Faction Ranks

[Satara Hawk]

So, before there was even a thought about a faction, the topic of Witch ranks popped in which after several different suggestions ended up mirroring those of Nightsisters are already up. The current list of ranks has:

Initiate | Nightsister | Matron Mother
Initiate | Nightbrother | Nightfather

Based on which, we suggested:

Initiate | Allyan Witch | Clan Mother
Initiate | Allyan Jai | Clan Father

Now, while I wouldn't mind these, I'm bothered by the fact that as a faction with force users we should have three ranks. Which this really isn't it. Initiate may mirror that of an Apprentice Jedi or Sith but Nightsister, Nightbrother, Allyan Witch, Allyan Jai however is a general term and would apply to both Knights and Masters (in comparison to Jedi, Sith and Neutral).

I'm not worried about the NFU ones, they have plenty of options to choose from.

But for Force Users... yeah... the Wookieepedia offers Initiate and Mentor as other ranks of the lightsiders while Nightsisters have Shaman, Beastwarden, Hunter, Warriror and Shadow Killer. Which frankly is a lot like Scout, Sentry, Rancor Tamer, Councilwoman that Singing Mountain has. Paths to follow, available to everyone part of the faction.

Now, so far, I love Initiate and I'd like to keep it. That applies to both sides. Mentor works as well. I'd say that's equal to a Knight level. But then we're missing a Master. (though Mentor could be Master level as well if you come up with a good Knight rank) There is the generic Witch Master (Allyan Master and Nightsister Master) but frankly, if we can fiind a more appropriate title, I'd rather go with that.

Ti'Cira is checking her own sources. So far she has found Force Adepts and Force Disciple from the star Wars Prestige Classes of the Core Rule Book and the Cracken's Threat Dossier speaks of only Initiate and Mentor. And since Teferi said he'd finish up the new rank submissions by Saturday, if we decided to do this, I'd really like if we can get this done quickly!

Anyone has any ideas, feel free to post them up! On SWRP, Force Users must abide by the 3-rank Structure. Also remember to remain within the Star Wars as much as possible with your suggestions.

 

[Bronwyn Tyr]

how about to distinguish between the two initiates, the allyan initiates be called dedicants ?

 

[Onith Trill]

I say we just give all of the male members the "Slave" Title, but whatever. Not my call.

That being said, I like Bronwyn's idea of distinguishing between allyan and nightsister initiates.

 

[Satara Hawk]

Dedicant is... Wiccan last I checked? We have to stick to canon as much as possible. Which Initiate is. Now, why I've thought of keeping Initiate for both because as its beginner rank, Initiate Witches and Jai will be very much alike. New, young, learning from others, having either passed none of her tests/trials or just the basic one that tests whether they're Force Sensitive (which is for the Promotion Guidelines Discussion but still).

Taleen, I get your point but there is a rank Slave which can be added along the Force User rank and our males, though slaves will be Force Sensitive. From an OOC point of view, males join and work on building their characters as well. The IC here is really the key on how it's done, which Witches accept to train them and such.

Which is kinda why I also like Initiate - Something Knight - Mentor (after a good night's sleep, I've come to see Mentor fits for Masters, the title is appropriate. We're all a single faction, all Witches of the Dathomir. Have one unique neutral rank concept works best here. The distinction of how you play your character is up to you, the clan you choose, the powers you collect.

 

[TiCira D'Arr Hawk]

Hmm... Initiate, Acolyte, Mentor??

Possible "Knight" Terms
- Acolyte
- "add more"

 

[Bronwyn Tyr]

I don't understand why it has to be canon if we have our own time period.

also, what about mage for another knight term ?

 

[Alarah Dei]

That's a great idea, Bronwyn - something pertaining to magical competency would be only normal. I'd expect Magic users to follow an Apprentice/Novice > Witch/Mage/Sorceress > Archmage type rank setup, personally, and we can easily mix and match that way.

 

[TiCira D'Arr Hawk]

Simple point as to why canon? Because the board staff have requested that we don't use terms of a different genre.


That's the only reason why such terms as Mage / sorceress wouldn't work. They would for sorcerers of rhand, but not for witches. Tef specifically said to keep it witch like as per starwars, not something akin to Charmed.

While it is a great idea, we'll have to brain storm on what we can use.

 

[TiCira D'Arr Hawk]

Even my acolyte was added when I was high on medicine; so ignore me lol

 

[TiCira D'Arr Hawk]

Initiate, mentor, arch witch?

Spell caster?
Spell weaver?


How about both nightsisters and Allyans use the same three ranks. Since we can have two bars lets have one for "nightsister" and one bar saying "allyan " and the second bar can be either initiate / spell caster [or whatever] / arch witch ?

 

[Alarah Dei]

Spellweaver is an excellent idea. I like that.

 

[Satara Hawk]

Oye. I suggested Spellweaver before we put up the first Allyan suggestion.

And Arch Witch is a specific path, a Witch practiced in weather patterns?

Also, I thought Clan Mother and Clan Father would be the special titles (like there are King, Queen and Princess already). And since that section already has things like Shaman ( a legitimate Nightsister position as per wookieepedia) and Slave, we could maybe also suggest Hunter, Scout and some of the other positions that exist in WoD but yet wouldn't be too specific so it's open to others as well. Does that make any sense?

Perhaps Initiate / Spellweaver / Mentor ?

 

[TiCira D'Arr Hawk]

I like!

 

[TiCira D'Arr Hawk]

Oye. I suggested Spellweaver before we put up the first Allyan suggestion.

Perhaps Initiate / Spellweaver / Mentor ?

We can yell at Tef and say we cast SPELLS ... so yeah.. we'll beat him to it if everyone agrees.

 

[Onith Trill]

I still like having Nightsister as a specific title, and would be against losing it as a title. However, that being said, I like the move to Spellweaver/Mentor, I just don't want to lose the Nightsister title in the process.

 

[Bronwyn Tyr]

I second what Taleen said

 

[Satara Hawk]

Initiate | Allyan Spellweaver | Allyan Mentor

Initiate | Nightsister Spellweaver | Nightsister Mentor

With separate ranks: Clan Mother, Clan Father that would go under NFU for right now ( A person being Force Sensitive does not dictate them being leaders of clans. )

This then? Again, An Initiate is an Apprentice, young, unexperienced Witch and I'd prefer to keep that the same for both as so far. The real distinstions begin at Knight level when a Witch is capable of something.

 

[TiCira D'Arr Hawk]

Did you guys understand what I meant??

That we have a "Nightsister" and an "Allyan" tag, separate like "Mandalorians"
As "force ranks" Initiate, Spellweaver, Mentor.

So you can have:

Nightsister
Initiate

in the same deal. Does that make sense?


or maybe i'm just too high on my cold medicine. >_<


I like what we are doing tho

 

[Satara Hawk]

I got what you meant. We could go that way. But I'm just thinking of the special titles as well.

Taleen already has Shaman which she would lose with the two separate ranks. Satara wouldn't have Allyan for her second one since she has the Clan Mother one. This is why I suggested we either all have one rank system, as one faction or separate ones, distinquishing Knight and Master ranks by being either Allyan or Nightsister either of the two. Personally, I'm just thinking of how to please everyone, shall we say. As one faction, one organization, all on one planet, I'd much rather we have a unique rank structure and work on other ways to express alignment. We could suggested Allya and Nightsister as separate NFU ranks like Mandalore exists, if you guys wanted. Or it could be something we put in our sigs, above them, member titles, etc.

 

[TiCira D'Arr Hawk]

ok now that makes sense