Faction Name Change?

[Calo Xenrus]

While I don't mind either way, I think we're fine as we are. One Sith just seems to fit better other than like Sith Empire or something. Not unless we wind up with more controlled terrioty in space.

 

[Grrwunhoooll Agaburry]

#EmpireofTheOneSithNewOrderofDarkness

Haha. Will give our Enemies a Mouthful

 

[Reverance]

#OneSith #cantstopwontstop

 

[sabrina]

ultimate reason not to change

Both the sith empire and the new order failed and died, why copy failure

 

[Zac Grayson]

Sith Empire

 

[Garza]

[member="sabrina"],

Let it be known, the title "One Sith" is also a canon name that was once used for a group of Sith most notable of them is Darth Talon, (Because of her nice Assets) And yet, they too, failed.

So any of the above names, while yes they did fall, would work fine. Because in the end, Our own faction will fall. Its inevitable. Anything that grows will wither, anything that lives, will die.

 

[J3C0]

WHAT IS DEAD CAN NEVER DIE.

 

[Maximilian Jens]

We do a Dominion / Invasion / Big Faction thing and say we're the Sith Empire after wrecking face as the One Sith? Not much sense to do that. The successor of the Sith Empire? Yeah, we clearly are, but why change our name because we've been the most successful Dark Side faction?

Yes, because the name Sith Empire carries a lot of weight - both in canon and on this board. It symbolizes the time when the Sith and the Imperials were united in what was once the most dominant faction on the board. It's always interesting when old factions organically return again, especially one as powerful as the Sith Empire. It could make for a great story and show a logical transition from a small Sith cult (One Sith) to a galaxy-wide Empire (Sith Empire).

The name just makes more sense.

I mean, the One Sith had Moffs, Generals / Admirals in it. No need to make it the Sith Empire.

In canon, the One Sith was Krayt's personal Sith faction. Its members were exclusively Sith and Force-sensitives. The Moffs, Generals and Admirals to which you refer didn't actually belong to the One Sith proper, but rather the larger umbrella of Darth Krayt's Galactic Empire. The One Sith themselves were only a particular part of Krayt's Galactic Empire.

Hence why it doesn't really make sense as the name for a faction that aims to include non Force-using Imperials.

 

[Ellie Mors]

Yes, because the name Sith Empire carries a lot of weight - both in canon and on this board.

It has also been this faction's view that the Sith Empire was a group of false Sith. By changing our name to theirs not only do we become a shallow reflection of the previous faction, a mere imitation of something that fell to the Republic, of which we stand against, but we also reduce ourselves (the Sith of us, I mean) to bearing the weight of an implied falsehood. While it would make sense to "Imperials" for this change to take place, it is entirely against the entire Sith portion of the faction. I would love to appease the NFU of the group, and of others, but I am not going to shame (I can call it that, right?) the Sith for the sake of the few. Any name that would not carry the same perceived stigma would be plenty fine, but I will never be for being called the "Sith Empire".

 

[Maximilian Jens]

So basically every Sith who came before the One Sith wasn't a "true" Sith? Well, that's news to me.

Either way, I don't particularly care. If it can't be the "Sith Empire" proper for whatever reasons have been decided, then something else should be agreed upon. Because it is clear that the name this faction has now does not accurately describe us, nor our forward momentum.

 

[Darth Carnifex]

It has also been this faction's view that the Sith Empire was a group of false Sith. By changing our name to theirs not only do we become a shallow reflection of the previous faction, a mere imitation of something that fell to the Republic, of which we stand against, but we also reduce ourselves (the Sith of us, I mean) to bearing the weight of an implied falsehood. While it would make sense to "Imperials" for this change to take place, it is entirely against the entire Sith portion of the faction. I would love to appease the NFU of the group, and of others, but I am not going to shame (I can call it that, right?) the Sith for the sake of the few. Any name that would not carry the same perceived stigma would be plenty fine, but I will never be for being called the "Sith Empire".

