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POLL: Mando Force Use: Give Us Your Opinion!
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Alkor Centaris
Son of Liberty
As Yasha has said multiple times, ME does not represent all Mandos, and they are welcome to go wherever they want and do whatever they want, with whoever they want. The important thing is that we define who we are, and what we stand for.
There are plenty of opportunities for people to branch off and have their own ideas on the Force, or anything else. I'd personally love to see all this unnecessary crap about people wanting to step into the Empire and take over because they dislike us evaporate. Hell, I don't even care if that means there are three different people running around calling themselves Mand'alor. We should be allowed to write our story without someone else jumping in and changing the narrative.
So for me, I'm down for a non-Force Empire, honestly. It's a tool, sure, but it's hardly one we need to get by. I dislike the image that it sets. My vote remains 2 or 3, but I figured I'd toss some more insight into my point of view out.
There are plenty of opportunities for people to branch off and have their own ideas on the Force, or anything else. I'd personally love to see all this unnecessary crap about people wanting to step into the Empire and take over because they dislike us evaporate. Hell, I don't even care if that means there are three different people running around calling themselves Mand'alor. We should be allowed to write our story without someone else jumping in and changing the narrative.
So for me, I'm down for a non-Force Empire, honestly. It's a tool, sure, but it's hardly one we need to get by. I dislike the image that it sets. My vote remains 2 or 3, but I figured I'd toss some more insight into my point of view out.
Gray Raxis
Blind and Broken
My thoughts on this is that there really is a middle ground between allowing FUs into the faction while still pushing an NFU focus. I think it would require, as [member="Tom Taff"] said, a place for FUs to go for training. In this place we make it so everything is based around the Resol'nare and Mando culture. When people get trained, they are trained more like an NFU and to resort to NFU tactics first. The idea is to keep the force as a back up plan in case it is needed or to supplement what people already know.
I do this already with Gray a lot. Outside of his force sight and instinctive astrogation use that he has toggled on when not on Mandalore just to get around, he really doesn't rely on it much. He mostly resorts to tried and true NFU tactics. It is also for this reason that he doesn't care if he gets caught in a null field or not, since it doesn't really cripple him.... Well outside of the literal blindness he would have in it.
But my point is that we can do both by pushing a different approach to the force that is more in line with NFU style of play than with a FU style of play. This addresses some of the problems I think [member="Alkor Centaris"] has as well as the ones [member="Shia Kryze"] has as well.
I do this already with Gray a lot. Outside of his force sight and instinctive astrogation use that he has toggled on when not on Mandalore just to get around, he really doesn't rely on it much. He mostly resorts to tried and true NFU tactics. It is also for this reason that he doesn't care if he gets caught in a null field or not, since it doesn't really cripple him.... Well outside of the literal blindness he would have in it.
But my point is that we can do both by pushing a different approach to the force that is more in line with NFU style of play than with a FU style of play. This addresses some of the problems I think [member="Alkor Centaris"] has as well as the ones [member="Shia Kryze"] has as well.
Alkor Centaris
Son of Liberty
Honestly I'm fine with people seeking training on their own, but I wouldn't want it to be sanctioned by the Empire.
Mandalorian Mystic
[member="Alkor Centaris"] not to pick specifically on you... but picking specifically on your point - there's a difference between sanctioned by the faction and sanctioned by the Empire. I am also very, very keen to avoid Jedi / Sith Mandalorian's within this faction - not that I'm automagically against them, but I think they work best in _their_ space, rather than in the Mandalorian space. If people can seek training wherever they wish, then we run a serious risk of getting that.
[member="Gray Raxis"] and I differ a little (or perhaps even a lot) on where we'd like to see any form of 'sanction' go / exist - but I worry that without explicitly accommodating it and giving it a defined boundary, we open up the doors that many want to keep closed.
(And it might be better we do keep all of them closed)
(Total disclosure: I've heard all about the history of FUs in the Mandolorian faction(s), I'm taking in on board - I'm also perhaps doomed to try to repeat it due to my biases)
[member="Gray Raxis"] and I differ a little (or perhaps even a lot) on where we'd like to see any form of 'sanction' go / exist - but I worry that without explicitly accommodating it and giving it a defined boundary, we open up the doors that many want to keep closed.
(And it might be better we do keep all of them closed)
(Total disclosure: I've heard all about the history of FUs in the Mandolorian faction(s), I'm taking in on board - I'm also perhaps doomed to try to repeat it due to my biases)
Alkor Centaris
Son of Liberty
I'd be surprisingly alright if someone like, say, Gray or Shia took it on themselves to create a place for Mandalorians with the Force to learn it in a Mandalorian way.
I'd just also lean toward "this has nothing to do with us beyond that the people belong to us."
[member="Gray Raxis"] [member="Shia Kryze"]
I'd just also lean toward "this has nothing to do with us beyond that the people belong to us."
[member="Gray Raxis"] [member="Shia Kryze"]
Chekīta Kaie
I'm smiling, this should scare you
From an IC perspective the while using the force and such seems strange since Mandos often pride themselves in the ability to kill aforve user without needing to use it. If some Force using Mandos did want to make a order within the ME as a sub faction like group that makes sense. Though an over all Force sect endorsed by the government seems a little far fetched.
So a 2 + a little bit of 1 is what I'd vote for
So a 2 + a little bit of 1 is what I'd vote for
Keira Priest
The Iron
I second everything said here. I've been in a Mandalorian faction previously where the Mandalorian Knights were a thing, and what was described above is essentially what ended up happening. There's no story drive if people just get hyped about writing what is pretty accurately described as armored Jedi, and like others have said, there's no IC precedent really to go with the first option.Alkor Centaris said:
Besides, there's so much more to a Force-sensitive character than their space magic, and this way people have to acknowledge that.
