Enhanced Armor

[Jeron Verity]

Something I've been planning for a little while now, and some people have said it's over powered. I haven't went to judges specifically with all the specifications, so here's the entire layout


Materials: Cortosis, Laminanium, Turadium
Abilities:
- Shocks nervous system to grab the users attention towards a specific area (Example: If an individual came up from behind, sensors would pick them up, use a small amount of electricity to spark the nerves on the users back. Probably Medium range Heat Sensors)
- Increases the users speed to a running speed of 30mph max
- Internal computer and targeting system if using compatible ranged weaponry (Example: Can predict distance to locked on target and help adjust aiming for better accuracy, not guaranteed accuracy)

Negatives:
Large and unstable power supply, causing adverse effects on the body that are permanent, prolonged use can kill the user (Multiple uses, probably 5+)



Intent: Use in conjunction with a lightsaber and Ysalamir when fighting Force-users, if prepared, for defensive purposes.

 

[Jeron Verity]

I'll request observations from Judges, if they wouldn't mind.
[member="Bianca"] | [member="Netherworld"] | [member="Pixel"] | [member="Gir Quee"] | [member="Darth Vulkan"]

 

[Laira Darkhold]

[member="Galven Solomon"]
This isn't a lot of Info to go on.

So far I don't see anything crazy

 

[Jeron Verity]

[member="Darth Vulkan"]


Could you inform me of anything I might be missing, things you would think about? Thanks for the response

 

[Netherworld]

[member="Galven Solomon"]

I suggest you fill out the actual armor template, and then we can give you proper feedback.

But +1 on [member="Darth Vulkan"], seems okay so far.

 

[Jeron Verity]

[member="Netherworld"]


Thank you.

 

[Gir Quee]

I agree with what the other FJs have said. As well...

- Shocks nervous system to grab the users attention towards a specific area (Example: If an individual came up from behind, sensors would pick them up, use a small amount of electricity to spark the nerves on the users back. Probably Medium range Heat Sensors)

While I'm the end-all authority on this, I'd recommend expanding how this works.

Is this just an general electric shock anywhere to give sensation to kind of tap you on the shoulder? Or is this a direct connection into the nervous system itself to give a person sort of a "6th sense"?

 

[Jeron Verity]

[member="Gir Quee"]


Tap on the shoulder, but it's supposed to be so strong it constricts the muscles, making you twitch toward it.

 

[ADM. Reshmar]

- Shocks nervous system to grab the users attention towards a specific area (Example: If an individual came up from behind, sensors would pick them up, use a small amount of electricity to spark the nerves on the users back. Probably Medium range Heat Sensors)

You could use an enhanced ablative circuit to achieve this. It would also increase the strength of the armor. But you will need to make sure you have an insulating layer to keep it from frying your nervous system also.

 

[The End Narrator]

So this would operate in the way a TENS Unit does - minus the medical application and more so towards protection/awareness?

A TENS unit is a small, portable, battery-powered device. The TENS unit uses mild, safe electrical signals to help control pain. Electrodes (sticky patches) are placed on your skin. The TENS unit sends painless electrical signals through the electrodes to the nerves under your skin.

 

[Jeron Verity]

[member="Pixel"]


I suppose sort of? The shocking pathes, are more the the entire inner workings of the suit, which would he something like an exoskeleton or full body armored suit.

I think I might add environmental protection, like from liquids and poison, but not advisable to use in space

 

[The End Narrator]

I can dig it.

I really don't see any issue directly outright but without full information - I cannot obviously judge it.

[member="Galven Solomon"]

 

[Julius Sedaire]

I'm not an FJ, but just a medical professional.. And honestly? There are matters from a physiological perspective that don't stack here. A simple TENS unit just provides a small, mild shock to the musculature which causes it to contract. The problems with these machines, and why they largely fell out of favor by almost everyone excepting Rehab, which is infamous for dubious practices anyhow, was the lack of control and direction of the shock they emit. Speaking of the neurological system, it doesn't work quite as simply as anyone here is thinking. You need an external stimuli to start the unit(a sword or bullet moving to them), you need a sensor to detect the stimuli, some sort of harm/non harm eval process(more on that later), and then something to send an impulse along the correct neurons being made to fire in the correct path/sequence(again, more later), which would then cause the twitch in the right direction.

Honestly? There isn't much of a way to make this work. You're trying to mechanize Force Sense. The idea of Force Sense itself from a science perspective is pure handwavium. The big question where this all breaks down from a Tech IDea is the sensor that would take an external stimuli, recognize it, and then send the impulse. How will it recognize a harmless impulse from a harmful one? How will it sort of 'white noise' of various sounds, radiations, and particulates floating in the air (dust, flies, etc..). If you make a plain jane sensor to take in the impulses and farm out reactions, that is your big issue. If you don't deal with that I can just spray an aerosol can in your general direction and you will end up having a massive brain hemorrhage or seizure from the overload of electrical impulses. And if you use size as a determinant, things like dart launchers and micro-droids or such will eat you alive PVP wise. Or probably any slug-thrower.

The next issue is that you are still limited by the speed of the neurological system pathways. In all likelyhood by the time your nervous systems receives this signal, processes it as harmless or harmful, and then sends a signal up the neurons to the brain for a signal back out (or just activates local muscle groups via tons of mini receptors all over, which could cause cardiac and pulmonary issues and seizures) for movement... If it's a bullet, or a blade or anything at terminal velocity type speeds... You're dead already.

A shotgun, for example, would be hell on anyone wearing this. As would an acid sprayer and other such weapons like flak/flechette.

