Typically a Mand'alor is also supported by the clans. So if some upstart came out of nowhere, challenged the Mand'alor and won, if the majority of the clans still supported Vilaz then...
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Mandalorian Government: The House System
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Aela Talith
The Righteous
Tbh I like this system, but it suffers from the same problem Sith and Jedi do; interpretation.
There are like 4-5 different variations and systems within Canon of what the Mandalorians are "supposed" to be and not everyone on Chaos agrees with what that is.
Aryn for his part basically believes in the Neo Crusader system. In the Neo Crusaders the Mandalorians are basically a military in it of themselves. The clans aren't really higlighted at all and instead things go in a hierarchy from Mand'alor to Field Marshall to Rally Masters, etc. In Aryn's mind a challenge to the Mand'alor most come from someone respected(In this circumstance the leader of a clan or a proven fighter), and thats about it.
-shrugs-
Dunno everyone has a different view.
There are like 4-5 different variations and systems within Canon of what the Mandalorians are "supposed" to be and not everyone on Chaos agrees with what that is.
Aryn for his part basically believes in the Neo Crusader system. In the Neo Crusaders the Mandalorians are basically a military in it of themselves. The clans aren't really higlighted at all and instead things go in a hierarchy from Mand'alor to Field Marshall to Rally Masters, etc. In Aryn's mind a challenge to the Mand'alor most come from someone respected(In this circumstance the leader of a clan or a proven fighter), and thats about it.
-shrugs-
Dunno everyone has a different view.
The Spacepiress of Chaos
We were just on different thoughts is all.
[member="Oron Verd"]
[member="Oron Verd"]
Olivia Dem'adas
Chief of Clan Dem'adas
Last time (or maybe the first time?) we had the discussion about "Houses" there was no Mand'alor and the Alor'e Council ruled the Mandalorians. My personal take on that bit of canon was that, for us on Chaos, it would make more sense for the Clan to be the larger organization of families and individual families to be called 'houses'. Which would keep to the older canon of each Clan possessing a single Alor and each clans' Alor sitting on the Alor'e Council. Doing it the other way gets confusing when you start looking at Clan Alor'e and House politics and trying to figure out who does or doesn't sit on the Alor'e Council.
I know Clan Verd likes to do it House > Clan, but that's them and this is chaos. Here on Chaos, individual writers are free to do whatever they want, however they want it done. (For the most part anyway) So the argument's kinda mute... Since any two groups of writers could choose to write the exact opposite thing and each would be just as right as the other.
Fun thing about Mandalorians, IC leaders, Factions on Chaos, and just play-by-post writing in general. IC leaders and events don't really have anything to do with OOC politics or groups. Olivia beats Munin in a fight? She's Mand'alor. She calls the shots for all Mandalorians. Regardless of if she ever joins your group or not.
Don't believe me? Read up on that time Ordo tried to assassinate the leader of the One Sith, got possessed, and became the IC leader of the One Sith.
That kinda crazy stuff is what makes Chaos fun.
Play the game, keep IC and OOC separate, and enjoy the consiquenses of IC victories and mistakes.
I know Clan Verd likes to do it House > Clan, but that's them and this is chaos. Here on Chaos, individual writers are free to do whatever they want, however they want it done. (For the most part anyway) So the argument's kinda mute... Since any two groups of writers could choose to write the exact opposite thing and each would be just as right as the other.
Kad Tor said:
Fun thing about Mandalorians, IC leaders, Factions on Chaos, and just play-by-post writing in general. IC leaders and events don't really have anything to do with OOC politics or groups. Olivia beats Munin in a fight? She's Mand'alor. She calls the shots for all Mandalorians. Regardless of if she ever joins your group or not.
Don't believe me? Read up on that time Ordo tried to assassinate the leader of the One Sith, got possessed, and became the IC leader of the One Sith.
That kinda crazy stuff is what makes Chaos fun.
Play the game, keep IC and OOC separate, and enjoy the consiquenses of IC victories and mistakes.
Wouldn't it be easier to use GIFs to express our feelings instead of paragraphs of angry words? Here, I'll start by posting one for this entire page.
Alkor Centaris
Son of Liberty
The logical inconsistency being that, up to now, she hasn't followed Vilaz or rallied at all, yet if she wins, everyone is expected to follow?
I'm not trying to be a wet blanket here, but no, you don't just get to say "this is how it's been done in the past, this is how we're going to do it." If you don't want to be a part of the faction, or be part of our story, you're welcome not to.
Don't come in out of nowhere, challenge a guy to a fight and expect to take over all the Mandos on the board. Obviously that isn't working for anyone.
