. If you think the Silver Jedi Order is able to maintain its considerable armed forces through donation alone, then you're free to believe that." Even if it was highly improbable.

Shrugging slightly, his expression turned quizzical. "Possibly? I know about Thyferra though, and that was beyond brutal. More than likely, it was either not official retribution or simply not important enough to draw widespread attention in the Empire at large." Seriously, why would he care about some backwater world? Far more populous and important places had burned under the Sith's baleful gaze, which was unfortunate, but also necessary. Retribution might be distasteful, but it was an effective tool in preventing further attacks on Sith-Imperial territory.

A samurai, huh? Not a concept he had ever heard of, though there were plenty of obscure force orders. Grey, on the other hand, he could understand, but why she was so reluctant to be called a Grey Jedi was beyond him. It wasn't as if the term referred to any real adherence to the Jedi code, at least in and of itself. "It doesn't exactly make me any wiser, but if that's what you choose to call yourself, then be my guest. I've never been one to consider codes more than firm guidelines, anyway."

"So you say, and yet healing talismans are indisputably born from the dark side, and the dark side alone. As for which side is more powerful, well, that's the eternal debate, isn't it? Some claim that the Light is more powerful over time, as you do, but I would argue that the deepest reaches of Sith Sorcery more than make up for an allegedly superior potential." After all, true masters of sorcery could bend legions to their will, shape the biosphere of entire planets to their every whim, destroy entire fleets singlehandedly, and even defy death itself time and time again.

At her mention of him "falling" to the dark side, his mouth quirked upwards in an ironic smile. Fall to the Dark Side indeed. Perhaps she was not aware, but he was already more immersed in the Dark Side than many of his fellow Acolytes, even if he didn't behave like it. A healthy interest in the secrets of the Dark coupled with a fondness for extended stays in Sith tombs had a tendency to do that to a young Sith. "True, true. At the end of the day, the only person who can change our views is ourself. The future, whatever it may be, remains elusive. I could certainly speculate as to when and if we will meet again, but who knows? I guess we'll just have to see."

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[member="Sky'ito Yumi"]