My short controversial review of Star Wars VII

[Selena Halcyon]

Even your own description is not analogous to Kylo. Parentage is a stupid basis for comparison because it is so basic. We could get more specific with family if you want. He has no twin nor a younger brother. He also was not trained specifically by Luke, but instead by Luke's wife Mara.

Jacen doesn't take control over an imperial remnant. He takes over the Republic. He literally is basically the second emperor.

Kylo never did anything with that Star Destroyer which seems to be under the control of Hux, who is at least on the same level of Kylo if not higher. Furthermore we have nothing to say that it is unique or customized.

The reason for his family issues are drastically different and the nature of them.

You also ignore the core reason for Jacen's fall with was a twisted sense of altruism.

 

[Darth Carnifex]

who was seduced to the Dark Side by another non-Sith Darksider

Except that Lumiya was a self-proclaimed Dark Lady of the Sith and considered herself to be the successor to Vader and Palpatine.

who ended up taking a position of power within an Imperial Remnant faction formed after their defeat at the hands of the Rebellion

I don't remember Jacen ever being a part of the Imperial Remnant, but I know for a fact that he took power within the Galactic Alliance and formed the Galactic Alliance Guard (GAG) to harshly combat terrorism in the wake of the secessionist movement at Corellia, and they eventually just became his personal enforcers and their role soon expanded to include the transfer of millions of prisoners into concentration camps; the establishment of police-state control over civilian systems; co-opting direct control of the military; and wresting executive power from the Senate via constitutional amendments. He basically became an Emperor in all but name within the Galactic Alliance until he was defeated and slain by his sister, Jaina Solo.

So while there are some similarities between Jacen Solo and Kylo Ren, they're only minimal.

 

[Selena Halcyon]

OH! And btw! Jacen did not even really believe in the lightside or the darkside so he would NEVER in a million years feel conflicted about being pulled back to the light.

 

[Ricochet]

Less nostalgia for me and more the new characters are FAR more interesting. And keep me excited.

 

[Selena Halcyon]

This guy, right here ^, nails another point.

 

[Jsc]

...You cannot ask me to embrace the new when the new looks JUST like the old but with new paint and wheels.

Two cars who look similar, ain't the same woman. And I don't begin to wonder about liking my new 2015 based on my feelings for my old 1987 either. Different machines are different machines. Though I can see how you'd get there. So I guess I'll just finish with this to keep us on the same page,

Cheers to new cars! Woot woot. Drive em' like you stole em'.

 

[Captain Jordan]

You are way in the minority when it comes to that opinion.




Oh please do tell me what this is missing.

Grow up. Not everyone will agree with you, and no, you're not going to make them. I'm glad you think I'm in the minority, but you know what they say about opinions (they're like butts, hint hint).

Want to know a bit more about why the movie didn't muster? Feel free to read some critical reviews. I found some of these on par. If I tell you, you'll just sit there telling me why I'm wrong, so best to leave it up to people who have no skin in the game.

 

[Ellie Mors]

My biggest issue is that Kylo Ren is basically Jacen Solo, but renamed.

The only similarity is that he is Han and Leia Solo's son and is a dark sider.

What else is there similar between the two? He wasn't the leader of the Galactic Alliance (which doesn't exist), he isn't a Sith, he isn't trying to save the galaxy from "doom", and is trying to hunt down Luke Skywalker with an obsessive craze for Darth Vader.

And he's completely emotionally unstable.

Similarities:

• Was brought to the dark side
• Is a Solo
• ???

Differences:

• Not a Sith, much less a Sith Lord, or even a Jedi master of any kind.
• Is a peon of a dark jedi order
• Is a member of an Imperial group, see: First Order (He was the leader of the Galactic Alliance in Legends Canon, not the Imperial Remnant, which his sister married the leader of.)
• Is completely bonkers emotionally, see his fits of rage and complete lack of thinking before acting.
• Killed his father
• Has no daughter, doesn't want to save the galaxy from anything, completely lacks ideals.
• Absolute amateur saber duelist.
• Is a one-trick-pony with the force, so far.