By and large from the narrative I've seen of Clan Dem'adas, they've kept to themselves on Manda'yaim and farmed, and denounced verbosely the Mandos who left the planet in favor of colonization and rebuilding. That's fine, that's what your character decided, but then you go as far as to call them cowards, without soul, and everything else? I like that the character(s) stick to their guns on the issue and defend Mandalore when it makes sense, but I can't conceive of how she would care about a self-proclaimed Mandalore or those who follow him, let alone challenge him for a title she doesn't recognize him as having.
The dots just don't line up from where I'm looking.
I'm not trying to be a wet blanket here, but no, you don't just get to say "this is how it's been done in the past, this is how we're going to do it." If you don't want to be a part of the faction, or be part of our story, you're welcome not to.
Don't come in out of nowhere, challenge a guy to a fight and expect to take over all the Mandos on the board. Obviously that isn't working for anyone.
By and large from the narrative I've seen of Clan Dem'adas, they've kept to themselves on Manda'yaim and farmed, and denounced verbosely the Mandos who left the planet in favor of colonization and rebuilding. That's fine, that's what your character decided, but then you go as far as to call them cowards, without soul, and everything else? I like that the character(s) stick to their guns on the issue and defend Mandalore when it makes sense, but I can't conceive of how she would care about a self-proclaimed Mandalore or those who follow him, let alone challenge him for a title she doesn't recognize him as having.
The dots just don't line up from where I'm looking.
RC 212
HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPO!
So much drama. Who cares? Let's just write some more threads already.
Olivia Dem'adas
Chief of Clan Dem'adas
[member="Alkor Centaris"]
Granted. Anyone can challenge me for that title, or simply opt to not follow me. Because, as characters and writers... That's on them.
Clan Dem'adas is a naval power. 90% of the Clans' population live entirely on starships, some on family owned merchant ships and some on clan owned warships. They operate as merchants, mercenaries, pirate hunters, exc. During the height of the Mandalorian Clans' power, Clan Dem'adas held roughly 1/3rd of all "military warships" the united clans could rally for war.
I had been meaning to update the Clan Dem'adas information via a factory submissions, but I've been busy.
The former Alor'e Council recognized Munin as Mand'alor without Olivia's input. She's never bowed the knee to him and has ignored him for the most part. Same with Ra that came before him.
But Munin abandoned Manda'yaim.
Now Munin has the gal to come back and try to claim Manda'yaim for himself and his followers.
Originally, Olivia just wanted to talk it out with Munin about how disappointed she is in him and how she expects better of him if he is to continue along his current path.
But then Verd pushed Olivia.
And, predictably, Olivia pushed back.
And now we have an Alor from a powerful and respected Clan making a formal challenge for the title of Mand'alor.
It's real, it's happening, and you need to relax about it OOC.
ALSO.
Those events in the other thread are entirely unrelated to this OOC thread. Continuing to discuss them is wildly off-topic for this thread.
If she wins and becomes Mand'alor, you get to decide how your characters react to that event. Follow her, follow Munin still, follow no one. Do your thing. Nobody is telling you you have to do anything.Alkor Centaris said:
I can be Mand'alor and STILL have nothing to do with you or your story. Also, I get to say whatever I want. Just as you get to say whatever you want. You didn't really read my above post, did you? It boiled down to "it doesn't matter how you view clans and houses, because that won't control how other people view clans and houses."Alkor Centaris said:
That is... Exactly how Mandalorians work. I challenge him. He must accept the challenge, on his honor. If I win, I become Mand'alor, leader of all Mandalorians.Alkor Centaris said:
Granted. Anyone can challenge me for that title, or simply opt to not follow me. Because, as characters and writers... That's on them.
Clan Dem'adas and House Larraq (I view houses as being small family units within larger clans) are two very different things, even though Larraq is a member house of Clan Dem'adas. House Larraq is a small family of farmers, Blacksmiths, and Vornskr trainers. They live on a farming community outside Keldabe and they refused to leave their home. Olivia, Mishka, and Rygel (Captain) Larraq were born there. Olivia married the Alor of Clan Dem'adas, bringing House Larraq into the larger clan.Alkor Centaris said:
Clan Dem'adas is a naval power. 90% of the Clans' population live entirely on starships, some on family owned merchant ships and some on clan owned warships. They operate as merchants, mercenaries, pirate hunters, exc. During the height of the Mandalorian Clans' power, Clan Dem'adas held roughly 1/3rd of all "military warships" the united clans could rally for war.
I had been meaning to update the Clan Dem'adas information via a factory submissions, but I've been busy.
"Self proclaimed"Alkor Centaris said:
The former Alor'e Council recognized Munin as Mand'alor without Olivia's input. She's never bowed the knee to him and has ignored him for the most part. Same with Ra that came before him.
But Munin abandoned Manda'yaim.
Now Munin has the gal to come back and try to claim Manda'yaim for himself and his followers.
