Flagship thread

[Jorus Merrill]

Come to think of it, I've got a couple minutes to devote to this. There aren't many people in board history who've derailed as many open threads as I have.

"Use my knowledge, I beg you!"

1) Jedi and ground pounders and some others chasing a slicer who MAY have stolen the data on the logistics of the Flagship

2) The senate if they appear and the Corporate Alliance helping to keep updates on construction as well as rehash the abilities of the ship in question and its specifications

3) An ongoing fleeting exercise that doubles as security for the construction, and gives us an opportunity to train new interested fleeters and pilots

If I was going to attempt to jump in on this thread, in a sabotage/theft kind of way, here's some potential avenues for stomping, things to watch for and preempt.

-I might jump in on the side of the slicer. Heck, I'd make myself BE the slicer.

-I might exploit the fact that the Corporate Alliance includes Krayt Industries and Matsu Ike.

-I might throw a wrench into the fleeting exercise, maybe by turning on the real weapons for a ship or two, maybe with negative battle meditation, maybe by using the massive amounts of drive traces and gravitic signatures to sneak in even a basic stealth ship.

-I might try to sneak a technopath or mentalist, Master level, aboard the under-construction ship for heist purposes. The One Sith, the Fringe and others have specialists at that level.

-I might sneak nanites, metal-borers, or bioweapons aboard.

-I might show up at the start of the thread for a quiet flyby, get some idea of your fleeting exercise's size, then show up at the end with something twice as big.

-I might just drop seven or eight Dark Masters on the proceedings and watch as the entire thread freaks out.

This is just off the top of my head. If you're gonna do something this open with something this big at stake, you gotta be prepared for every kind of interference, and plan accordingly.

 

[Jorus Merrill]

Holy poodoo i love this rule.

I KNOW RIGHT?

 

[Popo]

*quietly points at the two 3,000m ships he was making before*

 

[Caid Centurion]

This freaking exploded in like one night.

I LOVE the enthusiasm and effort.

Determination of the execution of a Flagship thread for the Galactic Republic is definitely a decision for Republic IC leadership because:

1. We are paying you.

2. It's the Republic's vessel.

So. Between all the PMs that I have received and posts I have seen elsewhere, this is doable but I'm for sure not going to sign my name to something that is not properly planned and then approved. I'm not trying to stifle creativity, but I think it's safe to say your general ideas provide a good framework for moving forward with planning. So. Here are questions the Republic Military is going to have (or comments):

1. Nope. A corporate alliance of organizations that are not in, some way, controlled by the Republic will not be involved. This can't even remotely be rationalized IC.

2. Specific plans of the vessels capabilities, design costs, material and personnel resources required for construction, operation, and sustainment presented to military command for review.

3. Where is it being constructed?

4. Who has access to the location/what are security guarantees on workers?

5. How many people are aware of the project's specifics?

6. What is this one vessel going to do for the Republic that several smaller vessels cannot?

And that's really just the general questions off the top of my head. I'll be honest you will have to sell Caid on this entire thing IC. Because he really doesn't care much about some massive symbol of power for just that purpose. If it doesn't functionally do something to improve operational effectiveness of the Republic, he won't be interested. If he IS, he'll just get even more anal about the process.

Also I recommend you present it to him as an idea, then allow him to send additional officers to aid in the planning. He will not go to the Senate with any information until he is completely satisfied. If you try to go around him, he will react most unfavorably.

Obviously I'm just focusing on the start-up to such a ship even being funded, not everything that goes into implementation, training crews, training maintainers, etc. Within that, there is plenty of opportunity for sabotage, problems, whatever.

[member="Popo"] - not familiar with what you're talking about. Do you have a link?

 

[Popo]

[member="Caid Centurion"]
Nothing really publicized. I did a few Dev threads for weapons and armor for a pair of 3km "flagships" a while back. Never got around to deving the actual ships. Basically, they're Line Breaker warships. Shoot me a PM or hit me up on Skype if you wanna know more. I think I still have it written up on my google drive thing.

 

[Jorus Merrill]

[member="Caid Centurion"]

I can attest that Popo had a solid concept and did a ton of work for them, including getting some components approved (with dev threads) that can blow just about anything out of the water. Solid counter to the Immortal-class. Definitely worth finalizing.

 

[Popo]

All it needs is... Maybe 200 posts to finalize. If you wanna see what I made for it, look on the Tenloss page. The conpressium armor and the HVG cannon I made should be at the bottom of the list.

 

[Lira Dajenn]

I WANT TO RUIN FLAGSHIP THINGS.

INVITE ME JORUS. INVITE ME.

 

[Gir Quee]

Those definitely look nice, [member="Popo"].

I might suggest that we do more specific planning for the thread and the flagship in a more protected forum.

EDIT: I just had to post while [member="Lira Dajenn"] was making the same point.

 

[Popo]

The tentative overall design is listed here, though this was under the 2.0 guide and wasn't fully touched up. It's also not compensated for through the armor and the guns that were subbed for it.

 

[Camellia Swift]

[member="Popo"] [member="Gir Quee"] [member="Lira Dajenn"] [member="Caid Centurion"] [member="Zane Watts"] [member="Meeristali Peradun"]

[member="Jorus Merrill"] well for one thing instead of planning on how to wreck the thread, as a Republic member you could have put the same effort into planning on how to make it work. And yes I know it has to be Open, but I clearly stated information on the slicer that made them a non-player character no one owns and any abuse of such would bring in an RPJ. And I find it OFFENSIVE that you and every other FU can just assume they have the power to get around anything, and I've been in enough invasions and experienced even apprentices handwaving my efforts just because I'm an NFU. I do not think you have the right to assume a single FU can sneak DEEP into Republic Territory, bypass an entire faction's defenses along the way, avoid detection from a Core World's Planetary Defense Forces along with the Republic Group's in system, and then avoid security on one of the Galaxy's most renown shipwrights to pull off half your listed problems. ALL while having no idea this is going on and thus having no reason to make an appearance there in that capacity. That is metagaming and I would call it out for being rude.

