Fatal Fourway: Hulk, Thor, Flash (Wally), Green Lantern (Hal)

[Matreya]

So, here is the scenario. They are brought under mind control via super villains of both comic strains coming together, with the specific intent to make the heroes kill themselves. Placed in an abandoned Manhattan, and with no capable resistance, they must battle. Who wins? Why?

Personally, a tie between Hal Jordan and Wally West. Using the speedforce Wally has the ability to make even Superman bleed. And Green Lanterns (can't remember so I will attempt to verify) have told Wally before that his power is beyond their comprehension. Hulk will get mad, start swinging, Wally runs the Earth 9 times, uses that built energy in one blow to the cranium. Instant death. Same to most the others if need be. Or he could get more creative as he has shown himself to be.

But Hal has been capable of besting beasts and aliens no one ever imagined could be defeated. He became a living embodiment of the green energy, beat most Earths heroes and villains and in a few continuations was able to create entire space stations that maintained solidity even if he was millions of light years away. He could simply create a bubble around Flash that has no oxygen, making it so super solid that it hamster wheels when he begins to run.

 

[Marcus Tritum]

Thor is a god.

YOU DARE ATTACK THE SON OF ODIN?

 

[Daxton Bane]

I don't think you can kill something immortal. Stun maybe.

As for the Flash, you need to be running in a single direction to build enough momentum, even the slightest deviation would reduce the speed significantly. All the Hulk need to do is stick an arm out and Flash clotheslines himself.

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't GL's power limited by his need to recharge his ring? If they could outlast his initial blasts, they would win a war of attrition.


Personally I like the Hulk in this scenario. For no better reason than he is green.

 

[Vorhi Alestrani]

The important to remember about the Hulk is that he's not just super-humanly strong or durable, a la superman. His regenerative capacity puts Wolverine to shame. He has regenerated from being skeletonized with fire from a god in less than a minute. He can withstand nuclear forces--and if alternate timelines are accurate, he can absorb mroe gamma radiation to be even stronger.
Flash's only shot in hell is if he understand the nature of Hulk's power and neutralizes the radiation. Even then, it's a crap shoot and require a large number materials from Flash.

 

[Matreya]

@[member="Lysander of Suarbi"] lmao to be honest...I put Thor in as a joke character.

@[member="Daxton Bane"] in a few continuations it was mentioned that immortal the gods may be, but not invincible. As well, Flash (Wally) would simply have to vibrate fast enough to go through anything as he was running. In my opinion I never got hat, if your running at 10,000 mph your not going to wanna have to worry about running into a wall. Yet what do they always do as he's picking up speed lol.

And because I went with Hal I'll have to say it kind of depends. Yes he needed to recharge, but hals ring is legitimately the most powerful ring. Ie, in some continuations his ring can last week's, in some he even emits kryptonite energy, then also as mentioned Hal was able to make and win against impossible odds with unique tools.

@[member="Vorhi Alestrani"] the reason I believe the hulk (favorite character for most my life. I no almost everything...ok probably not but I no a VAST portion of his info) would lose is his size.He would be a simple target for Green Lantern. If he did as mentioned for the Flash, it would kill the hulk as well. Or reach out grab him, and chuck him into the sun lol. But yeah hulks epic, getting stronger with more anger, to the point of ridiculousness.

 

[Eddie]

The Hulk is a temporal anchor so Hulk dying would be hard to do even under those conditions

 

[Matreya]

Also, quick question.
@Eddie @Vorhi Alestrani @[member="Daxton Bane"] @[member="Lysander of Suarbi"]
How do you beat someone who time travels for fun? "Ouch! Hulk that hurt! Say bye bye baby Banner *time travels*" And then use the same thing for the rest!

