New Rule - Major Faction Mergers

[Darth Carnifex]

I never liked the color orange.

Remove kebab pls

[member="Strider Garon"]

 

[Tefka]

To those of you asking for clauses or exceptions to the rule, I ask you to step back and reconsider exactly how "fair" the SWRP Staff Team would appear if we pursued this.

One rule for all or none. and in the darkness bind them

 

[Seraphina Shel'tah]

Yes, I agree. That red blob thingy is taking up a lot of space on the map. It must be removed!

It's not really a blob. It's more like a biologically confused squid. It has no idea what it's doing, trying to do, or why. It just does. I look forward to when making the map is as simple as opening up Photoshop, clicking the layer mask button, and using the paint bucket tool to just drop a 40% opacity hue over the entire thing. Does that mean the game's over?

 

[The Red of Sinner]

[member="Tefka"]

I wanted to know:

How do two Major factions go about friendly planet exchanges? I mean...it's a very common thing or groups to give territory without any real violence. I feel like two Major Factions should be able to have peaceful exchanges without the Prefixs Invasion, or Dominion being used.

 

[thegreatbeyonder]

How do two Major factions go about friendly planet exchanges? I mean...it's a very common thing or groups to give territory without any real violence. I feel like two Major Factions should be able to have peaceful exchanges without the Prefixs Invasion, or Dominion being used.

Why would you want a new rule-set dedicated to exchanging planets, which really doesn't happen all that often? Just use Invasions for this purpose, I'm sure no one would care as long as the story made sense and you weren't being given every planet one-by-one for no apparent reason (or vice versa).

 

[Ben Watts]

Tefka stated in like the second post that you could do diplomatic invasion type deals which makes absolute sense IMO. You would need to RP out gaining the planet and maybe even integrating yourself to their planet, or in One Sith terms, subjugating them. I don't think it needs a rule just... like... don't abuse it. [member="Romeo Sin"]

 

[The Red of Sinner]

[member="Ben Watts"]

I wasn't sure if the two were fully related. I didn't mean a rule per say, just wanted to make sure I understood things and what not.

Btw you'd be surprised how often planets were exchanged in Star Wars.

Or at least a planet was given peacefully.

Anyways. I understand now. Never knew this was an option. Swwwweeeet.

 

[Tefka]

[member="Ben Watts"]


Btw you'd be surprised how often planets were exchanged in Star Wars.

Or at least a planet was given peacefully.

Surprise me, then. How often were planets exchanged in Star Wars?

Use examples, please.

 

[Sawa Ike]

[member="Tefka"]

the pantorans gave the world to the talls.... and that is the only one that comes to mind off the top of my had..... Jennifer Hale was awesome

 

[Tefka]

[member="Sawa Ike"]

When it became an apparent that Orto Plutonia had a native population, Cho at first refused to believe it, and then later declared war to wipe out the Talz and keep the planet under Pantoran control.

Before the Pantoran Assembly was able to intervene, Cho led a charge of clone troopers against the Talz, which went poorly and the Talz nearly overwhelmed Cho's forces, fatally wounding Cho in the process. Cho's violent gambit failed, and when he told reinforcements under Senator Chuchi to continue the war, he died in disbelief that the Assembly called his decision out of order. Senator Chuchi, backed by the Pantoran Assembly, ceded ownership of Orto Plutonia to the Talz, allowing them sovereignty over the planet. She withdrew the Republic and Pantoran presence from the world, leaving the Talz free to live their quiet life in their ice canyon villages.

1. The Pantorans' leader literally declared war (Invasion).

2. The Pantorans never owned the planet to begin with, they were trying to colonize (Dominion).

3. The Talz were a native population and already owned the planet (Major Faction).

4. It might say the Pantorans "ceded ownership" but really they were just withdrawing efforts to colonize.

 

[Zambrano the Starweird]

Didn't Lando win Bespin over a Sabacc game or something?

Also, would it be acceptable, if the two "merging" factions had like, a super-dominion, where they make a thread to claim a portion of the old faction through a few hundred posts (which is highly unlikely, if we look at Flagship threads )?

 

[Corey's OOC]

Well, now I know my dominion plan for Bespin.