To boldly alchemize what no one alchemized before
1 but without faction-specific Force-traditions.
[member="Alkor Centaris"] As far as I can tell, it's already the case that FU Mando PCs are more or less acting like Jedi/Sith in beskar'gam (then again there are Jedi/Sith in other factions also using ranged weapons, regardless of whether they are NFU weapons or Force-powers; I have seen both), with highly variable levels of Force-usage.
[member="Alkor Centaris"] As far as I can tell, it's already the case that FU Mando PCs are more or less acting like Jedi/Sith in beskar'gam (then again there are Jedi/Sith in other factions also using ranged weapons, regardless of whether they are NFU weapons or Force-powers; I have seen both), with highly variable levels of Force-usage.
Kista Bralor
Gunslinger
I’ve already voted but I never gave my opinion.
We was only given three different options and I see more people suggesting options that was not given to be voted on. That is good though. You what the member base talking and discussing, members drive a faction.
In any good relationship there is compromise. Maybe a good compromise would be all of it sort of gathered into one. Maybe it is not a Force Order but a Force User Registration Act. A documentation of known Force User and their promise to come to the people of Mabadlore’s aid when the time is needed, that and not to abuse their citizen status? Or something along those lines? Maybe the use of the Force can be lifted for those that are documented to use the Force on Mandalore during times that Mandalore needs their added protection?
The imagination is a wonderful tool.
Also Mandalorian Force Users are not going anywhere. People will still make more. They are cannon and been in the books and comics for years. I’m not saying trust them. I’m saying watch them.
We was only given three different options and I see more people suggesting options that was not given to be voted on. That is good though. You what the member base talking and discussing, members drive a faction.
In any good relationship there is compromise. Maybe a good compromise would be all of it sort of gathered into one. Maybe it is not a Force Order but a Force User Registration Act. A documentation of known Force User and their promise to come to the people of Mabadlore’s aid when the time is needed, that and not to abuse their citizen status? Or something along those lines? Maybe the use of the Force can be lifted for those that are documented to use the Force on Mandalore during times that Mandalore needs their added protection?
The imagination is a wonderful tool.
Also Mandalorian Force Users are not going anywhere. People will still make more. They are cannon and been in the books and comics for years. I’m not saying trust them. I’m saying watch them.
Ravenfire
King of Pumpkins
[member="Kista Bralor "]Please stop watching me......it's creepy
However I do agree with that idea. Especially since it will come under my little umbrella and who better to document force users than another force user.
However I do agree with that idea. Especially since it will come under my little umbrella and who better to document force users than another force user.
What makes this faction great compared to others is that we allow all mandos to join , and anyone that wants to contribute pretty much. This creates an environment of people that can build a faction into a sensible and fun vision to role play in. My take is, option two is the best, we are not a cult that follow force mumbo jumbo. Those who are FU's use the force as a weapon to better themselves for combat. As long as they are mando, what difference does it really matter? Just because we can go somewhere does not mean we should, especially if said members are contributing to the faction and IC story.
Prazutis
Prudii Kyr'am Alor/Mandalorian Elder
I say option 1 because the force is a tool, and A'den is trained to use the force, it could be handy. I'm also down for option 2, A'den refuses to use the force but others could use it
Cannibal Witch
1 Because Mando Runes speak for option 1
The Hound of Keldabe
2 or 3
No way do i want Mandalorians to have any sense of force theme in our faction. I am open to letting be what they are with restrictions lifted on Mandalore, but above all this faction is to be advertised and portrayed OOCly as NFU haven.
No way do i want Mandalorians to have any sense of force theme in our faction. I am open to letting be what they are with restrictions lifted on Mandalore, but above all this faction is to be advertised and portrayed OOCly as NFU haven.
Prazutis
Prudii Kyr'am Alor/Mandalorian Elder
[member="Strider Garon"] actually has a strong point.
Jaster Awaud
Elder of Clan Awaud
I think option 2 would be the best option. If a certain clan wants to set up a Force User Training Camp then that is within their ability to do so. Even setting up a gathering area to do all that mystical stuff, is better then state sponsored Mandalorian Knights.
IC there is still a lot of hate for Force Using Mandos since the Cataclysm and Ra's propaganda against their kind. I also do not believe a lot of FU Mandos would trust the government since a lot of their "Kind" were exterminated or given the cure. As such they would feel more loyal to the Clans that chose to side against Ra, Death Watch, and the Winning side of the Civil War. Clans like Awaud, Kryze, Australis, and Raxis as they are well known for protecting and having FU Clansmen.
OOC, I could have sworn there was a Civil War fought over this, but I could be wrong. Anyways, making FU a Laissez-Faire where this is dealt with on a Clan Level would be the best option. The Mand'alor administration can just enforce laws of where and how they can perform around the Empire.
Probably best Compromise.
IC there is still a lot of hate for Force Using Mandos since the Cataclysm and Ra's propaganda against their kind. I also do not believe a lot of FU Mandos would trust the government since a lot of their "Kind" were exterminated or given the cure. As such they would feel more loyal to the Clans that chose to side against Ra, Death Watch, and the Winning side of the Civil War. Clans like Awaud, Kryze, Australis, and Raxis as they are well known for protecting and having FU Clansmen.
OOC, I could have sworn there was a Civil War fought over this, but I could be wrong. Anyways, making FU a Laissez-Faire where this is dealt with on a Clan Level would be the best option. The Mand'alor administration can just enforce laws of where and how they can perform around the Empire.
Probably best Compromise.
