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Darjetii Kyramud
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Master of the seven forms?
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Ashin Varanin
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[member="Hakora Feanor"]
There's a bit more to it than that - and I'd strongly recommend reading Shatterpoint if it interests you. For one thing, if Vaapad gets control of you, if you give in to it, it gets very Dark very fast. For another, Vaapad requires Juyo. I could go on for ages, but your best bet is to just find the book somewhere, even just in PDF.
There's a bit more to it than that - and I'd strongly recommend reading Shatterpoint if it interests you. For one thing, if Vaapad gets control of you, if you give in to it, it gets very Dark very fast. For another, Vaapad requires Juyo. I could go on for ages, but your best bet is to just find the book somewhere, even just in PDF.
Darth Vaildra
A Man of Many Sins
[member="Ashin Varanin"]
I haven't read it, but I do know a lot about it. While you are right that it is more complicated and Vaapad needs Juyo, it also needs the user to know the other styles at least decently. What I was saying was like Windu and the other guy who created it discussed. The other guy said the Dark Sode completed Vaapad, but then lost to Wondu who didn't use the dark side. He said Vaapad with dark side weakened it and made it more of an advanced Juyo. I am at work so I can't look it up, but I believe it is on the Wiki.
I haven't read it, but I do know a lot about it. While you are right that it is more complicated and Vaapad needs Juyo, it also needs the user to know the other styles at least decently. What I was saying was like Windu and the other guy who created it discussed. The other guy said the Dark Sode completed Vaapad, but then lost to Wondu who didn't use the dark side. He said Vaapad with dark side weakened it and made it more of an advanced Juyo. I am at work so I can't look it up, but I believe it is on the Wiki.
Ashin Varanin
Professional Enabler
[member="Hakora Feanor"]
Well, the other part to that exchange, and most of the dialogue about sabre combat in that book, is that it's all coming from conflicting and evolving perspectives, right? The more speculative elements of the dialogue are mainly just people, experienced people, trying to figure out The Way Things Are, and getting it wrong as often as not. It's a pretty cool approach.
Well, the other part to that exchange, and most of the dialogue about sabre combat in that book, is that it's all coming from conflicting and evolving perspectives, right? The more speculative elements of the dialogue are mainly just people, experienced people, trying to figure out The Way Things Are, and getting it wrong as often as not. It's a pretty cool approach.
Darron Wraith
Honor | Duty | Courage
[member="Hakora Feanor"] Here's how I look at it. This is Darron by the way.
Juyo is the strike patterns, movements, and just functional knowledge.
Vaapad is a means of channeling your own aggression to match fire with fire with your opponents. So Juyo is what the body does, and is easy to learn. Vaapad is where you master the mental/spiritual part as well as master yourself.
Juyo is the strike patterns, movements, and just functional knowledge.
Vaapad is a means of channeling your own aggression to match fire with fire with your opponents. So Juyo is what the body does, and is easy to learn. Vaapad is where you master the mental/spiritual part as well as master yourself.
Darth Ferus
Wanderer
[member="The Upright Man"]
[member="Ashin Varanin"]
Niman, when fully mastered and dedicated to (on the blade side) more or less masters the forms before it.
Exar Khun, the strongest duelist of his time, was considered a master of the form. And was Sith.
/me stays out of the popularity contest though. No opinion on who's best.
[member="Ashin Varanin"]
Niman, when fully mastered and dedicated to (on the blade side) more or less masters the forms before it.
Exar Khun, the strongest duelist of his time, was considered a master of the form. And was Sith.
/me stays out of the popularity contest though. No opinion on who's best.
Darth Vaildra
A Man of Many Sins
[member="Death's Hand"] [member="Ashin Varanin"]
I am loving the insight I am getting from this dialogue. I see what both of you are saying, but it is still lost on me how one could be a master of Juyo and Vaapad. Juyo is pure body and built to turn hate into a weapon of power. Vaapad takes that and adds the mind channeling it all into speed. So one is power an the other speed, but if Vaapad gave into the hate and dark side wouldn't it just become Juyo because Vaapad is about keeping the mind centered? I am thinking if I read this book it would make sense.
I am loving the insight I am getting from this dialogue. I see what both of you are saying, but it is still lost on me how one could be a master of Juyo and Vaapad. Juyo is pure body and built to turn hate into a weapon of power. Vaapad takes that and adds the mind channeling it all into speed. So one is power an the other speed, but if Vaapad gave into the hate and dark side wouldn't it just become Juyo because Vaapad is about keeping the mind centered? I am thinking if I read this book it would make sense.
