Lightsaber Resistant Swag

[Blacktail]

So, recently I've begun to notice something. What really struck me though was a faction thread in the forums of one of the factions I'm in, claiming every other major faction has lightsaber resistant X and Y and restricted Z. It went on to claim that without it, we wouldn't be competitive. To me, this was a very bad sign, as it automatically implied that it's so overly relied on that it is now seen as a necessity just to survive an stay afloat. When did having uber armor and tech become a roleplay requirement?

Personally, I thought it was really lame, because there are sooo many other neat, innovative ways to gear up or prep oneself without the need to slap whatever rare and overpowered material they can find on - just to survive!

Does anyone else feel the same? Do you guys think these kinds of items are too heavily relied on/overused?



Edit: PS. I guarantee it is because of things like this that the factory is down; food for thought.

 

[Ellie Mors]

The factory is NOT meant to be competitive. This sort of thinking is the issue that most people seem to ignore.

 

[Grrwunhoooll Agaburry]

I say No because theirs always a way around it. I know almost for Force users if a Enemy is outfited in all Lightsaber Resistant stuff then a simple strong Force push followed by a Pull can do the trick. Or a Strong Force Crush. The Possibilities for Force users are endless if you think of them.

For Non-FOrce users id just Reccomend Over-kill.

Having Fancy Gear is Apart of the Starwars Universe and the Chaos that it makes. I feel if it was restricted more it would only take away from the Chaos

 

[Blacktail]

Having Fancy Gear is Apart of the Starwars Universe and the Chaos that it makes. I feel if it was restricted more it would only take away from the Chaos

True, but realistically speaking, things like Beskar'gam and Phrik and uber-weapons were/are rare in canon, and usually very exclusive. We completely break that mould, however, and go on to think that without it, we can't have fun.

Did every clone trooper have "fancy gear," or a white recycling bin cut in half?

Did every NFU require something just short of an artillery vehicle to take out a knight, or was it tactics and numbers?

 

[Sarge Potteiger]

The factory is NOT meant to be competitive. This sort of thinking is the issue that most people seem to ignore.

The Factory is also meant to be a supplement and optional. Both of which people seem to ignore.

 

[Ak'lya]

The problem is that armor that can block a saber is an easy way out. You don't need to worry about Force-users out there. You have your phrik or beskar or cortosis or whatever. These metals are useful until we find a weakness. And if you can play a character who doesn't need armor, but can still hold his own (or even best) a force user or a fully-armored Mando, props to you. Especially as an NFU.

What we need is not less saber resistance. What we need is more creative ways around lightsabers.

Armor was so last century.

 

[Ynnead Longeye]

If you're too quick to hit, you don't need armor to win.

 

[Soeht]

I'm against regulations for a lot of things and I actually see nothing wrong in melee weapons being lightsaber resistant (KOTOR, anyone?). I find it laughable how easy it is to get lightsaber resistant armor, though, despite canon being explicit on its rarity. Yet, such is not an issue I see worth worrying about - especially when there are tons of Force-using characters using canonically rare Force powers (and some of dubious canonicity).

Protip though: A lot of times, these overpowered monstrosities that people create are actually fairly easily countered via common sense and matching their effort in kind.

 

[Garza]

Um the only lightsaber resistance I have is my beskad. Which is a canon sword. Nothing special about it, and yet, I have used it since I was an apprentice.

Does this count me in the group of "uses less LSR user reform group"?

On a more sierious note, I find that people who use so much of it to where it is almost excessive is kind of redundant, but all I do is just not RP fights with them. Done.

 

[Lysle of the Hydian Way]

People should acknowledge that technology is much like a snowball. Once we got it rolling, it was slow to start but it gets faster and faster. Think about all that we have achieved in the past two decades. It's very VERY impressive. Now put that in the scenario Star Wars is in, and since the original trilogy it has been 800 years, not 20. There would have been A LOT of progress. This can also include production of better armour, and more efficiently. Much like we're able to produce a sword far better than we could have 800 years ago. 800 years ago, a Katana could take up to a year to forge. Today, well, it's a lot more simpler than that.

 

[Serian Loria]

With my character I don't use a lightsaber at all, I have one, but I don't require it.
I don't even have armor, though I would like to get something if only to protect, but I've never been one to try and make myself a walking target as those 'uber geared' people tend to be lol.
Might as well have a sign above your heads going 'Oh break me now' because it always looks to me like they are the first ones taken out in a fight.
I wouldn't mind seeing it taken out and maybe only seen as say, a reward for completing events perhaps?
If its become a crutch too relied upon when the writer is more than capable, take it away.
Yes, people will be mad, but people get huffy puffy whiney cry-ey over far far smaller things as is, like always they'll suck it up and adapt or gtfo.
Obviously there are cultures that make use of such armor, but even they gatta work for it, its not handed to them.
If all it takes for a person to 'survive' is slapping on something they wrote a post and submitted to the judges, then there is a major flaw in the system.


