Interest check...

[Kaili Talith]

I support The Underground and prefer just being the Minor Faction rebelling against others rather than remaining on the map just because we got our old FO back.

I love what [member="Bryce Bantam"] is doing with the faction and the traction we are regaining, but the last time our FO disappeared we fell apart and were on the brink of "returning to the shadows" because nobody had the desire or chance or time to step up and replace him as leader. If that happens again, what is the point?

If we are to remain major I want at least two other individuals to step up right now and say "You know what? I am willing to lead in case something goes wrong." Faction Ownership can be stressful in itself depending on who is in charge and if we only have a single person willing to step up to that plate and tackle it, then again, what is the point? And I am not talking Faction Administrators, I am talking replacements for whoever is Faction Owner at the time. People who can find it within themselves to take over the Owner's reins if things end up in that particular zone.

We had unanimous support for going minor and the fact that we're back tracking so bad right now over Tefka's proposed changes kind of irks me.

 

[Jairus Starvald]

I'd also like to bring up that Alderaan is already attempting a coalition/alliance of free worlds in their hex, as a rebellion against the Mandalorians.

Two factions with the same kind of flavor probably won't work out all that well.

 

[Elpsis Kerrigan]

On the one hand, I'd dig a neutral, independent major faction that has teeth in principle. For one, I've had trouble getting a number of my chars to fit into a major faction since I left the Omega Protectorate and they dissolved.


That said, I agree with [member="Kaili Talith"]. It's nice to see that the faction suddenly has all this support...but not so long ago there was also unanimous support for going minor and just being the Underground again.


This seems like a knee-jerk reaction to Tefka's discussion thread (and unless I'm mistaken, no concrete rule changes have even been proposed, there's just been a lot of talk about how to make major factions more appealing and fill the map game with life).

And I am not talking Faction Administrators, I am talking replacements for whoever is Faction Owner at the time. People who can find it within themselves to take over the Owner's reins if things end up in that particular zone.

This, too.

 

[Bryce Bantam]

[member="Kaili Talith"] / [member="Tai Fa"] / [member="Elpsis Elaris"]

Guys some damn fine points, can't argue with them as they are valid and from the heart. But I would like to discuss them deeper.

I support The Underground and prefer just being the Minor Faction rebelling against others rather than remaining on the map just because we got our old FO back.

This seems like a knee-jerk reaction to Tefka's discussion thread (and unless I'm mistaken, no concrete rule changes have even been proposed, there's just been a lot of talk about how to make major factions more appealing and fill the map game with life).

Well Kaili its nice to be back and I agree, I should not be the reason to stay major. I also don't want this to be knee jerk. I know with my return their was those that expressed to me a want to stay major so that is why I'm placing a hold on flip to minor not canceling it, nothing is in stone and I want to make sure now that me and Tekfa stuff is going down this reviewed. I don't want there to be, i wish we had tried in peeps minds as that builds bad feelings.

Also the underground will be a minor faction again, one way or another. What I am posing here is unwinding the underground from the major concept. By nature TU is a minor faction, we were a square peg in a round hole as a major. This review is more for me to see if enough folks want to me major to have a sustainable faction while allowing those who want to be full blown rebel can be. PS Jorus will be taking the TU back if we split)

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If we are to remain major I want at least two other individuals to step up right now and say "You know what? I am willing to lead in case something goes wrong." Faction Ownership can be stressful in itself depending on who is in charge and if we only have a single person willing to step up to that plate and tackle it, then again, what is the point? And I am not talking Faction Administrators, I am talking replacements for whoever is Faction Owner at the time. People who can find it within themselves to take over the Owner's reins if things end up in that particular zone.

Oh please god yes, even if I need a LOA to recharge knowing I have one or two to support me would be a huge stress reliever.

We had unanimous support for going minor and the fact that we're back tracking so bad right now over Tefka's proposed changes kind of irks me.

Deff not trying to urk people here. What I'm looking for is the best solution for everyone. From offline conversations I'm finding some voted yes to the minor because the couldntt see a way to stay major. As i have said stuff has changed so I wanna talk, no harm in that right?

I'd also like to bring up that Alderaan is already attempting a coalition/alliance of free worlds in their hex, as a rebellion against the Mandalorians. Two factions with the same kind of flavor probably won't work out all that well.