A majority of the Sith who came over from the now defunct Old Sith Empire consider this faction to be that faction's spiritual successor.

 

[Helios]

So basically every Sith who came before the One Sith wasn't a "true" Sith? Well, that's news to me.

That bit is apart of the faction's lore.

Either way, I don't particularly care. If it can't be the "Sith Empire" proper for whatever reasons have been decided, then something else should be agreed upon. Because it is clear that the name this faction has now does not accurately describe us, nor our forward momentum.

Still against it, personally. Our title is currently(as it has been since the faction's inception) a staple. Using a canonical name, yet not being the typical empiresomething or ordersomething, was one of the things that set us apart. Name changes rarely go over well. Look at the factions that have done it. Seriously, go look.

The name- One Sith in its entirety, is more of a concept than an actual title, not meant to be exclusively descriptive to the member base under it's umbrella. We are one. We act as one, we move as one, and serve and execute as one, under the direction of our glorious Dark Lord. Whether the case be pilots, soldiers, agents, or any nfu at all, the sign is the same.

One that created a banner for darkly aligned characters to join under and annihilate combat the republic.

 

[Maximilian Jens]

Still against it, personally. Our title is currently(as it has been since the faction's inception) a staple. Using a canonical name, yet not being the typical empiresomething or ordersomething, was one of the things that set us apart.

I've been told that this faction is more or less modeled on Darth Krayt's Galactic Empire. Aside from a few flavor differences, are we really that different? I would say that what we are doing here is not altogether unique. Nor does it have to be. But our name should fully reflect what we are doing.

The name- One Sith in its entirety, is more of a concept than an actual title, not meant to be exclusively descriptive to the member base under it's umbrella.

Is this how the faction originally aimed to be, or just your personal interpretation of it? Because other arguments in this thread for keeping the name have rested on the premise that the "One Sith" was also inclusive of Imperial characters in canon... which is wrong.

It seems silly to me to not have a name that accurately describes the faction. I honestly think this is why we don't have more run-of-the-mill Imperial characters. People see the One Sith and just assume that this is the place where only Sith go. And meanwhile we have a bunch of small, Imperial Remnant-styled factions that cater to Non Force Using Imperial characters. Those are untapped resources. We should be asking ourselves, why are those characters not joining this faction?

I mean... look. The bottom line is this. If this faction really doesn't care about having many NFU Imperials around, then so be it. If this is just a place that is meant mostly exclusively for Sith, I'll rest my case. But if reinforcing our faction with non-Sith Imperial chracters (a.k.a. making it a real "Empire", which it kind of already is) is something that is a legitimate concern... we might do well by changing our aesthetic to become what we aspire to be.

 

[Ellie Mors]

I've been told that this faction is more or less modeled on Darth Krayt's Galactic Empire. Aside from a few flavor differences, are we really that different? I would say that what we are doing here is not altogether unique. Nor does it have to be. But our name should fully reflect what we are doing.





Is this how the faction originally aimed to be, or just your personal interpretation of it?

If I really need to go find the thread and post where our faction owner has stated that this was the intention of the faction through and through, so be it. I don't know how many members have to state that this is what the faction was created and intended to be for people to get it. We're called the One Sith because we are all working to the goal of our Dark Lord. An empire does not need to be full of clone troopers and such, you can literally be an empire of Jedi - the Republic is an Empire by definition. No, we do not want to become the same rehashed Galactic Empire that are currently being played out by every other remnant-style faction on the board. Do we want NFU's to feel at home here? Yes, of course we do. Do we want to bend over backwards and change ourselves to suite their tastes while alienating much of the rest of the faction whom may not feel that heading in the direction of a Galactic Empire-esque faction entails? No, not especially.