That is my opinion however.
But when has 'progress' equaled 'better'?

 

[Nyxie]

I'm with [member="Pyrrha Nikkita"] in that I have an alchemic sword... oh, and a single crushgaunt with claws. I've never used nor needed the armor.

I know it's kind of easy to work around, but just the general mentality that it's managed to become an almost standard asset is unsettling.

 

[Nyxie]

This turned out to be surprisingly pretty even. I thought it was going to be a landslide "No - gtfo" lol. Good to see some people are still conscientious about their stuff and others.

 

[Sarge Potteiger]

People should acknowledge that technology is much like a snowball. Once we got it rolling, it was slow to start but it gets faster and faster. Think about all that we have achieved in the past two decades. It's very VERY impressive. Now put that in the scenario Star Wars is in, and since the original trilogy it has been 800 years, not 20. There would have been A LOT of progress. This can also include production of better armour, and more efficiently. Much like we're able to produce a sword far better than we could have 800 years ago. 800 years ago, a Katana could take up to a year to forge. Today, well, it's a lot more simpler than that.

A lot of progress lost in the plague. Also, Star Wars has been shown to be pretty static in regards to technology. Blasters, ships, everything has remained (mostly) unchanged through history. So while yes, in real life, technology snowballs, Star Wars has shown that generally speaking, that's not true. Sure ships got bigger, and there were more guns on them, but that's the only truly noticeable change. They're using the same weapons as they always have, just on a larger scale and without much change.

If we assume that the standard turbolaser was around since at least 5,000 years into the Republic, it still look almost 21,000 years for someone to make a long range version of it.

That's pretty atrocious.

So I highly doubt that, three years after the plague that wiped out what amounted to the sum of galactic knowledge, we've suddenly figured out a way to make phrik easier to forge. Although, in fairness, I imagine it's comparatively simpler now to forge a plasteel chestguard for stormtrooper armor than it used to be, but we've no actual way of knowing that.

 

[Mrrew]

Dosen't use any speical materials.

(I have a Phrik blade i bought at the marketplace... but I use it more for something cool to hang form my belt then anything. >_>)

 

[Jonathon Patches]

Patches guide to fighting a force user:

Step 1. Run

Step 2. If step one failed, try again.

Step 3. If step one and two failed, repeat steps one thru two.

Step 4. "Ummmm... Little help, Ti'Cira?"

Step 5. If steps one thru four fail... Beg for your life.



Patches guide to fighting a non force user.

Step 1. See Patches guide to fighting a force user.



All joking aside, their is always a counter. Fling said target against a wall, throw a boulder on them. Use one of the three hundred and seven force skills most force users seem to have. If all else fails... Run!

I don't think the non force users are looking for a competitive advantage. They are just trying to come up with a feasible way to not be saber fodder for lightsaber wielding do goodness and evil spreaders! Think of the armour not as an advantage, but a "safety net" so that should they slip, be caught out of place, or be on the losing end, they don't loose a limb or their life... They just wake up with broken ribs and possibly a separated shoulder.

 

[Ak'lya]

I don't think the non force users are looking for a competitive advantage. They are just trying to come up with a feasible way to not be saber fodder for lightsaber wielding do goodness and evil spreaders! Think of the armour not as an advantage, but a "safety net" so that should they slip, be caught out of place, or be on the losing end, they don't loose a limb or their life... They just wake up with broken ribs and possibly a separated shoulder.

Yeah, pretty much. Still, it would be nice to see another way around it. Like someone learning how to use a saber themselves. Or some equally crazy way of doing it.

 

[Alpha]

I believe that maybe a character has to chose whether he wants epic armor, or an epic weapon with resistant materials. Limit it to two items at most, this will eliminate the idea that someone can have uber armor for every scenario. Another thing is, if a character wanted a different armor with material that's resistant to lightsabers, then I believe we should require them just to upgrade their current armor, or toss it away, and start over with something different. This will make people want to make a good decent armor the first time, that only needs upgrading every once and awhile, making everyone happy.

 

[Nyxie]

I don't think the non force users are looking for a competitive advantage. They are just trying to come up with a feasible way to not be saber fodder for lightsaber wielding do goodness and evil spreaders! Think of the armour not as an advantage, but a "safety net" so that should they slip, be caught out of place, or be on the losing end, they don't loose a limb or their life... They just wake up with broken ribs and possibly a separated shoulder.

Yeah, and what about the FU's with all of the above? :|

 

[GM-1693]

Well..heres a question...what apart canon armor that some use that already have lightsaber resistant material? Like the gloves of Imperial Knights that have Cortosis in it...do we allow them to use that without having to do the restricted item requirements? Or Mandalorian canon armor that already was made with Beskar? I mean..theres canon armors that have these already...that were in either mass or minor produced...some stronger than others. What does the board say about these things?