Ashin Varanin
Professional Enabler
[member="Hakora Feanor"]
Simplest terms: Juyo's a martial art, no more, no less. Vaapad is a state of mind and a technical refinement/derivative of Juyo.
Simplest terms: Juyo's a martial art, no more, no less. Vaapad is a state of mind and a technical refinement/derivative of Juyo.
Sabena Shai
Character
Pfta, yall know nothing. I've turned vaapad into a verb, where literally that's all I have to post to win a duel.
"Sabena vaapad Darron Wraith in the face. Game, set, match!"
"Sabena vaapad Darron Wraith in the face. Game, set, match!"
Though in all seriousness, I don't give much attention to Lightsaber Forms. I enjoy more nuanced approaches to lightsaber combat.
Darth Vaildra
A Man of Many Sins
[member="Sabena Shai"]
*h
Hakora laughs at Sabna's attempt to Vaapad with a fish.* without details I can make you do whatever I want.
*h
Hakora laughs at Sabna's attempt to Vaapad with a fish.* without details I can make you do whatever I want.
Sabena Shai
Character
All I needed was a fish!Hakora Feanor said:
Hah!
Darron's such a scrub.
The Spacer
I always wanted to learn Juyo. It is/was one of the few things I want/wanted for my Cronos character.
Fabula Caromed
Belle of the Brawl
No.Darth Ferus said:
Niman, when mastered (which takes ten years of constant practice as stated in canon), provides you with a versatile tool that has elements of Shii-Cho, Soresu, Ataru, and Shien. It explicitly does not include Makashi elements, and was created before Djem So was a thing. So at most you could claim to have access to four forms.
Furthermore, Niman's bladework relies heavily on improvisation to make up for the form's weaknesses (which are its extreme complexity at higher levels and the dedication of training needed to master it), meaning that a given Niman duelist's abilities will be sloppier than a dedicated specialist of other forms. So at most, I'd say "an experienced master of Niman more or less has a firm understanding of four of the forms before it."
Niman is not the unbeatable "I know everything" form. It's a form that's easy to pick up on and apply to almost any situation, and it's a form which has an answer to more problems than most other forms. It is not a form comprised of the entirety of everything short of Vapaad.
Darth Ferus
Wanderer
[member="Fabula Caromed"]
Whoops, forgot about the Makashi.
But seeing as though both Ataru and Djem So were made side by side, how could Niman not have it?
Whoops, forgot about the Makashi.
But seeing as though both Ataru and Djem So were made side by side, how could Niman not have it?
Fabula Caromed
Belle of the Brawl
Djem So is the "contemporary" version of Shien. Shien was the original form, derived from Soresu. Ataru and Shien were created during a similar era. There is a difference.
Break
System Reboot
Ok so I just read about this. It is a myth that non-force users can't use a lightsaber. But it is impossible for us to build them. So technically if you were to hand a droid a lightsaber and let it download a style or just let it watch you fight. It could eventually be better than a living creature.
But I would nominate [member="Darth Vornskr"] to be the best at everything. ..because I love him.
But I would nominate [member="Darth Vornskr"] to be the best at everything. ..because I love him.
Darth Ferus
Wanderer
See, you learn new things all the time.
Honestly I thought Djem So came first. Mind if I pm you about the forms? I thought I understood em from readin the wiki, but I missed some things.
[member="Fabula Caromed"]
Honestly I thought Djem So came first. Mind if I pm you about the forms? I thought I understood em from readin the wiki, but I missed some things.
[member="Fabula Caromed"]
Break
System Reboot
[member="Hakora Feanor"] while that is funny to do, handwavium will always take priority of Snarkanium
Fabula Caromed
Belle of the Brawl
Knock your lights out. Wish I had finished my guide to lightsaber forms during my tenure with the Jedi. Could have just linked to that.
[member="Break"], we've had a thread discussing droid lightsaber forms before. In summary, Soresu, Juyo, and Niman are legitimately impossible for droids to use, and Ataru would take extremely specialized equipment. Shii-Cho, Makashi, and Djem So are your best bets.
[member="Break"], we've had a thread discussing droid lightsaber forms before. In summary, Soresu, Juyo, and Niman are legitimately impossible for droids to use, and Ataru would take extremely specialized equipment. Shii-Cho, Makashi, and Djem So are your best bets.
Break
System Reboot
While I see the others being hard to uses soresu like I just posted seems like IT COULD and I stress the word COULD, work. But as for the others you mentioned I think you are correct.