Galactic Republic Restructure.

[The End Narrator]

There was a restructure that was conducted on the 17th of March, 2015.

I know I am not the only one complaining about this restructure which has limited the Galactic Republic Senate in all it's power.

Did this ever get RP'ed out? If so, where?

Major changes must be RP'ed out, if I recall - or must pass through the Faction approval and be approved in essence. I could be wrong but that is how this Republic has worked before - when [member="Kiskla Grayson"] changed it to a triumvirate.

The Galactic Republic Senate is the do all, say all - not the Supreme Commander, not the Prime Minister. They aren't policy makers, they aren't the people who decide things. That is what the Councils were for - We had Councils on Judicial, Finance, Military Oversight and Intelligence, and even Security.

I was the Chairman of Security, Intelligence and Military Oversight - then suddenly my job disappeared - did that make me a bit angry out of character - sure. Would my character be shocked that the Republic somehow kicked her from her Senatorial seat on Carida, of course.

I understand there are a bit of angst over Incom - I got it. Everyone loves X-Wings - which is why I came back because well to be honest - ask anyone, especially [member="Damian Starchaser"] - I love the Republic. I didn't like being removed without being told anything or even spoken to about anything.

Now, what is the purpose of this post? There were bills enacted back in 2013 which are archived that cannot be undone unless RP'ed out which would be the same as a Vote of No Confidence which cannot be stopped by anyone - it's RP and it's valid.

So, what does the Republic do? How do we proceed? Can't rewind the clock? Ok, put things back where they came from. Now, does that mean you can't put my character on the grand stand - sure, go for it. I encourage the story - I welcome it. I will still at the end of the day - offer the product because I know what success it had against the enemies of the Republic - regardless of the feelings therein.

So - there it is, out in the open.

The Senate is powerless, changes were made without consultation - people removed from positions and planets of representation - and I know I do not stand alone. So now is your chance, voice your opinion on this.

 

[Kian Karr]

I'm going to be locking this topic until an issue is resolved by site Administration. Please stand by and we thank you for your patience!

 

[Tefka]

I'm going to be locking this topic until an issue is resolved by site Administration. Please stand by and we thank you for your patience!

I'm going to be unlocking this topic until the faction administration realizes they're not getting any help from the site administration.

This is an internal faction issue. Staff does not settle internal faction issues unless rules are being broken. I've read the OP's post twice now and I see nothing that warrants my presence - or any other Staff Member's presence - in this thread or in this faction.


A.K.A.

Don't put yo problems off on us, homie. This is yours to deal with, so buck up and take responsibility.

 

[Aithne Charr]

Organa, i hate to tell you, but the senate has been powerless since December of 2013. Its background noise, and for a reason. Look at the last meeting, who wants to put any power in the moronics of the senate (My own actions included.)

Let the working system... well work. Its improved activity, gotten the faction back on track and its done far better than the last three administrations combined... minus Trent's ability to wage a war. That man knew how to kick Sith ass.

 

[Varus Shatterstar]

This is about what works, and this is working. If you'd like to address your issues with the Council then feel free to. I'm sure they wouldn't mind you taking a seat as the representative of your planet and might very well even consider including you in wartime meetings and gatherings, but trying to call the hordes of would be upset politicians just isn't going to do anything because frankly, there aren't many.

@The Republic

 

[Laira Darkhold]

I find myself Ignorant and Apathetic to your concerns... AKA I don't know and I don't Care.
Ain't no Senator gonna give me orders anyway...

 

[Varus Shatterstar]

The wouldn't be giving Jedi orders, at the very lease. They would request assistance if necessary.

 

[Laira Darkhold]

[member="Varus Shatterstar"]
The Senate in Cannon barely, barely ever had control of the Military or Jedi Order and only then through budget oversight, which doesn't exist on the boards so unless the Senate is insisting on asserting control over the Military its never going to have any real power. Calling for a vote of no confidence can replace the PM, which as it turns out is basically and honorary title as it is... If yall wanna squabble over who gets the fanciest meaningless title by all means be my guest.

Not directed at Shatterstar, simply in response to you brah.

 

[Varus Shatterstar]

I could care less about politics. We're fine the way we are, but the opinion is noted, Draco.


[member="Draco Vereen"]

 

[Corvus Raaf]

Seems I picked an interesting time to take an LOA.