Originally, Olivia just wanted to talk it out with Munin about how disappointed she is in him and how she expects better of him if he is to continue along his current path.
But then Verd pushed Olivia.
And, predictably, Olivia pushed back.
And now we have an Alor from a powerful and respected Clan making a formal challenge for the title of Mand'alor.
It's real, it's happening, and you need to relax about it OOC.
ALSO.
Those events in the other thread are entirely unrelated to this OOC thread. Continuing to discuss them is wildly off-topic for this thread.
Alkor Centaris
Son of Liberty
I'm calm, however unappreciative of your tone I might be.
Also, certainly, you can "say" whatever you want. Semantics.
My point is, as you've just pointed out, there is no real point in challenging Vilaz. Other than being pissed off at Isley.
Why not go the original route and talk to Vilaz?
Also, certainly, you can "say" whatever you want. Semantics.
My point is, as you've just pointed out, there is no real point in challenging Vilaz. Other than being pissed off at Isley.
Why not go the original route and talk to Vilaz?
Olivia Dem'adas
Chief of Clan Dem'adas
[member="Alkor Centaris"]
You're still off-topic. This thread is not for discussing that particular thread.
You're still off-topic. This thread is not for discussing that particular thread.
Keira Priest
The Iron
Here's an idea: let's let IC handle IC and end it there. The constant bickering over what constitutes a "real Mandalorian" grows tiresome.
THE UNDEFEATED
[member="Keira Ticon"]
Especially when said bickering should be IC bickering.
What OOC should be is
Guy 1: "hey breh"
Guy 2: "sup breh"
Guy 1: "Our guys have opposing ideologies"
Guy 2: "Makes for good story"
Guy 1: "Sweet"
Guy 2: "yeh"
THE END
Especially when said bickering should be IC bickering.
What OOC should be is
Guy 1: "hey breh"
Guy 2: "sup breh"
Guy 1: "Our guys have opposing ideologies"
Guy 2: "Makes for good story"
Guy 1: "Sweet"
Guy 2: "yeh"
THE END
Kad Tor
Hammer of Enceri
[member="Olivia Dem'adas"]
I'll state here what I said in PM. You had no ic reason to challenge. You just did it. You had an ic reason to challenge Isley, but no one else.
If you want it to be ic then that's your course.
And this thread is not about discussing that particular thread. It's about discussing mando government. So quit hijacking it for your agenda and stay in topic. This is an ooc discussion.
I'll state here what I said in PM. You had no ic reason to challenge. You just did it. You had an ic reason to challenge Isley, but no one else.
If you want it to be ic then that's your course.
And this thread is not about discussing that particular thread. It's about discussing mando government. So quit hijacking it for your agenda and stay in topic. This is an ooc discussion.
Atin Vendet
Journeyman Protector
^Alleria Mereel said:
Atin Vendet
Journeyman Protector
Keira Ticon said:
Ive yet to see anybody OOCly here state: "This is what it means to be a Mandalorian."
They've said some things in character. That's about it- that I've seen.
The Hound of Keldabe
[member="Jekai Almec"]
The only way i can answer your question on what being mandalorian means, is to tell you what it means to me. Writing a mandalorian is about getting involved in the close family and clan knitted culture of the people. Exploring that and writing it. Forming long lasting relations with fellow vode and the love of writing the language and expanding upon the idealogy. For me, its writing the warrior... kicking ass and taking names and above all it is about having *** FUN****. There is plenty of information on the net to describe what a mandalorian is, but it really is up to you on what you believe and what you want to rp. In saying that, since this site is very much a group effort, it helps to work in collaboration with fellow mandalorian writers.
The only way i can answer your question on what being mandalorian means, is to tell you what it means to me. Writing a mandalorian is about getting involved in the close family and clan knitted culture of the people. Exploring that and writing it. Forming long lasting relations with fellow vode and the love of writing the language and expanding upon the idealogy. For me, its writing the warrior... kicking ass and taking names and above all it is about having *** FUN****. There is plenty of information on the net to describe what a mandalorian is, but it really is up to you on what you believe and what you want to rp. In saying that, since this site is very much a group effort, it helps to work in collaboration with fellow mandalorian writers.
The Hound of Keldabe
On note of the drama: Over decade and a half of writing a mandalorian, i have figured out that out of all the groups and clans or factions on any star wars site. What makes the mandalorians the way they are OOC and IC is that pure fact that it attracts the most Passionate and for good or bad, the strong headed writers.
The Wolf
If you're gonna introduce some new way to be lead by to the Mandalorians, you're gonna have a bad time
Basically the Mandalorians here operate on the
1v1 rust noscopes policy for leadership
Basically the Mandalorians here operate on the
1v1 rust noscopes policy for leadership