Tai, - first off great point, but let me ask this, the GA and silvers are an alliance of planets also right? As far as framework goes any alliance would be a copy of them. Where they are different is flavor and our flavor I think is different is we have that firefly, old west outer rim feel. That said I don't think that is what the Alderaan alliance is going for but while we will share base concepts (tough not to do and stay major) I think we will offer more in the way of freedom of content and a less shiney feel.

If I'm wrong let me know.

Once again playing devils advocate here at the end of this we will have a vote so i'm not going to over power people here. Keep talking I want to here all sides!

 

[Jorus Merrill]

[member="Kaili Talith"]
[member="Elpsis Elaris"]
Worth noting that this isn't primarily about Tef's discussion threads. Bryce came back, I wrapped up a bunch of stuff I'd committed to, and now the last two faction owners are back. As for getting and training a strong staff team, that would absolutely be a priority.

 

[Joza Perl]

Agree 100% with [member="Bryce Bantam"] and [member="Jorus Merrill"] in that we need a strong staff team. Part of the reason things fell apart midway through the Jelucan dom was because staff sort of just disappeared. Once we realized oh crap, there's a time limit on this thing and we lose the hex if we don't make the cutoff, we managed to rally enough activity to keep the hex. This sort of thing shouldn't happen.

After that, we really didn't have much direction--no real leadership, just a bunch of people milling about, wanting to do something but not knowing what because no one could really step up and take charge of things, nor could we really definitively agree on what exactly it was that we were. Some people wanted to keep to the Underground roots, and others (yo) wanted a more interactive map-game approach. I think that if done right, Bryce's proposed solution could carry us well as a major faction. It's going to take time and work, but if we build up a good, solid staff team who knows what we're about (once we figure that out) we'd sail a lot more smoothly in the event that Bryce goes on LOA.

 

[Kaili Talith]

[member="Jorus Merrill"] || [member="Bryce Bantam"]

Okay then, that's good. I just don't want us to end up in the same seat again in case there is another bout of inactivity from leadership again, that is all.

The vote might have been skewered by fear, and that makes sense. I am fairly certain I too had the same reaction one way or the other, and I am also not blind to the fact that people seem to want to keep the fight up as a major. I would not try to stop that in any way. If a team is being tutored by old leadership that's even better news.

With my worries somewhat calmed I'll give the whole Major Faction aspect another shot. I mean, I still prefer the Underground, but there is always next time, right?

Yeah, okay, you have me with.
Also, wrong time to mention, but I am open for that whole tutelage deal.

 

[Julius Sedaire]

Y'know what? I had offered to help the GA, but if we're staying here. IF we're gonna try this as Major too. Eff this. You need a break Bryce, you got one. I'm good to help however, whenever, in whatever way. I'll try and wrap up Ijaat in the next week and focus entirely here as much as I can.

To start that, I think if we form a Government, we need some sort of Force Order or Organization. If i'm jumping the gun, tell me... But I have ideas to that end as well, if you want my help.

 

[Jorus Merrill]

Something sherriffy comes to mind, as far as Force stuff goes.

 

[Julius Sedaire]

[member="Jorus Merrill"] - I'm your huckleberry...

 

[Kimiko Taiyou]

Imagine this. All these worlds we protected go 'thanks, that's great, but we need something more concrete.' they make an actual government of sorts, maybe with the alliance of free worlds model, maybe from choosing to become protectorates of the strongest among them (Kathol Republic, Kal'Shebbol, etc.). So all of us either go 'yeah we'll stick around and help' or head off to fight elsewhere.

As for what this government could stand for, I could see getting some traction as an alliance of free worlds that's big on liberating crap (nearby enemies: FO, IR). Think a proactive version of the Levantine Sanctum, a non-horde Fringe, Firefly's Independents, or a wilder, less law-and-order GA. Pluralist and individualist, big on self-determination, almost libertarian but interventionist. Might be kind of suspicious of how shiny and law-and-order the GA is. Aesthetics might range from Firefly to Westerns to the grungy side of cyberpunk.

After reading through this entire thread, I completely agree with what [member="Jorus Merrill"] mentions here.

The Kathol Outback was never meant to be a standing government on it's own, just working towards the freedom of those planets under it's protection to establish themselves. Now, that we have more or less accomplished that goal, we should move on, allow a REAL government take over Kathol Space and return to the Underground butt-kickers we were when I first showed up.

[member="Bryce Bantam"]

 

[Bryce Bantam]

Ok seems like most folks active had a chance to speak their peace, will be throwing up the vote tomorrow, so last call for comments.

 

[Dax Perl]

I like pie

(Couldnt help being a troll)