But I'm here - as I should be,

Everyone should know know how much I love the GR and take the role of FL seriously. How I believe passionately that the Faction belongs to the members.

IC we RP. IC we have various leadership teams and the FA team leave them alone to create stories, drama and direction.

OOC the FA team deal with issues that impact us with things like Invasions and ensuring that everyone treats everyone with respect. Sadly drama rears its head here too.

And sometimes these blur. If IC the Senate decided to make the GR an evil empire, we'd have to say something. We're custodians of this Faction and need to be able to leave it for others to RP with when we move on.

This thread is OOC and we'll take any direction the members want to take the Faction on board. But - and it's a JLo sized butt - we'll step in if OOC motivations drive IC decisions.

And some IC decisions will need OOC review. A vote of no confidence is a good one. There needs to be an IC reason and we can't have a new vote every day from a logistics point alone. The change to the current structure from the Triumvirate was reviewed by the Faction Admin team for example.

So the debate is: given apathy at the time the political structure was changed (and that is a relevant point) is there an overwhelming desire to see new change? Or are people ambivalent?

Have your say or if you have no view, that's fine too. It's your Faction and I for one will be here to see that nobody abuses that fact.

This is not aimed at any individual by the way, just what I always think when these subjects get raised.

Over to you...

 

[H3xle]

I was not around for anything previous. That said, I think the GR is doing pretty well for itself. Personally I would like to see some moves that give a better than Cthulu shape to our galactic presence, but that doesn't mean change the leadership.

Being fairly new, I've received a warm welcome here. While other of my characters have lost muse, Dair has never. That is on great part to the leadership and structure that we have here.

Frankly, I think that Ms. Organa needs to take this kind of issue to the FA's first and if she wanted to work out a plot, do it with their blessing. I do not believe that the grandstanding I have witnessed will have any positive effect for her.

 

[Lok Jorunn]

I do not believe that the grandstanding I have witnessed will have any positive effect for her.

Agreed.

 

[Gir Quee]

The Galactic Republic Senate is the do all, say all - not the Supreme Commander, not the Prime Minister. They aren't policy makers, they aren't the people who decide things. That is what the Councils were for - We had Councils on Judicial, Finance, Military Oversight and Intelligence, and even Security.

To me, this sounds like a blur in expectations between the IC and OOC leadership roles here (which I know that Corvus has touched upon).

I'm of the opinion that the current separation between IC and OOC leadership and power is close to ideal.

Speaking from a purely OOC standpoint, I wouldn't like to see a group of politicians deciding what ships I am and am not going to be using in a RP, because they're not the ones going to actually be using them. On top of that, many military roleplayers and other NFUs like to make and use their own equipment. I think we would discourage NFU activity by restricting them to what a Senate Council would decides is a go and a no-go. Instead, I think that this is an area that needs to be moderated by common-sense and a trusted single person (for speed of reaction, instead of having to wait for all of the votes to approve a single model of blaster rifle...). And we have that person, it's our supreme commander.

It seems to work well, and I wouldn't want to change that.

 

[Jack Sparrow]

The problem with the Senate is we don't actually have much in the way of actual IC power. We can bring bills up to debate, but even if we unanimously voted to end droid production, people are going to have droids because they want or need them for their RPs and don't read the faction threads anyway.

If we want the senate to have any real IC power, we should discuss what we can actually accomplish and then stick to it. Do what we can actually do without becoming self-defeating. Open trade routes, build prisons, discover new planets and species, recruit, in essence, be politicians. So much of the Chaos site is devoted to armed conflict, I think it's easy to forget that there are other ways to play the game.

Also, if a bill is presented, actually create a poll and require a vote. Majority rules. If you didn't vote, you can't complain.

 

[The End Narrator]

[member="Dair Cotarin"], [member="Lok Jorunn"]

Given the contents of this and it's purposes. Keep your insults to yourself or to PM or not at all.

They aren't warranted or conducive to resolution and when I have a moment to respond completely, more will become clear and has nothing to do with the Jedi which you RP. Maybe some has to do with the ships you fly but I don't see why that's so bad to be offered something.

Thank you.

 

[Lok Jorunn]

[member="Alyesa Organa"]

No insults have been said whatsoever.

You created this thread to garner the opinions and ideas of others, so we're voicing our opinions regarding the manner of which you brought this to the Republic's attention.

