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Law or Chaos?

Lawful or Chaotic?


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Nyxie

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So interestingly enough, I took a test, and it came up Lawful Good bordering Neutral Good.... (going with the latter for a moment here)

So unless you're adherently and vehemently opposed to any form of law and are "sticking it to the man" or "not part of your system," you're just not Chaotic.

This means Aynea's use of Sith Magic and practically-Crusade against the Sith aren't always "law"-abiding, but not chaotic because they don't serve to defy law in the name of freedom; simply break the law when it is for the greater good. Who knew?! :D

Silara, Alex and I were actually just having an interesting conversation about how Chaos and Neutrality are usually confused.
 
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Those alignment tests are as skewed and retarded as most "What Harry Potter Character Am I?" or "What Political Party Do I Belong To?".

As for the two alignments in question, I agree with Silara that Neutral doesn't mean "Do whatever the hell I want." A neutral character is one, in my opinion, that looks out for himself most of all and tries to avoid taking sides, but is not an unmeasurable dicks that spites everybody because "He's looking out for himself". He helps those in need when he can (Neutral Good) or when it benefits them (True Neutral / Arguably Chaotic Neutral). An example of Neutral would the members of a tightly knit village community.
 
Zoey is actually really any of the Chaotic ones to be honest. She sees the good in Law and will follow it, but will do whatever she wants when it comes down to it. As well, she can be a little bit of a nutcase about some things like Religion and others calling her names. it straight up makes her go batty when people call her nicknames (except for a few people who I will not mention for reasons of my own.) And she really is a Free spirit. She does what she likes and what she wants, and normally does not get in trouble with it. About the only thing she doesn't go against is the Aesir's words and laws. (sometimes) Even then she might go against them because she thinks its the wrong thing to do. But more often than not, she will go along with it simply because she choses to do so. However, Zoey/Pyrrha will lean more towards True neutral throughout her story.
 
Neutral is the fabulous vantage from which you get to watch every one else parade about in their delusion, rising and falling for their cause. You get to love them for their beauty as well as their flaws. Less exclusivity means bigger parties.

That said, Lawful has the biggest opportunity to be lame. Its ability to be compelling is entirely dependent on the creativity of their home society's founders, and tends to find discussions regarding alternatives rather tedious (as exhibited by a number of the threads of this nature). Chaotic is beautiful because the desire for grace is raw and unfiltered, even if it's sometimes puerile and crude. Ask a kid what is best in life.

Ron Swanson is Chaotic Good.
 

Moss

Where the Truth Lies
I never had much love for this spectrum. It's a helpful tool when you're formulating your character at the very early stages, but beyond that is fairly strange to me.

What constitutes as good or as evil? A (proper) evil character rarely does what he or she does just for the delight of being foul. There's a justification for actions that others perceive as wrong. Morality, in my opinion, doesn't exist of a good to evil spectrum. It's much more three-dimensional than that.

You could probably argue the same for Lawful-Chaotic, which I feel has a direct tie-in to morality. A character exercising free expression in a totalitarian society is acting chaotically, though it would be business as usual in a republican society. You have to think that this is amplified when we're talking about a political landscape as large and diverse as a galaxy!

I don't know. Maybe I'm looking too far into this?

I would consider Moss, using this scale, to be Lawful-Neutral, whereas he would probably consider himself to be Lawful-Good.

Really, if you ask me, any character that considers himself and his actions to be evil loses a lot of legitimacy.
 
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Moss said:
A character exercising free expression in a totalitarian society is acting chaotically, though it would be business as usual in a republican society.
Wow! I've never actually considered that before!

Thanks for sharing that insight :)
 
Fabula's Neutral Emo. Or was, the last time I played her.

From a tabletop player's perspective, Lawful and Neutral are relatively harmless to party with and easy on your DM. Chaotic can be harmless, but it tends to be the alignment that most players choose when they want to play a wackjob, psycho, or "bad" guy. Meanwhile, the worst a Lawful character (who is not also Evil) usually gets is "annoyingly stuck-up."
 
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Lawful. Always.

I have a cold hatred for characters that are "chaotic" and think it's so much fun to wreck everything. This is compounded in a Free Form environment where you can't kill them or even hurt them without their permission, allowing them to continue their bullpoodoo consequence free. This is alleviated somewhat in game systems with mechanics and rules in place that allow you to punish such characters for their asshattery.

Anyways, that's my two cents.
 
I am just a bit tired of seeing people masquerade as "chaotic" when in truth it is only Chaotic + Evil that has anything to do with destroying things on a whim, and that whim is actually your emotional-derived decision, not just a random action. Chaotic in the sense of alignment is based on how you act, and that action being derived from feelings, emotions, and conscience is considered chaotic, as it is not defined by an "order" or "code". It does not mean that you are literally chaotic and just break things for the sake of breaking things. Chaotic does not mean insane.

And Lawful is usually played in the most boring of ways, Janus being the only one who seems to understand how Lawful Evil works from what I've seen in all honesty. Everyone assumes it means a strict adherence to policies, rules, or a code that was set either by a group or government or faction. Generally this is only the case if you're loyal to said party. Lawful also means you may follow your own set of codes or morals, which some may believe is chaotic, but those rules are set in stone and are unchanging, much unlike your emotions that are an ever-conflicting stream of crazy(non-literal crazy).

Neutral is most often thought of in the way that Chaotic is actually defined, in that said person whom claims to be neutral will act in a way that will benefit themselves the greatest because they only care about themselves (greed/envy/etc - Chaotic Neutral), and do not follow rules but are not batpoodoo insane. This is essentially the description of the combined alignment known as Chaotic Neutral, in that you make emotionally derived or non-standard choices based on your situation, and are neutral in the good v evil scheme of things, perhaps seeing the two as merely two sides to the same coin or something to that effect. Neutral in the law v chaos spectrum, however, is applied a bit differently, and is often harder to conceive in one's character due to the fact that it actually requires a bit of forethought and planning, and is much more intellectually involved than the concept of law or chaos, as Lawful behave based on a code, Chaos on emotion and such, while Neutral is actually much more difficult to describe.

Neutral characters believe that the two whom act within the realm of Lawfulness are just the same as those whom act chaotically, and both are delusional in their debates of the two "sides", while Neutral act objectively to every situation and decision in order to reach a desired goal, one which is usually dependent on their Good - Neutral(True) - Evil scale. The way I describe this is that Lawful people act subjectively based on their rules and codes, chaotic people act subjectively based on their emotions, and neutrals act objectively based on what is perceived as the best course of action for the best possible result. As such, I often see myself as neutral in these alignments(as far as Lawful and Chaotic go), as I am able to act in ways that I see being the best decision, while others act in ways that fit their schemes or ideals.

And the "test" that Ashe described was a very accurate survey which goes down a list of 36 questions that basically try to find out how you would act in each of the 36 scenarios, and its flaws are covered by the way it gives you a soft answer to describe what you most often act as, while it then scales down from each alignment combination (Lawful/Good to Chaotic/Evil as an example) with a "hit count" that basically says you are more often than not going to act this way, while you may on occasion act like this, and then rarely act like so. I, for example, got a score of 27 on Neutral & Evil combo, with a 4 on Lawful Good and a 2 on Chaotic Neutral.

Edit: The test results detail a score for each alignment combination to explain that you are not locked into one alignment, but are capable of all of them, with a score to sort of detail your likelihood to act in such a way.
 

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