Nerfing the Force through celibacy

[Jsc]

"If something can go wrong, it probably will."

I have a feeling this is what the first Jedi Masters were thinking when the implemented celibacy into the Jedi Order. Avoid the powerful dynasties of the past that had created so many fledgling empires. Stop the sinners before they can even be born. Nerf the Force by stemming the tide of Sensitives into our galaxy. Because, clearly, if a man can use the Force and remains unbridled, he will use it only for personal gain. And later, probably cause the greatest destructions this galaxy has ever seen.

If there is one word I can use to describe the Force in this situation, it would be fear. Fear of all that power. Fear of what happens when a man gives into his pride and takes for himself Godhood on his own terms. Sometimes I bet the galaxy would rather see even the most benevolent of Jedi in shackles then let the dangers they pose go unchecked. Sometimes I wonder that if given the chance, if the people of the galaxy would favor killing every Force Adept completely. And if the Jedi Order would understand their concern completely and praise them for it.

If something can go wrong, it probably will. If a man can turn to the darkside and enslave the galaxy, he probably will. It's just human nature. Better to kill that man then find out. Or maybe? ...Better that he never have been born at all.

Celibacy among the Jedi Order is a terrible unnatural rule. Possessed both by a glamorous dreadful fear and yet tempered by a strange and transient reason. Nerf the Dynasties, nerf the prodigal sons; and evade the inevitable destruction that will come with and through their fall.

...

Funny thing is. The Force don't really care about Jedi rules. Powerful Force sensitives will be born with, or without, the Jedi's permission. And even if the Jedi Order scours the entire galaxy and scoops up all the children to bring back to their temples for training. The Force will find a way to evade them. It might even manifest a child on it's own.

Kinda makes you wonder why the good guys would ever even consider celibacy as a good idea? If you asked me, it just lead to them becoming frustrated perverts who couldn't see past the tips of their noses. I also wonder if Anakin Skywalker would have ever fallen at all.

Maybe those Dragonage Video Games had it right after all. Lock the tempted mages up in their tall towers and keep guard over them in the day and the night. Can't risk the Force going crazy now. Can't have our Tervinter Overlords getting free. Because surely we must have our control.

"If something can go wrong, it probably will. So it's best that those babies never even be born at all." - A Jedi Council somewhere

...

Celibacy among Force Sensitives is a joke and I think it's high time the community had a chat about as to why. Because if I see another Jedi character who thinks that celibacy is a great idea, I'm going to scream. Come on guys. Can't we all admit that George was just a little short-sighted? Is that really so much to ask.

 

[Saera Willamina Savan]

I believe they were celibate not for practical reasons but for religious ones. Celibacy counters temptation and lust, which the Dark Side may easily manifest through. By eliminating temptation and lust altogether, it reduces the chance of a fall. At least, that's their perspective on it. It is, indeed, unnatural in my opinion. Telling a man he can't do something only makes him want to do it more. You don't restrict freedoms, you make them rewards.

 

[Darth Ferus]

*Points out the new Jedi Order lead by Luke Skywalker had many relationships of the intimate kind. Luke himself had a wife and a child. Wonders why the jedi on Chaos continue to think in the old Jedi order fashion while slinking back to his Sith side*

 

[Jsc]

*Points out the new Jedi Order lead by Luke Skywalker had many relationships of the intimate kind. Luke himself had a wife and a child. Wonders why the jedi on Chaos continue to think in the old Jedi order fashion while slinking back to his Sith side*

Luke Skywalker force choked two Gamorreans in the desert palace, pulled out a blaster to shoot Jabba in the head, and exploded that sand skiff to pieces with gangsters still on board.. But you don't hear people calling him a Sith. Not sure if Luke Skywalker is saint or a sinner. But sometimes I really wonder about the Jedi. I really do.

 

[Darth Voracitos]

Chaos is Chaotic, that's is the answer. Once you have accepted that, you have accepted the universe, and you're probably high as a result of seeing the full majesty of the universe, thus everything you will have seen will become skewed in hallucination so when you go unconscious and wake up later you won't even know what was the universe and what wasn't, while pondering who the hell poisoned your food to go through such an experience.

