Suggestion Revised Ship Size Limits and Production

[Shuklaar Kyrdol]

I don't really do these, feedback, suggestion things, in fact I'm fairly confident this is my first one. In any event, enough of the preamble, on to what you came here for. There's been a lot of changes to factory off late, and by that I mean in the last few years in general rather than the new submission form thing. We've had the introduction of dreadnoughts, the SSD size limit removal, the removal of the requirement to balance submissions and last but not least but a revamp of the major faction SSD acquisition process. What has not changed, however, is the production values for ships of a smaller tonnage.

In times past, the largest battlecruiser that could be produced was half the size of the largest SSD produced. A unique battlecruiser of 5km length had a lot more weight to it. There was an equity of relative tonnage. In the old days, when ships were required to be balanced, the restrictions held a lot more weight than they do now. A 5 kilometer battlecruiser should be a cool and special thing to have, but sadly it just isn't. So that leaves my proposed solution, revision the whole size limit and production chart as follows for minors and companies:

Unique at 7, SU at 5, limited at 4, minor at 3 and mass at 2.

This doesn't take away from major factions, who already have access to larger fleets, larger armies, up to three SSDs without size restriction, dreadnoughts and higher production of smaller starships. Rather, this gives minor factions and companies the ability to have more of a tonnage parity. Given the removal of the balancing requirements this is especially more relevant and easier to stomach, or in the very least that is one of the points that I am trying to make. That's why I believe the rest of the rules need to be updated to keep pace with the rules changes made that largely affect major factions, but have a knock-on effect for everyone else on the board as well.

 

[Darth Empyrean]

I'm personally against minor factions and corporations throwing large military weight around. A 5km battlecruiser is cool, sure, but nothing in the factory has much weight since we removed RM's so long ago. We already get around the whole 'minor faction size limit' deal by just affiliating it with a major faction, then never writing with said faction - so why bother changing it? I'd almost argue for lowering them, at this point. 2km limit for any minor/corporation, but that's because I think restrictions inherently create some manner of 'i want that' - we'd make larger ships, larger fleets, whatever it is something to actually think about rather than just a checkmark on the old 'no man i swear i'm powerful, look at this article detailing all my factory subs' thing.

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

Leaving aside the actual suggestion's numbers...what problem is this solving?

People make ships more to have them than to use them, and when they do use them it's in invasions where everyone ignores the ship's size anyway.

The template of almost all fleeting posts is to have your character pontificate on how brilliant they are, make some vaguely unintelligible orders and fire 758,000 turbolasers at the enemy, confidently predicting your victory. Of course, if you're replying to someone, one of your corvettes takes 10% shield damage.

How does changing ship sizes affect this?

 

[Vemric Keldra]

That same argument can be made about SSDs

It's not about the ship but who is flying it. If you're a turd just yeeting bigbutt guns at another slug that is yeeting their own bigbutt guns at you, then that's just boring. It's why I've personally took a relative backseat in the fleeting industry for a while until very recently, because other people cropped up that are also tired of just slugfests and we can have some fun with fleeting again.

Anyway, that's a different can of worms. Back to the suggestion.

I see a lot of veiled dislike toward minor factions for absolutely no reason lately. It is already stated that minors can't field the same size army/fleet as a major and that's cool. I wouldn't dream of going toe to toe with a major. If I want to do that, I'll go major and invade, simple as. But story is a thing.

But my counter-suggestion would be to NOT have Unique 7. But do grant minors/corpos the grace back to have SU at 5, but cap them at highest ratings of Very High. I still believe minors shouldn't go bigger than 5 for their ships. Dreadnoughts and bigger should be reserved for the blob hoggers.

So TLDR: Unique at Extreme ratings, SU @ 5000km but cap at Very High, and the rest as normal.

 

[Credit Wizard]

But my counter-suggestion would be to NOT have Unique 7. But do grant minors/corpos the grace back to have SU at 5, but cap them at highest ratings of Very High. I still believe minors shouldn't go bigger than 5 for their ships. Dreadnoughts and bigger should be reserved for the blob hoggers.

So TLDR: Unique at Extreme ratings, SU @ 5000km but cap at Very High, and the rest as normal.

That sounds like an adequate compromise. I'd support this if the suggestion went through.

 

[Yuri Maji]

That same argument can be made about SSDs

It's not about the ship but who is flying it. If you're a turd just yeeting bigbutt guns at another slug that is yeeting their own bigbutt guns at you, then that's just boring. It's why I've personally took a relative backseat in the fleeting industry for a while until very recently, because other people cropped up that are also tired of just slugfests and we can have some fun with fleeting again.

Anyway, that's a different can of worms. Back to the suggestion.

I see a lot of veiled dislike toward minor factions for absolutely no reason lately. It is already stated that minors can't field the same size army/fleet as a major and that's cool. I wouldn't dream of going toe to toe with a major. If I want to do that, I'll go major and invade, simple as. But story is a thing.

But my counter-suggestion would be to NOT have Unique 7. But do grant minors/corpos the grace back to have SU at 5, but cap them at highest ratings of Very High. I still believe minors shouldn't go bigger than 5 for their ships. Dreadnoughts and bigger should be reserved for the blob hoggers.

So TLDR: Unique at Extreme ratings, SU @ 5000km but cap at Very High, and the rest as normal.

I agree with this. Covered most of my thoughts as well.

I do agree that 7km is a bit big for a minor faction to manage, no matter how well established. I'll be the first to admit that bias plays into the old rule, I've had a lot of fun bringing a big boy along for a brawl to play with the aspect of THE TERROR OF SPACE

Guess what I'm trying to say is it's just flavour text at this point but it's a small aspect of fleeting and factory that I love. A chance to let loose with something bold and loud when the occasion calls for it.