 

[H3xle]

[member="Alyesa Organa"]

Ms. Organa, I was extremely careful to keep my reply as neutral voiced as possible. No insult was intended, nor written. Only my opinions.

You yourself posted this in the Galactic Republic Out Of Character forum, which I see as an invite for commentary. I am an active writer in the Galactic Republic and therefore anything that pertains to the Republlic pertains to me as a writer and I would thank you very kindly to not attempt to stifle the opinions of people who play here.

This entire site is a community of like minded people, and this Republic is a community within that one of people who want to see done what is best for the Galactic Republic, both IC and OOC, and you do not have the right to post here so openly and then deny the opinions of others.

Civility, not rancor, will see the issues that you have presented to us pass without drama.

 

[Seraphina Shel'tah]

Keep this civil or I will lock this thread.

I agree with [member="Jack Sparrow"]. Perhaps it is time that we as a faction have a sit down and discuss in greater detail the role the Senate should play within the Galactic Republic. To give their debates, political stances, and characters more purpose. The restructure of the military seems to have inspired a great deal of activity since it was done. I think we can accomplish the same goal with the Senate.

The issue mentioned by Jack over the IC power with presiding over things that are simply out of their control (Droid banning/usage, weapon banning/usage, etc) should be handled separately, and perhaps the direction the Senate takes with regard to what can logically be RP'd for everyone involved would spur a lot more activity and purpose behind the Senate.

 

[Gir Quee]

To clarify my earlier post, I'm not saying that the Senate shouldn't have any power IC or OOC, but that such power shouldn't be to the potential detriment of the other writers who have made the Republic their home.

I really like Jack Sparrow's comments. A lot of Chaos does seem to be PVP, but really, the universe that Star Wars is set in is so vast that there's really a lot that we can, but haven't yet. And it's important things that could sway the outcome of some of our battles in the future.

Some other ideas for the Senate to might be to do diplomatic missions with other nations and exchange treaties.

For example, this could lead to having a Mandalorian embassy on Onderon. If Onderon ever ends up being invaded by the Sith, suddenly there's a very good reason to have Mandalorian allies at our side: they live there.

Other things could be technology or force technique exchanges, setting up mutual defense treaties, and so forth.

And yes, I think that we could even go back to councils for some of this stuff.

 

[Tyl Ro]

I've been hesitant to post because, while I've been around for a few months, I'm not quite as familiar with these issues as some of our other seasoned veterans are. But I'm still a member of the Republic, and I have my own opinions on things from my time here, and as a writer on numerous sites over the years.

First and foremost, isn't the point of all this to have fun?

I write for fun. It's not a job, it's not a chore, I'm not being pressured by parents, or society, or whatever else. So any effort that we should take from an OOC standpoint should only ever seek to increase the fun factor. How can we encourage the writers within our borders to reach the potential they have within themselves? How can we take criticism and turn it positively in order to ensure everyone has as much of a chance at enjoyment as everyone else? Especially in opposition to putting everything under a negative blanket, passing around blame, hurting feelings. The latter sentence will only serve to turn writers away, thus decreasing the fun meter to less than fun, and discouraging new folks from participating.

As for IC, my observations of Chaos as a whole is as follows: if there's a character you want to play, you are fully encouraged to pursue that character. There may be avenues already available, niches that your character can fill, but if not, take the role of pathfinder as a writer and have at it until other people listen to you.

Chaos is action driven (because what percentage of 6 year olds watched the Star Wars movies and didn't envision themselves in the cockpit of a starfighter, or wielding a lightsaber, or running heists in... kneehigh leather boots, I guess, I don't know). So it makes sense that the majority of characters created are action oriented: soldiers, pilots, Force-users, smugglers, intel operatives. Senate characters? Not action oriented. Not that they can't, but how many politicians IRL do you know that are capable of fencing?

Does this leave certain avenues of rp quite noticeably vacant? Yes. Underappreciated? Yes. But again, if the system changes, it should only change in response to my first point: fun. How can we encourage folks to take active roles with Senate characters? How can we make a Senate character fun for those who would wish to pursue one. Simply exchanging power won't make it fun. It might give power to certain people, but most writers feel undermined by that kind of authority, and unhappy writers lead to less interest and activity.

Let's keep this fun. I will back whatever change comes along so long as it serves the writers and their enjoyment of this game we all so lovingly pursue.