Cool idea, but it will have a lot of weaknesses to exploit if you go forward, and you should probably be aware if they are exploited.. Medically speaking you're gonna have a bad time.

 

[The End Narrator]

I'm not an FJ, but just a medical professional.. And honestly? There are matters from a physiological perspective that don't stack here. A simple TENS unit just provides a small, mild shock to the musculature which causes it to contract. The problems with these machines, and why they largely fell out of favor by almost everyone excepting Rehab, which is infamous for dubious practices anyhow, was the lack of control and direction of the shock they emit. Speaking of the neurological system, it doesn't work quite as simply as anyone here is thinking. You need an external stimuli to start the unit(a sword or bullet moving to them), you need a sensor to detect the stimuli, some sort of harm/non harm eval process(more on that later), and then something to send an impulse along the correct neurons being made to fire in the correct path/sequence(again, more later), which would then cause the twitch in the right direction.

Honestly? There isn't much of a way to make this work. You're trying to mechanize Force Sense. The idea of Force Sense itself from a science perspective is pure handwavium. The big question where this all breaks down from a Tech IDea is the sensor that would take an external stimuli, recognize it, and then send the impulse. How will it recognize a harmless impulse from a harmful one? How will it sort of 'white noise' of various sounds, radiations, and particulates floating in the air (dust, flies, etc..). If you make a plain jane sensor to take in the impulses and farm out reactions, that is your big issue. If you don't deal with that I can just spray an aerosol can in your general direction and you will end up having a massive brain hemorrhage or seizure from the overload of electrical impulses. And if you use size as a determinant, things like dart launchers and micro-droids or such will eat you alive PVP wise. Or probably any slug-thrower.

The next issue is that you are still limited by the speed of the neurological system pathways. In all likelyhood by the time your nervous systems receives this signal, processes it as harmless or harmful, and then sends a signal up the neurons to the brain for a signal back out (or just activates local muscle groups via tons of mini receptors all over, which could cause cardiac and pulmonary issues and seizures) for movement... If it's a bullet, or a blade or anything at terminal velocity type speeds... You're dead already.

A shotgun, for example, would be hell on anyone wearing this. As would an acid sprayer and other such weapons like flak/flechette.

Cool idea, but it will have a lot of weaknesses to exploit if you go forward, and you should probably be aware if they are exploited.. Medically speaking you're gonna have a bad time.

I think that is why we're saying we need more information.

I just threw out the TENS unit as a real life example to compare to?

If that makes sense.

 

[Julius Sedaire]

The reason why we don't have anything better than a TENS for therapy? The idea is great... We just don't have enough control or knowledge of it's functions to work it. Now granted... It is Star Wars. You could handwave past it. I'm just saying anyone with a sonic weapon is gonna be hell on this. Anyone with a flak/chaff weapon or slug thrower will be too. Mainly because this suit would detect tens of hundreds or thousands of projectiles, make twitches, and your neurlogical system would go into shock, and you'd die. Because that much electricity in your system kills you. At the very least you're talking cardiac arrest.

It's a cool idea. But it would be best to remove the twitch part and more deliver a signal to the brain something is coming from 10-20 meters out (stopped by walls) so you can realize it and try to move on your own. Automated responses will be the big problem.

[member="Pixel"]

 

[Jeron Verity]

[member="Julius Sedaire"]

I think if I read cotrectly, you are right. The heat sensor unit would detect a specific variable range of heat probably 20-30 degrees in difference from the average human body heat. Once detected, it would communicate with the computer integration to translate the information into shocks. Forgive me that I don't know much about the force, or the fact Force Sense is a thing, I'm not an avid force dabbler, so I try and do realistic things. Try.


And yes, this generic heat sensor device means he could jot be among his allies or friends. Anyone or anything nearby that presents body heat within range would set it off, and environmental temperature I'm sure would affect it and cause problems.

It's not a 24/7 suit, it's not supposed to be 'Im a tank' suit. It's a last resort suit. It in combination with the other items, woukd make Galven feel he can have a chance at surviving a force users attack, because he's extremely afraid of their power
fething Kylo and what he does to blaster bolts

 

[Julius Sedaire]

[member="Galven Solomon"] - I have some ideas that would act similar to this. They wouldn't involve tech, but would involve Jal Shey type things that woudl enhance your mental reaction times. Jal Shey works even for NFU. I even have a NFU who could help you with that, as he has a sword that serves similar purpose as this armor. Hit me up in a PM on [member="Ijaat Akun"] and we'll talk about it. Or check his bio and his 'Kyr'vhetin' weapon, to see the concept and if it works. But the avenue you are going is just going to lead to killing your character from neurological overload as it stands.

 

[Jeron Verity]

[member="Julius Sedaire"]


As something else to note, I am taking Galvens age into this idea. The reason why I don't do any sort of brain link is because either way, Galven has horrible reaction time.

Being jerked and facing the area where someone is comibg, seeing how they are attacking can give Galven a better chance to counter or guard in a faster manner.

Being told behind you! he has to turn around and see what's going on, if he realizes what's going on. As said, it's not a great project, especially for extended use. It's also more plot armor than world conquering

 

[Jeron Verity]

[member="Julius Sedaire"]


Longterm use was always intended to be fatal, but I can check out what you have. Can you teach Lightsaber forms as well?

 

[Julius Sedaire]

[member="Galven Solomon"] - Julius here could. But Ijaat could teach you NFU techniques. His entire schtick has been, thus far, a NFU who can kick a FU's arse if needed. I probably got something for almost every dirty trick an FU can think of, damn near.