Then the next night you shall ponder about celibacy, and then find the answer to its great dilemma, and experience it all over again. Day after day, night after night.

Because you're a groundhog. Like a groundhog do.

 

[Darth Ferus]

They didn't call him Sith. They called him Grandmaster of the new Jedi Order. Before, during, and after he had a wife and kid. Leia was also a Jedi. Married to Han. Had four children. Still a Jedi.

[member="Sam Jhovna"]

 

[Malok]

Traditionalist Jedi are the definition of monks. They choose to repress themselves from anything that could remotely lead to the Dark Side. Celibacy has the added benefit of preventing powerful Force dynasties as well, which is just another problem that the Jedi had to deal with once and sought to never again have to deal with. Basically, they're a one shot order. If something goes wrong, they take steps to ensure that it never happens again...or at least, they make one helluva effort.

 

[Jsc]

Because you're a groundhog. Like a groundhog do.

This explains everything. Whoa! Suddenly that Squirrel Empress is starting to make a lot more sense now. Dig it.

 

[Jsc]

They didn't call him Sith. They called him Grandmaster of the new Jedi Order. Before, during, and after he had a wife and kid. Leia was also a Jedi. Married to Han. Had four children. Still a Jedi.

Self appointed Grandmaster to a school of peeps he gathered himself. But yeah. I think your right. I suppose he is a good example of learning from your mistakes. I like it.

 

[Darth Ferus]

[member="Sam Jhovna"]

Self appointed with both Yoda and Obi's ghosts mentoring him. Don't forget that part. If he wasn't really a Jedi, I'm sure they would of stopped him no issue.

 

[Jsc]

[member="Darth Ferus"]

Oh yeah. That's true. Yoda approved of the whole child snatching, avoid attachment thing. I suppose he would have been disapproving if Luke strayed too far from the formula. Good points.

 

[HK-36]

OOCly, I really don't know where I stand with this, sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't, it really depends on which case you are looking at. Luke made it in the end, Anakin almost killed off the whole of the Jedi, Obi-Wan faced such temptations as well multiple times but he made it through to become one of the greatest Knights in Galaxy.

But ICly, during my previous community set in the times of Old Republic HK was against celibacy, he believed that every sentient should be able to make a choice, and if the Jedi wanted to pick a mate, they should be able to. He went as far as to help a Jedi he informally adopted as his son wed another Jedi in secrecy, going against the Council at the time, even helping the two escape when the Council found out and they were exiled, later on delivering their daughter when she was born.
And then the Exiled Jedi pulled an Anakin and killed a whole bunch of Jedi, including younglings. HK took on himself, as he trained him since he was a youngling, to defeat the Jedi, they dueled on Mustafar, HK decapitated him and took his mask, he gave him a short burial by burning his body in Mustafar's lava rivers and has been grieving the memory ever since.

And then actual Anakin happened.

And now HK is strongly pro-celibacy, because now he believes that with the power the Jedi have, comes responsibility, and cost. He understands the powers of platonic love and companionship, to him a Jedi should love many, but as brothers and sisters. However, more intimate relationships, in his IC belief, invite jealousy, lust, fear, and insecurity, all of those can very easily lead to falling into Dark Side, and have devastating consequences as he witnessed over history. Jedi marrying and having intimate relationships do not certainly lead towards the Fall into Dark Side, but they are a risk, a risk Jedi should not take.
Jedi have great power, and they are responsible for it, and for each other. Each fall, to HK, is not a failure of single Jedi but of the whole Order, because each Jedi's history is shaped through Order's code, through the Masters that taught the Jedi when they were Padawans, teaching them mysteries of the Force, how to properly handle a lightsaber, and how to interpret and follow the teachings and codes of the Jedi, and it is shaped by every other Jedi they have met and spoke with, the way they were treated by them, it's all variables that determine the Jedi's path.

