FU Differences

[Vascious Relens]

[member="Fabula Cavataio"]

Nah i'm just being silly. I'm very fond of some Dark Jedi and Witches. Though I don't personally see the point in Dark Jedi as a standalone class.


[member="Mallory Pryde"]

I thought you were Nicki Minaj...

 

[renegade solstice]

[member="Mallory Pryde"]

I thought you were Nicki Minaj...

Its cuz I am blonde and adorable, huh?

 

[Fabula Caromed]

They aren't classes, and Dark Jedi have existed in canon for a long time. Darksiders who are not Sith. Sith doesn't equate to "anyone who uses the Dark Side, ever." The Sith are specifically a religious and philosophical order of Darksiders. Fabula, for instance, is not Sith. She does not follow the Sith code or train her student in Sith history or identify as some kind of spiritually superior being. She just uses the Dark Side of the Force to the exclusion of the Light.

The two "classes" are distinct, as mentioned above. And I hate calling them "classes." This isn't a video game.

 

[Vascious Relens]

[member="Fabula Cavataio"]

Actually that's a pretty good standpoint. I can respect the shade of gray you decided to land on there.

I do have a lack of EU background, which fuels my initial misconception of what you're trying to accomplish. However, your point makes sense. I stand corrected and humbled. Good job.


I suppose classes is also a poor choice of wording here. Though I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss any similarities to video game fundamentals in comparison to those of forum rp gaming. KOTOR in particular I think makes the best example (that i'm aware of) in regards to power balancing across alignments.

 

[Fabula Caromed]

It's comparable in that each of the Force user traditions represented by SWRP: Chaos rank titles is thematically different but functionally comparable to its peers of similar power, much like the Sith and Jedi prestige classes in Kotor and the Sith and Jedi classes in SWTOR look different but are actually almost the same thing. All the FU rank titles tell you is what a writer considers their character to be. I could look at three different Sith and three different Jedi, and there'd be a measurable chance that they'd all have nothing in common with each other.

I'm probably coming off as ranty, and that's not really my intention. I'm just finding it hard to directly voice the point that rank titles say very little about a character's abilities, and more about their writers' opinion.

 

[Amaethon]

Jedi and Sith are cultists, basically, who follow a particular doctrine. A Dark Jedi is more of a free agent, seeking personal benefit and following their own path.

 

[renegade solstice]

Alrighty I will bite fabs.

You mentioned the point about "knowing what you character is".. well tbh, Mallory is sorta lopsided.

The darkside is strong with her, it literally charms her heart and soul while (due to the fact her mother was a talented rogue but also mostly lightsided) she also has enough of this lightside to remain more neutral. However, the lightside compared to the darkside of Mallory is more distant and faint, so technically I have yet to find her true path while leaving the darkside in the most control of the outcome.

Does this make sense to you? I mean, it sorta confuses but also amazes me. :/

 

[Vascious Relens]

[member="Fabula Cavataio"]

Oh I wasn't referring to rank.

I was more talking about how I directly subscribe to the idea that alignment determines force power efficiency as outlined in KOTOR.

You could throw lightning, but the cost on your resources was heavy unless you were darkside aligned.

It's also why I mentioned earlier that a jack of all trades would be a master of none.

Rank in my mind is simply a strong guideline into a characters power potency, and what powers are available to them.

 

[Fabula Caromed]

neutral

There's your answer.

Kotor things!

This site still isn't a video game, and the example you're giving is quite imperfect (Kotor was hilariously imbalanced ), but your point is absolutely valid. An oft-neglected point among Masters on this board is that simply being an experienced space wuzzard doesn't mean you know every single spell, or that you can use them all equally, or that how you use yours and how someone else uses theirs will be identical. A lot of people tend to treat Master rank as carte blanche to just copy over Wookieepedia lists and say "I know all of those, because it makes sense."

It's an irritating practice, and it will live on for as long as there are people who attempt to amass imaginary power for their imaginary self-inserts.

 

[renegade solstice]

Mhm..

 

[Vascious Relens]

Obviously i'm not saying you take the exact science of a video game and apply it to creative writing. No one is calculating force power in specific measurement units, and then counting them. It's simply a good visual example to try and describe restraint and realism for writing.

 

[Fabula Caromed]

There are times I wish we could apply tabletop or video game limits to characters, honestly. It really is annoying when half of the Force users in a given public thread have more than two dozen powers listed on their bios, and use them all as if they have perfect control over them while also behaving like expert swordfighters.

Maybe I'm just a geek like that, but I really do yearn for the days of +8 to hit, 2d8+10 damage.

 

[Amaethon]

[member="Fabula Cavataio"] and I are in total agreement. I recently nerfed Amaethon's fighting skills to just Niman (enough to avoid getting skwered by sewer rats/average thugs). This was because he has a natural aptitude for TK and stronger Force Sense. Also, if he dips his foot into Sorcery or Alchemy, it won't be more than his toes.

I am very sorry but being a Battlemaster (Expert of all 7 Forms) is fairly uncommon a la Ven Zalllow. Same thing with being an all-powerful Sith sorcerer like Naga Sadow. Coincidentally, Zallow isn't known as a powerful sage like Yoda nor is Sadow noted as being a Maul-like hurricane of martial arts.

