Give MF a recall grace period when changing FOs

[Darth Carnifex]

I support the idea of when you're dead, you're dead.

No need to waste staff's time by trying to circumvent your own inevitable faction death.

 

[RC 212]

If anything staff should recall sooner and be stricter about it. If your faction doesn't have the writer base it just doesn't and you're robbing other factions of a chance to flourish.

IE there are tons of factions where staff disappears but as soon as they get the recall after bout five months of their board being desolate and them not doing a single thread it's all hands on board. Let it die.

Let someone else get the writers and tell a new story.

 

[Julius Sedaire]

No.

It's too open for abuse and in too limited a fashion to really be useful. Is it unfair in my case, where I don't honestly even think our activity was as bad as some other Major Factions have been, who were allowed to linger on much longer before recall? Yes. Should we probably get a slightly more lenient option? I think so. Am I going to whine and cry, or beg for an exception if we don't? No. I'm going to either flip the switch, or go out guns blazing with the best effort I can provide.

You'll notice two internal Faction Threads, a Dominion, a co-op attempt with the Sov & Collective folks up. All were being planned without the notice, but they are up now to show intent for ORC. There is even more planned in the works thread wise, 4-5 more actually... If I can't get enough going in two weeks, with that many ideas, then staff has been absolutely right to bring up a conversation about our status, and I'm happy to have said conversation. Because we can adjust to the Faction's specific situation as it is now. This rule would force a certain set of circumstances that are very open to abuse.

K.I.S.S. is a applicable saying here. No need for a new rule. Leave staff flexible, free, and able to react as needed. And i'll see what I can do in the first place on the specific instance being discussed.

[member="Cassandra Paige"] | [member="Tefka"]

 

[Marina DeVoe]

Speaking on a personal level; I would have liked to have been given the FWC at least two months grace after our FO exchange.
Not that our previous wasn't doing their best... only that personally, I didn't know of all the faction rules and what not. When I became aware, I changed from character development stories, to faction based stories. Little too late.
My err...sure.
But grace period considerations should at least be looked into on an individual basis, as some here have already stated. Those who abuse it, will certainly be known and denied this grace.

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

A faction is more than an owner. A faction is its admins and moderators and members.

Yes, changing your faction owner can be disruptive, but if it happens in a period of booming activity they would never be considered for recall in any case.

I have done almost every faction owner transfer for the last year, and I am not insensible to this problem. However, the owner is one person, a faction should have many active. Sure, a new owner might reinvigorate activity, but if it's dead they shouldn't expect special treatment.

The issue mentioned above where factions change owner when the faction is inactive is a thing, I've seen it multiple times. This is why the recall votes are 2 weeks apart. We're not asking for miracles, we're asking for signs of life, a will to continue with the faction. If we get that we are very lenient in giving factions a second (and third, fourth, fifth) chance.

 

[Damien Van-Derveld]

Votes are only 2 weeks apart?

[member="Valiens Nantaris"]

Isn’t that a bit close together? Why not one month? I just know how fast 2 weeks go by for me, and in that span how little posting happens when I’m busy. I get that a booming faction doesn’t have that problem, but 2 weeks is not a long enough window for most to ramp activity and recruit new members.

Granted recalls aren’t the end if the work is put in...

 

[Jorus Merrill]

I'm all for reasonable accommodation, but ORC doesn't need a grace period. With all respect to what other factions have been through, two weeks is plenty of time for all members to decide whether they want to stay major and get active enough to make that happen. A faction owner transfer doesn't need to affect that very much. Any faction member can make a fun faction thread.

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

[member="Damien Van-Derveld"]
Recall votes are and always have been two weeks from the first to second vote.

Considering the state of some factions recalled, who have not had a post in months, and will not have a vote in 2, 4 or 20 weeks, I feel extending the time is not justified.

As I said and have said to every inquiry, we ask not for miracles, but effort. We're very willing to give factions a second go, sometimes we've given certain factions a third or fourth go too over the years. Get yourselves active, get some threads going, show us you care about your faction, and we're likely to believe you.

[member="Jorus Merrill"] mirrors my thoughts on this.

 

[Jsc]

Nah. Be strict.

My bias is towards huge activity IC. Explosive growth. Concerns of steamrolling opponents. Multiple mains. Demands for more sub forums. Etc. I believe in growing pains. Not weekly wastelands. 2c. Good topic. No hate. All love.

 

[Logen Brunner]

Question for the staff. When looking at activity levels of the faction, does one take into consideration of outside memberbase attraction they acquire as well? For those factions that are open to having non members join their dominions and faction threads. Or is it strictly just faction active member count?

 

[Karlie Lynn Destat]

Most excellent question [member="Logen Brunner"] , as I'm currently in such a thread, supporting GA dominion of Alderaan.
My faction CIS will get no credit for it under present circumstances I believe. But in that GA dominion thread, I am representing CIS. Also a few of CIS members are doing the same.

So I support your question to the staff, Mr Brunner.

 

[Eralam]

Way I see it, if a faction changes leadership and gets recalled shortly thereafter, that's just the sort of crisis an effective leader can use to their advantage. It all depends on how you look at the problem.

You could look at it as a wakeup call. Get your people together and get something going. Use it as a stepping stone to breathe new life into the faction, and build upon that foundation. It's hard work, but most folks don't mind a little work if it means saving something they've invested in.

Or, you could look at it as the straw that breaks the camel's back. Gloom and despair, gloom and despair, how will we ever endure this hardship? Better throw in the towel now.

I hate to say it, but if you're not the sort to choose option 1, no grace period is going to save the faction.

I'm fully aware of the sort of miracles a capable leadership team can work on an ailing faction, but it requires a lot of work and a can-do attitude. Or, failing that, enough stubbornness to dig your heels and refuse to let it die. And sometimes, even the best leaders will fail, because they're only part of the equation. If the faction's writers simply aren't interested anymore, it's kinder just to let it die.

 

[Ellie Mors]

[member="Logen Brunner"] [member="Karlie Lynn Destat"]
Helping another faction get back on their feet again is going to help both factions in terms of a show of activity.

 

[Marina DeVoe]

Question:
Can Faction threads be private? Two different individual writers from opposing factions, or do they all need to be open threads?

 

[Ra Vizsla]

[member="Logen Brunner"] [member="Karlie Lynn Destat"] [member="Eralam"] [member="Lily Kuhn"] [member="Marina DeVoe"]

I’d bet 500 Hutt Bucks that nobody who matters on Staff is still reading this thread since it’s been answered, and that you should probably start new threads for each new question.

Otherwise it’s just kinda lazy and likely to not be answered and even if it was answered, who’d know to come to this thread for it?

 

[Marina DeVoe]

There's the ol' 'Follow this topic' thingy on top right of the thread that interested parties often activate...

But I always give everyone the benefit of the doubt [member="Naga"] .
I've assumed a few rules around here myself already and found out I was mistaken. Since this topic is still fresh, why wouldn't it be looked at by the staff? My question is on topic, dealing with a faction getting credit by two writers interacting. My question is; how many writers are needed in a faction thread?

 

[Tefka]

[member="Marina DeVoe"]

You don’t have to follow my advice. Why would you, it’s not like I know what I’m doing or have the most experience here.

I get it, sometimes we just have to argue that the sky isn’t blue or ignore blatantly good advice even when it’s suplexing our innards into our outtards.

 

[Tefka]

#threadlocked

#createanewthreadfornewquestionsyasnowflakes