So yeah, OOCly I'm staying out of it, ICly HK was against celibacy, that bit him in the ass, now he's for it.

 

[Phylis Alince]

Hmmph. You people with your flashy arguments and quick denouncements.

I am a Jedi Master and I adhere to the old ways, and yes, I am celibate. That however is a personal choice on my part. Not for any of the reasons the Padawan has outlined. No. It’s not to deny dynasties, it’s not to try and herd everyone together into a single asylum (though it sometimes feels that way for other reasons).

It’s for an entirely practical reason; being a Jedi is a lifelong commitment. I know we seem to have a revolving door sometimes, but being a Jedi is not something you can just casually take on and drop…not if you want to be good at it.

Learning to use the Force, a lightsabre, doing your job as a Jedi, that requires years of study and focus. If you take on a partner and have children it weakens your ability to do your job because of the distractions on your time.

Now I know we seem to have an surfeit of Jedi Masters by age 17, but they are exceptions rather than a rule. To be a Jedi means working for a higher cause and to devote your time and energy to others, not yourself.

Call it what you wish, label me what you wish, but do not deny my sincerity because I have given up something by choice.

 

[Beowoof]

I think in the end, it comes down to the extreme intimate attachment one has to someone they love romantically. Anakin did not choose to turn on the Jedi because he thought being Sith was cool and rebellious. He killed everyone because he would rather save that one person at the galaxy's expense.

He was frustrated and paranoid after his mother died. Which was also why the Jedi didn't want kids beginning their training at an older age.

When you marry someone, they become the most important thing in the world to you. The safety of all sentient beings was what the Jedi were supposed to regard as vital, and an intimate relationship can throw all noble causes out the window, save protecting that one person you love most of all.

 

[Jsc]

Somebody just called family and kids, distractions. Sam Jhovna is now sad.

(Sam Jhovna will now talk about herself in the 3rd person. Sam Jhovna likes.)

 

[Darth Voracitos]

[member="Sam Jhovna"] They are distractions, they are distractions from all other things we like delude ourselves are important to us. Family is the King of Distraction, the Ultimate Distraction.... but you must understand that everything is a distraction from something, and it just so happens that Family is one of those distractions that takes priority over anything else you could possibly think of...

Unless your a prick, in which case you don't deserve to have a family to continue your dynasty of bastardom.

 

[Jsc]

[member="Darth Voracitos"] That was good, if a completely round about way of saying what I think you're saying. But why do I feel like you are high as a string kite right now as I read it?

(stop. don't answer that. It would displease the groundhogs.)

 

[Darth Voracitos]

It would displease the groundhogs.

Praise to the groundhogs...

 

[Jsc]

Praise be to the groundhogs. May they live forever under the golden sun.

*bows in the direction of the nearest Wal-Mart 3 times*

 

[Jonathon Patches]

In the end, does it matter? Bunch of witches and wizards with glowing sticks that wield too much power, have too much responsibility, and rarely live up to their ideals. Bunch of hippie, do-gooder hypocrites, whose morals and ethics change on a whim.

Exhibit A: Girl Jedi: "I know that Sith murdered a bunch of innocent civilians a month ago... but look at those curly locks of hair and those deep, piercing eyes... MMMMMMMMMMMMMM girl, gotta break me off a piece of that!"

Celibacy is a choice as a Jedi, just like it is in everything else. Those that choose to live by that code love the force, the Jedi code, and the responsibilities that come with it; in essence, their relationships are with the power and responsibility they wield. For others, it's an extra layer of insulation from falling to the dark side. What does the dark side feed off of? Emotions... what do relationships usually stir? Emotions... It's like playing with fire. Some can manage it, others cannot. Doesn't mean one choice is more right than the other (though hindsight is always 20/20).

There were always be differing views, those that believe they can still find "balance" while getting their freak on, and a longer list of Sith that just have orgies all the time (or so popular opinion would have us believe).

At the end of the day, all force users are batshit crazy anyways, and I steer as far and clear from them as possible... though I haven't been very successful at this tactic in recent years...