 

[renegade solstice]

Sorry for butting in again.. but since we are on this part of the topic I thought I would share which combat form I would learn if I could learn lightsaber combat.


My favorite form of all of them (even tho this character is very sadistic) is Soresu. Mainly cuz my favorite jedi master, aside from the obvious faves of most, also used it.. and in the movies it looked awesome. (I believe Obi used the form in the movies. :/)

 

[Amaethon]

Sorry for butting in again.. but since we are on this part of the topic I thought I would share which combat form I would learn if I could learn lightsaber combat.


My favorite form of all of them (even tho this character is very sadistic) is Soresu. Mainly cuz my favorite jedi master, aside from the obvious faves of most, also used it.. and in the movies it looked awesome. (I believe Obi used the form in the movies. :/)

I like Soresu best as well, and Obi-Wan was indeed Form III's preeminent master. If anything, I would probably learn Niman if we actually were Jedi or Sith. I would be busy studying the Force, history and philosophy. Ergo, I would learn Niman to be able to defend myself whilst focusing on Force skill.

 

[renegade solstice]

[member="Amaethon"]

I bet you would make a worthy adversary, or nemesis.

 

[Fabula Caromed]

- Shii-Cho is decent at everything but not that good at any one thing, like function-over-form Niman.
- Makashi is best for perfectionists and people who love seeing every little inch matter.
- Soresu is the most nakedly Jedi form in existence, and probably the best form for squishy mages.
- Ataru is wonderfully cinematic and a blast to write. I can ovelook its impracticality, as it's designed to be used by space wuzzards.
- Djem So is the most widespread form on this board, and for good reason. It's direct, effective, and easy to write.
- Shien is surprisingly more common than I expected, considering it's probably the most niche form ever.
- Niman is probably the most popular form for squishy mages, and normally works best for people who can't make up their mind.
- Juyo is buttkark insane and loves it.
- Vapaad is buttkark insane and tries to claim otherwise.
- Jar'kai is way too popular considering the general uselessness of fighting with two weapons, though I can excuse that because those weapons are lightsabers and don't require a lot of kinetic momentum to be lethal.

And anyone who wants to claim that Shii-Cho is inferior to X form, I encourage you to stop what you're doing, go fight Ashin Varanin, then come back and tell us how inferior her style is.

 

[renegade solstice]

lulz thanks for the vote of confidence Fabs XD

Love the squishyness of us seers.

 

[Ellie Mors]

I don't ever let my own preference for saber styles influence how my character trains in saber combat. I prefer Juyo over all, mostly because it is the easiest to write in brutal strikes that look completely badass, but Silara has trained under Darth Veles in Makashi as an apprentice as well as Jar'kai and Niman, utilizing the three in a slightly unorthodox style of combat that would seem similar in patience to Juyo but with more focus on form and footwork rather than a raging storm of destruction. Due to her blindness she'll need to adapt to her loss of sight, likely indicating a shift in her finesse in the direction of unrestrained blows not unlike Juyo. Also means I need to learn it from the ground-up again as a Master.

It's going to be a pain, but it'll be fun.

 

[Amaethon]

[member="Amaethon"]

I bet you would make a worthy adversary, or nemesis.

If you are Sith, bring it on. If you are Jedi...bring it on, Jedi scum

- Shii-Cho is decent at everything but not that good at any one thing, like function-over-form Niman.
- Makashi is best for perfectionists and people who love seeing every little inch matter.
- Soresu is the most nakedly Jedi form in existence, and probably the best form for squishy mages.
- Ataru is wonderfully cinematic and a blast to write. I can ovelook its impracticality, as it's designed to be used by space wuzzards.
- Djem So is the most widespread form on this board, and for good reason. It's direct, effective, and easy to write.
- Shien is surprisingly more common than I expected, considering it's probably the most niche form ever.
- Niman is probably the most popular form for squishy mages, and normally works best for people who can't make up their mind.
- Juyo is buttkark insane and loves it.
- Vapaad is buttkark insane and tries to claim otherwise.
- Jar'kai is way too popular considering the general uselessness of fighting with two weapons, though I can excuse that because those weapons are lightsabers and don't require a lot of kinetic momentum to be lethal.

And anyone who wants to claim that Shii-Cho is inferior to X form, I encourage you to stop what you're doing, go fight Ashin Varanin, then come back and tell us how inferior her style is.

Shii-Cho is THE most underrated style, period. Juyo is the most overrated. I say that because simple is best. It means less to focus on mastering and less to worry about. Perfection is achieved when there is nothing left to take away. Some famous guy said that, he was apparently a genius...but I like to think of myself as one too . Juyo is ultimate berserker offense but, if you read history, berserkers don't live for very long.

Ataru is probably not supposed to be used alone, so says Jensaarai on youtube. I agre with his theory that it was most likely meant to pair with Soresu (or Shii-Cho). It's really cool loking and so is Makashi for it's flowing elegance. Shien is a very complete style, though with the glaring weakness of overextended strikes a la when you wind up to smash some fool. Niman is great for folks like me who are busy being all esoteric and Jar'kai, yeah. I dunno why you wouldn't want to wield a saber/shoto or two shotos for better maneuverability.