[member="Zambrano the Hutt"]

 

[Jsc]

As much as I myself love finding loopholes, exceptions, cheats, gray area, and exploits in the vernacular of the Top Rules? Sometimes I really think some of you guys just post comments here not to voice educated perspectives pertaining to the topic. But simply to be smartasses.

And that's totally my gig! Stop taking ma' thunder! Lulz.

Well? Unless ya'll want to start a Major Faction with me? We could call it the "Liberal Agenda for Fair Rules pertaining to What If Scenarios with a statistical likelihood of actual play that amounts to less than 1% of our actual plots or threads but at least 100% of what we are thinking about right now... Faction."

To note. I'm going to be pushing for this idea for the next 48 hours. After that I'll get bored and ya'll are probably on your own.

 

[Darth Kentarch]

Sometimes I really think some of you guys just post comments here not to voice educated perspectives pertaining to the topic. But simply to be smartasses.

Uh well Duh, what else would be the point?

 

[Jsc]

Uh well Duh, what else would be the point?

Exactly.

 

[Tefka]

Didn't Lando win Bespin over a Sabacc game or something?

No, Lando (Character) won the right to be Baron Administrator of Cloud City (Location) in a Sabacc tournament. The Empire (Major Faction), and the Galactic Republic (Major Faction) before it, owns Bespin (Planet).

The Confederacy (Major Faction) also briefly held Bespin during the Clone Wars.

Darth Vader (Faction Administrator) showing up and forcing Lando (Company Owner) to his bidding is an excellent representation of a Major Faction (Empire) throwing its weight around on a company (Tibanna Mining Company) that has taken stake in their Influence Cloud.

Source: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cloud_City(CTRL+F -> "sabacc")

Also, would it be acceptable, if the two "merging" factions had like, a super-dominion, where they make a thread to claim a portion of the old faction through a few hundred posts (which is highly unlikely, if we look at Flagship threads )?

No. This continues that methodology where a dying faction can choose what to do with its influence cloud, thus taking away any organic choice made by the community - or members who wish to start a new faction perhaps in that territory.

When a faction dies, its influence cloud should die with it.

 

[Rusty]

No, he (Character) won the right to be Baron Administrator of Cloud City (Location) in a Sabacc tournament.

The Empire (Major Faction), and the Galactic Republic (Major Faction) before it, owns Bespin (Planet).

The Confederacy (Major Faction) also briefly held Bespin during the Clone Wars.

Darth Vader (Faction Administrator) showing up and forcing Lando (Company Owner) to his bidding is an excellent representation of a Major Faction (Empire) throwing its weight around on a company (Tibanna Mining Company) that has taken stake in their Influence Cloud.

My brain hurts now.

The only time I can recall a planet being won in a sabacc game was in The Courtship of Princess Leia, and I think we can all agree that it was a terrible book that's best left forgotten.

On a side note, trying to figure out loopholes now seems a bit premature. I'm sure we can all sit down and come up with enough hypotheticals to keep us busy until the heat death of the universe, but all you're really doing is shooting yourself in the foot if you've got some shady ish in the works.

 

[Jeron Verity]

(...)

 

[Tefka]

The only time I can recall a planet being won in a sabacc game was in The Courtship of Princess Leia, and I think we can all agree that it was a terrible book that's best left forgotten.

Close, but no cigar.

1. Han does think he has the deed and is told it is the deed.

2. Leia points out the deed is not legal.

3. The planet, at the time, is actually owned and operated on by Zsinj's Empire, an Imperial Remnant.

4. After a conflict, the New Republic ousts Zsinj's Empire (and the Warlord Zsinj) from Dathomir.

5. Control of the planet is returned to the Singing Clan, a native faction.

During the game, one of Han's opponents runs out of liquid financial instruments and instead proffers real estate in the form of a deed to an entire habitable planet, Dathomir. Thinking he has found a gift which would prove his worthiness to Leia and compare favorably with the gifts of Isolder (providing a place to resettle the expatriates of Alderaan to boot), he immediately rushes to her side to present his winnings. When Leia examines his gift and points out playfully that he has been conned (since Dathomir is in the section of the galaxy controlled by Zsinj), Han is devastated.

Sources:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zsinj's_Empire
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Courtship_of_Princess_Leia
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dathomir

 

[Krux Mullarus]

The Empire certainly took Alderaan with a...

bang.