Also if the Silver Jedi came into the thread I'd almost wonder if they'd cause problems or make sure the Sith didn't cause any. My character has some favors with them I can call in even if the Republic would need.

1. Nope. A corporate alliance of organizations that are not in, some way, controlled by the Republic will not be involved. This can't even remotely be rationalized IC.
2. Specific plans of the vessels capabilities, design costs, material and personnel resources required for construction, operation, and sustainment presented to military command for review.
3. Where is it being constructed?
4. Who has access to the location/what are security guarantees on workers?
5. How many people are aware of the project's specifics?
6. What is this one vessel going to do for the Republic that several smaller vessels cannot?

1. It can be rationalized and I can do it IC so its not fair to shut it down unless it is.
2. The problem of this is if we do it in a separate thread we waste the time and work that goes into when it could also be done in the actual thread. Cam and Caid could go over the information again while overseeing construction, and I can tell you in PM or skype (as I tried asking people to get on in our group PM), but I'd rather avoid a pointless thread taking up more time or effort on top of this.
3. Rendili, at Rendili Stardrive or if needed somewhere in secret in sections via the us of Rendili's Mobile Spacedocks
4. Workers will be select Rendili Stardrive employees PROVEN to be trustworthy through their work on several other projects, three other special secret ships, that remained secret and thus would not do it this time simply for the ease of other people to try abuse them.
5. Through safe protocol, as would be explained, Rendili employees would only have knowledge on their specific tasks on the project to avoid any one person having information on the whole design. Camellia would know, Caid would know as would the triumvirate, and select Senatorial and Jedi Order members you permit would know.
6. It would bear the title of flagship with the capabilities I would list under 2 that no other ship would be able to wield.

 

[Popo]

[member="Camellia Swift"]
Just wanna point out... Buuuut... The former Supreme Chancellor of the Republic is a crime lord and the former Cartel Boss of the Hutt Cartel.... Sooo... Not hard...

 

[Jorus Merrill]

Jorus Merrill well for one thing instead of planning on how to wreck the thread, as a Republic member you could have put the same effort into planning on how to make it work. And yes I know it has to be Open, but I clearly stated information on the slicer that made them a non-player character no one owns and any abuse of such would bring in an RPJ. And I find it OFFENSIVE that you and every other FU can just assume they have the power to get around anything, and I've been in enough invasions and experienced even apprentices handwaving my efforts just because I'm an NFU. I do not think you have the right to assume a single FU can sneak DEEP into Republic Territory, bypass an entire faction's defenses along the way, avoid detection from a Core World's Planetary Defense Forces along with the Republic Group's in system, and then avoid security on one of the Galaxy's most renown shipwrights to pull off half your listed problems. ALL while having no idea this is going on and thus having no reason to make an appearance there in that capacity. That is metagaming and I would call it out for being rude.

You just went off on me for trying to help, and that's something I don't much like. Only reason I'm not tearing you a new one is that you seem to have misread everything I just said. Take the advice, accept what people may try to do, and plan accordingly. If you're going to plan, don't plan with your emotions, plan with your brain.

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

Loa post here. Cam, Jorus wa saying what OTHERS might do not him specifically.

When I amback from leave I'll be happy to work with dveryone with my admiral and politician.

 

[Zane Watts]

aight. obvious solution right now is obvious:

Put this damn thing on hold until emotions flare less. Trust me, [member="Camellia Swift"] - you do it now, it won't end well. Shelve it for the time being. Gives you more time to plan, bring out counters to the questions asked, and put forth a better plan.

Now everyone sit down and drink your goddamn tea.

 

[Avalore Eden]

I for one support the idea of finishing what [member="Popo"] has already started.

 

[Caid Centurion]

You guys make me chuckle.

[member="Popo"] - I like it man. I'm going to educate myself on it a bit more and then I'll be in touch if I have any questions for sure!

[member="Camellia Swift"] - just breathe. This isn't going to happen immediately one way or the other because nothing, as yet, is approved.

Oh and the Corporate Alliance won't be involved, sorry.

Have a good holiday everyone!

 

[Popo]

[member="Caid Centurion"]
No worries. Just keep me in the loop.

 

[Alli Vern]

[member="Caid Centurion"] [member="Camellia Swift"]
Instead of the corporate alliance helping, how about elements of it help, as I have said in the corporate alliance we are mainly just a group of companies agreeing to help each other, its most likely better if they keep their business separate as a whole... Now, Caid, Tanlabs, which wants to become a subsidized and maker of things for the republic would agree to help Cam's company make the flag ship, we make large stations.. we can help on a large ship. I think we need to insure the site of construction is secret, and Tanlabs has mobile shipyards and a system of building things big so we could bring that to the table. We can build where you want it, so it is tucked away and secure. Cam, lets team up and do this I know we can As [member="Jorus Merrill"] has pointed out there are many ways this thread can go bad for us so we need to have as much control before we make it open for the world as possible. So I say lets plan this thing

 

[Caid Centurion]

[member="Aurna Vern"] - select companies could certainly be managed.

[member="Popo"] - having looked at everything - I like the work you've done.

For everyone...we're going to let the holidays roll by first. [member="Camellia Swift"] - let's focus on getting your Noblesse completed. Once we wrap that up and the holidays are over, we can push forward with planning for a Flagship.

I appreciate the input and comments provided by everyone. Community effort is the only way we'll accomplish anything around here