I know it may not seem like a big deal to you and several others, but changing the faction title is much the same as completely changing the faction. The faction has lore, has a story, and history. To change the title and structure of the faction for the sake of attracting members without addressing this major issue is to not care about the faction at all. I'd much rather preserve the running history and stories created by members and faction administrators and organically arrive at the position of changing how we work than suddenly and abruptly switching the name of the faction and expect anyone to magically gain interest in the faction. A title doesn't attract or dissuade writers, the member base does. If they aren't already aware that we have an entire institution of NFUs in the faction that share importance with the Sith, then we aren't advertising that as well as we should be. The name is important to the faction, but it does not create the atmosphere of the community.

 

[Darth Carnifex]

Why not the Empire of the One Sith?

 

[Maximilian Jens]

We're called the One Sith because we are all working to the goal of our Dark Lord. An empire does not need to be full of clone troopers and such, you can literally be an empire of Jedi - the Republic is an Empire by definition.

No it isn't. The Republic is a giant galactic democracy (or at least pretends to be). The One Sith is a totalitarian hierarchy run by either an Emperor, a Dark Lord of the Sith, etc, much like the old Galactic Empires... which is what attracts Imperial characters like myself in the first place. It's similar to the older Galactic Empires of the past.

No, we do not want to become the same rehashed Galactic Empire that are currently being played out by every other remnant-style faction on the board.

We are a totalitarian, imperialistic state run by a Dark Lord of the Sith rather than an Emperor, the only main difference being nomenclature, really. You say yourself that this faction wants NFUs, which it necessarily needs anyway, since there are only so many Force Users in the galaxy. How exactly is this so radically different from the old Galactic Empires in canon? The One Sith is a new flavor twist on an old trope. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, I'm just saying what it is.

I would also remind you that this faction even goes so far as to invoke the old Imperial aesthetic by using the old Galactic Empire symbol in its main banner.

Do we want to bend over backwards and change ourselves to suite their tastes while alienating much of the rest of the faction whom may not feel that heading in the direction of a Galactic Empire-esque faction entails? No, not especially.

Please explain how changing the name to, say, the One Sith Empire, would entail "bending over backwards"? How is that so radically different? Is adding the word "empire" conducive to the claims you are making? Who does it alienate?

I know it may not seem like a big deal to you and several others, but changing the faction title is much the same as completely changing the faction. The faction has lore, has a story, and history. To change the title and structure of the faction for the sake of attracting members without addressing this major issue is to not care about the faction at all.

No one has said anything about changing the faction's lore or history. All of that would be no different. We are simply updating the name to reflect that we are now an empire that necessarily includes non-Force Users, in the spirit of older Galactic Empires (albeit with our own unique twist). No need to erase or negate any previous history.

If they aren't already aware that we have an entire institution of NFUs in the faction that share importance with the Sith, then we aren't advertising that as well as we should be. The name is important to the faction, but it does not create the atmosphere of the community.

You're contradicting yourself a bit here. First you said that changing the faction name would be like changing the entire faction (not true), now you're saying that the faction name isn't the end-all-be-all of the community. I would agree with the latter statement. That being said, you mentioned that we need to advertise that NFUs are an important part of this faction.

And a great way to do that would be... making the name of this faction reflect the fact that it's not comprised of only Sith... see where I'm going here?

[member="Silara Vantai"] I'm not personally attacking you with any of this, just so we're clear. I just think your opinions on this matter fail to take into account the reality of the situation being proposed.

 

[Maximilian Jens]

Why not the Empire of the One Sith?

Empire of the One Sith, One Sith Empire... all excellent names.

 

[Darth Carnifex]

The Imperial Order of the Singular Dark-Side Esoteric Communion of the Sith.

If you take this particular suggestion seriously, I'm gonna punch you in the gob.

 

[Ellie Mors]

Anything that is not "Sith Empire" works for me. Just make it work. Don't just suddenly up and change it.

 

[Darth Carnifex]

Anything that is not "Sith Empire" works for me. Just make it work. Don't just suddenly up and change it.

I'm sure a majority of the Sith who came over from the Old Empire envisioned the One Sith eventually becoming a new Sith Empire.