 

[Daxton Bane]

I kinda liked the Grey Hulk actually. Now if we can add characters of Bad assery, then we should put Lobo in here (not the screwed up PG 13 version but the freaking Main Man himself). No only did Lobo beat every hero in the galaxy six ways to Sunday, the Devil kicked him out of hell for being too bad and trying to steal the throne of damnation, he caused a riot in heaven and Death has standing orders NOT to collect his soul. How can you not love a beer swilling Czarian like that?

 

[Matreya]

Dude HELL YES. Lobo is the last of his species, why? For a science experiment he created an incurable desease that killed them all. He gave himself an A. He can regrow from the most minute of cells in his body. If you don't literally eviscerate him, he comes back.

 

[Tyger Tyger]

Also, quick question.
@Eddie @Vorhi Alestrani @[member="Daxton Bane"] @[member="Lysander of Suarbi"]
How do you beat someone who time travels for fun? "Ouch! Hulk that hurt! Say bye bye baby Banner *time travels*" And then use the same thing for the rest!

This is way wrong. Both DC and Marvel Universes have asserted that there's differences between "Hard Time" and "Soft Time." Not every event can be changed by time-travel, as some are fixed. The births of most of their primary properties are Hard Time.

Marvel's 1602 also asserts that the birth of these heroes is something that HAS to happen following the appearance of Captain America (1602, for example, illustrating the Spring of these heroes' career occurring in the Elizabethan era after Steve Rogers is confusingly time-displaced). You could kill Banner, but Hulk would just happen to someone of a similar disposition.

EDIT: Thor is the most likely victor, as his death is a similarly fixed point. It's also a cyclical one. He only dies to Jörmungandr in Ragnarok. Period. Again and again. (Superman even remarked that Thor was the hardest fight he'd ever had in JLA vs. Avengers, and Superman is the only ALWAYS WIN hero out there.)

You also picked Wally, not Bart, not Barry. Wally's a car mechanic. He's not the smart one. He can't even retain speed-read knowledge like Bart can.

 

[Matreya]

@[member="Tyger Tyger"]

Spoiler

The vast majority of things change when using time travel. Circa, Flashpoint the newest comic set where Bruce Wayne ended up dead, Thomas Wayne the Batman his mother the Joker, Aquaman and Wonder Woman battling so devastating it is destroying the planet. Aquaman destroys everything, using a WMD powered by Captain Atom. 2013 newest comics. And thus if both comic strains are combined, well need to find a mid point. Some heroes would end up dead, strictly through breaking the cronal barrier and causing a "time boom". So the ones that die out through time adjusting itself are gone on their own, then Flash kills the rest or simply makes them so weak it doesn't matter. Ie hit Thor with a super mach punch that drops Mjolnir onto his leg breaking his leg. Thus in the end, Flash still wins.

 

[Tyger Tyger]

@[member="Tyger Tyger"] The vast majority of things change when using time travel. Circa, Flashpoint the newest comic set where Bruce Wayne ended up dead, Thomas Wayne the Batman his mother the Joker, Aquaman and Wonder Woman battling so devastating it is destroying the planet. Aquaman destroys everything, using a WMD powered by Captain Atom. 2013 newest comics. And thus if both comic strains are combined, well need to find a mid point. Some heroes would end up dead, strictly through breaking the cronal barrier and causing a "time boom". So the ones that die out through time adjusting itself are gone on their own, then Flash kills the rest or simply makes them so weak it doesn't matter. Ie hit Thor with a super mach punch that drops Mjolnir onto his leg breaking his leg. Thus in the end, Flash still wins.

Still, there was Batman, still there was Joker (That was a rude spoiler, by the way. That Batman book was the only good thing about Flashpoint ). Still there was Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and Captain Atom. They can't be erased like regular people can.

There's no reason some heroes would end up dead. It's fiction. C-List characters only die when you need to clean house or use their concepts for better efforts. Hyperion survived jumping worlds, as did the NewUniversal crew, as did Power Girl, as did the Question, etc etc etc

Then the Flash kills them all or makes them so weak it doesn't matter by way of ---> ????? ---> Profit? Again, it's Wally, not Barry or Bart. It's the dumb, angry Flash.

