Incorporating the Sith into the First Order

[Jaron Lesan]

2. For now I'm going to say no on this. Our KoR members have made it clear that they wish to retain their unique quality. The Knights of Ren follow a very specific philosophy and so they should be indoctrinated only by other members with the same philosophy. If you want to train KoR, you should become a KoR yourself.

However, you can train other Sith Apprentices here. As I've said, the First Order will be a "safe haven" for Sith to continue their cult, so long as they remain loyal to us.

Not to rain on anyone's parade but this should apply to all Sith then... if they are not going to be KoR they should not teach Ren. Unfortunately if anyone wanted to push it this could be made an issue if we do not say no to everyone that is not exclusively Ren.

I'm just saying that to be sure that is what is being said here? This will really force everyone to choose a distinction and draw clear lines. I am happy no matter what is decided here because I know that finding a trainer is hard come by... and I also support the Ren keeping their flavor.

 

[Darth Eversor]

This is certainly an interesting discussion, so I think I'll throw in my two cents on this.

I've personally wondered what it would be like if Sith and Ren were to coincide or work together somehow, and the answer didn't really seem clear at first or if they would be mutual on how things work, and by things I'm hinting at the implications of what comes with being Sith as opposed to how KoR handles their business. But now, I think I have a greater understanding of what differentiates the qualities.

There isn't much lore to go on for the KoR, so my best guess is that we make up things as we go along, no? Unless I'm wrong in my logic, then isn't everything up to speculation and how Ren conduct themselves? Everything I've seen paints them to be not -too- different from their Dark Side counterparts, aside from the First Order itself. To be quite frank, I don't see the KoR as "bad guys". Yes, they dwell on the darker side of the spectrum, but they don't seem as bloodthirsty.

One question I'd like to ask is if the KoR all see Vader as an inspiration? It might sound silly but there are other canonical KoR figures that bear a resemblance in-line with Kylo's, correct me if I'm wrong in this theory.

But now on to the meat of this rambling. Darth Eversor/Silas Verd/Abraxas was and still is in a sense a discharge of Sith heritage and much more bloodthirsty and chaotic dealings. Silas Verd is the body Abraxas inhabits as a dark entity, but now there is a conflict within the host vessel. Both souls that inhabit the body are vying for control, leaving a sort of blank slate until one presence overpowers the other and gains full control. This leaves the twisted vessel at a crossroads of emotion and who they really are, neither being good nor evil in definition.

So what I guess I'm trying to get at is what the KoR would make of this circumstance?

 

[Iroatas]

Not all KoR would see Vader as an inspiration, for Chaos Canon anyway, mostly because according to Chaos we wouldn't know of him. Sure Kylo Ren was obsessed with him because he knew him as his Grandfather etc, but you can see that the helmet and everything is in a private room, rather than being in a gallery, so to speak.

Worshipping Darth Vader was most likely just Kylo's thing.

"I will finish what you started," rather than, "We will finish what you started," 'we' being the Order of Ren.

In your specific situation, I'd say the Knights of Ren wouldn't give a kark. You're Sith, or rather, a part of you is, and so you'll be treated as such. If you're constantly combating yourself, how do we know if the original host is 100% Ren, and isn't being influenced by the Sith side?

[member="Darth Eversor"]

 

[Darth Eversor]

[member="Iroatas"]

That makes more sense now, thank you. As for Eversor and his situation, the end-game result may be a merge of the two souls. One of Light, and the other of Dark. Ultimately he may become more gray-aligned than anything, but he is still coherent enough as a person to understand and make choices. His reasoning for even joining up with the KoR would be to find a resolve, or rather, a redemption among them.

 

[Iroatas]

[member="Darth Eversor"]

Speaking for my own character here, as long as he isn't deemed as a threat to the Supreme Leader and isn't regarded as hostile towards First Order officials and the faction itself, he wouldn't pay him much mind.

Probably help for whatever it was worth if he was asked.

 

[Darth Eversor]

[member="Iroatas"]

Well as far as everything else goes, I would very much like to develop this character into the Ren culture. Whatever development I can get I'll take.

 

[OK-3103]

There is an old English saying, "The proof of the pudding is in the eating."

We can debate and philosophise forever and build in checks and balances until the cows come home. Sometimes you just have to go with it and see what happens.

 

[Nabrina Vao]

[member="Iroatas"]

This. If anything, the little in-character tensions you can play out as a result of the understandably uneasy alliance between the Sith and the Knights of Ren would make the experience all the more enjoyable and substantial.

 

[Nabrina Vao]

[member="Darth Eversor"]

Speaking for my own character here, as long as he isn't deemed as a threat to the Supreme Leader and isn't regarded as hostile towards First Order officials and the faction itself, he wouldn't pay him much mind.

Probably help for whatever it was worth if he was asked.

This.

It'd make for some pretty interesting scenarios though as the awkward and uneasy alliance between the KoR and the Sith, also how the rest of the FO perceive it would play out across several threads.

History in the making!