Thor drops the hammer on his leg, breaking his leg? It's basically weightless to the worthy. His leg would be fine. There's also not a very strong precedent of Thor getting hit and dropping his weapon onto himself.

 

[Matreya]

@[member="Tyger Tyger"] It's the fastest flash, the one with the most abilities and properties. I also stated the profit was unnecessary, as they were mind controlled into doing things with no resistance. But, that was strictly through the cronal boom causing those. I'm talking about he goes back and does it himself, that with the added effect of the cronal energy, boom. And ok fine, even if we do combine and therefore have the fixed time aspect as well, he goes back to their infant hoods and causes things that make them meaningless.
Hulk; brain damage DURING the initial event of gamma bomb detonation. Ie, a host for the hulk that never gets angry so the hulk exists but doesn't as well.
Thor; break his spine as an infant, he grows up meaningless.
Hal Jordan; that one was fixed with the cronal boom

Spoiler

Hal didn't get the ring in flashpoint. No one on earth did.

Also, thanks for pointing that out. I spoilered everything important..

And last but not least, FINALLY a fellow comic lover

 

[Matreya]

Also, isn't the dumb Flash Bart? At 2 years old he was physically 15

 

[Tyger Tyger]

@[member="Zaiden James-Greyson"]
Didn't Sinestro stay Green Lantern in Flashpoint, though?

Anyway, these characters are more than their physical components (After all, they're fiction. They literally have no physical components beyond being paper and ink). If Hulk cannot destroy, he is not Hulk. If Thor can't be Midgard's protector, he is not Thor. "Someone" else would take their place. Their Universes protect them as something that HAS to happen -- Making a symbolic character "meaningless" is the same thing as killing them. They can't be completely cancelled by time-travel. The Speed Force is also a living entity. It can revoke power away from Wally, as it likely would if he went bonkers with his time travel. (It's also worth nothing that in JLA Vs. Avengers, Quicksilver beat the hell out of Flash on Marvel soil because, over there, the Speed Force simply doesn't exist)

These characters fighting aren't a comparison of physical stats, but more of a discussion of differing philosophies.

 

[Tyger Tyger]

Also, isn't the dumb Flash Bart? At 2 years old he was physically 15

He was a child through the bulk of his career. He had the potential to be the smartest, as he was the only Flash who could, say, speed-read an entire library and retain ALL of the information.

 

[Matreya]

@[member="Tyger Tyger"]
Nope, that was in Barry's arsenal as well. I believe that was part of Barts genetic heritage. But yeah I liked him more as Impulse personally. Wally retains my favoritism though.

And that's the problem with the way your vieiwing it. I had to recede partially to acknowledge the fusion of two universes, thus it wouldn't just be as simple as it was in Flashpoint or JLA v Avengers. In a universe of the combined there would be the Speedforce (IE Pietro (quicksilver) would probably be connnected to speedforce as well.), and on mention of them not existing there was no Superman, but was a Kal-L, so your argument there is null. thanks for the discussion so far man, making my thanksgiving interesting. And yes if I read that part right then yeah he did, but Sinestro (like the rest of the corp) has his own galaxies to maintain and also is not the Gren Lantern mentioned in this battle.

 

[Jak Sandrow]

Lobo's essentially the more powerful, darker version of what Superman could have been.

 

[Matreya]

@[member="Tyger Tyger"]
Also, the thing is. The battle was between the four mentioned. Yes another asgardian may step forward, yeah another green lantern from somewhere will be chosen, but the ones named died or lost.

 

[Tyger Tyger]

Lobo's essentially the more powerful, darker version of what Superman could have been.

Not really. He's a spoof on Wolverine and the general mindset of teenagers who read comics for the action and violence, especially during the 90's. He pops up from time to time to make fun of the reader, or to pander to Deadpool fans.