SU @ 5000km but cap at Very High,

Also I'm totally in favour of 5000km long warships, that'll make for one hell of an entrance.

 

[Vemric Keldra]

Also I'm totally in favour of 5000km long warships, that'll make for one hell of an entrance.

Shush - it's late and I had a uh...blonde moment

I meant 5km.

 

[Braze]

I don't think OP's idea is ridiculous at all. It seems like it gives a bit more room for theater of the mind while also appealing to folks who really enjoy the number crunching and subtle intricacies where those fleeting stats still matter. If someone isn't concerned with the numbers in the first place, they might be missing the spirit of what's being proposed.

 

[Selrik Lorcas]

I think the rules as they are now is fine. How often do you engage, as a minor, in fleet combat with a major, anyway? Even if you do, superior tactics CAN defeat larger ships.

 

[Vemric Keldra]

I think the rules as they are now is fine. How often do you engage, as a minor, in fleet combat with a major, anyway? Even if you do, superior tactics CAN defeat larger ships.

Some of us actually do engage - especially as PMCs - in invasions. I can't remember the last invasion/major pvp event that didn't have at least Strill Securities or the Hellion PMC or at least some minor faction in it, duking it out against the majors as an ally of someone. The warposting scene is alive and well in invasions - including fleeting - where minors and megacorps are concerned. Most people just miss it cause they're too focused on their duels.

And yes tactics do prevail - I did exactly that with another minor faction fleeter alt of mine against a major's fleet very recently. But for some megacorps and minors, it does make sense story wise to rock up with a decent size fleet - if narrative allows. It's all about faction/megacorp doctrine at the end of the day.

Why can't a minor faction/megacorp work themselves up to earning some bigger ships story wise? It would honestly just be wtf funny if the Trade Federation rocked up somewhere with just a couple of starfighters - cause that's what the nay-sayers of this suggestion thread are basically suggesting. It's the Trade Federation IC - not some mouse. It would make sense for them IC to have at least 2 Lucrehulks and a couple of SDs in order to protect all their assets across the galaxy. Same goes for even a fledgeling empire - you're not going to have some gunboats, that's just stupid IC, cause why do you call yourself an empire then?

Everyone keeps forgetting they all started out as a minor faction and worked themselves up to major status and were maybe even given their major status break purely BECAUSE a major faction deigned to give them a chance and say "go ahead - even though you minor, I don't mind you fielding an army". Now the major factions just bang on their chests and look down on minor factions and say "No you don't deserve it" derp.

If you want to negate the suggestion, better arguments against need to made than "Majors are the shiz and minors don't deserve the time of day and shouldn't be allowed to have jack". How bad would be for a Major with 3 SSDs and 2 Dreadnoughts and a huge fleet with 10 SDs in once invasion to fleet against a minor faction with a Battlecruiser capped at Very High ratings, maybe 2 SDs and a handful of Corvettes? What harm can it really do?

 

[Selrik Lorcas]

How does adding 2000m help you in that situation?

Not trying to fight, just playing devils advocate. Frankly, even single worlds had fleets in EU. Bakura canonically had two cruisers they commissioned themselves. Booster Terrik had a Star Destroyer.

Why not allow minors of reasonable size to field a single SSD level craft?

 

[Tefka]

Resize this

/me points

 

[Braze]

Resize this

/me points

yes pls this.
More size and more space means more possibilities—more things you can do, more ways to expand. Just a suggestion for some updates, especially since things have been... shifting lately.

SSD feels more like set dressing for the heavy hitters.

I only kind of get the number-crunching side of things. I can see why people enjoy it, but it's a bit much for me to fully commit to. If you want the math to actually matter, you've got to consider the do's and don'ts in detail.

Still, it's just a supporting layer—flavor to help ground the concept in something that feels like it could work, even if it's not the main focus.

 

[Braze]

For me... a lot of Fleeting is just too much info to consider or commit to. It feels more like a tabletop or war game, where people want to get into the numbers side of things. That’s cool if that’s your thing...but for me, it’s a lot.

Here’s an example: I’ve got the tabs lined up from the smallest ship groupings to the largest. That’s about as structured as I like to get with it.

I made the tables like flash cards; each one is a simplified snapshot of the ships I can use. That way I know what I can pick and choose from when I’m figuring out what kind of operation I want to write or RP.

Once I’ve got an idea, I just pick out the ships that fit and decide what to use for the thread. If I really need to, I’ll go into the ship link to check any special features or lore tied to it.

It’s just how I simplify things for myself, because, honestly, it is a lot to take in.

Right now, I believe minor factions and companies can only go up to battlecruisers (which is one of the tabs I have), but they can’t field dreadnoughts. The OP is basically proposing people be allowed to have just one unique, dreadnought-sized ship.

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• This is a list of available naval assets ranging from small craft to the largest of dreadnoughts.
  
  
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    Name	Role	Largest Side	Capacity	Ratings	HyperDrive	Production
    Δ-1 A-wing Interceptor "Delta Wing"	High speed interceptor	6.9 meters	1 Pilot + Astromech	Armament: High Defense: High Manuverability: Very High / Speed: Very High/	'Ori'karbakar' Advanced Hyperdrive-Navicomputer Module	Minor
    Ashwing	High-speed, Agile Starfighter	15 meters	Crew: 1-2 + Astromech	Extreme (Armament) / Low (Defenses) / Very High (Maneuverability) / Extreme (Speed)	Hyperdrive 1.0, Backup 4.0, Hyperdrive Ring 0.1	Unique
    Fang Space Superiority Fighter	Space Superiority	15 meters	1 Pilot + Armored Astromech	Average (Armament) / Average (Defenses) / Low (Squadron Count) / Average (Speed) / Average (Maneuverability)	Class 2	Semi-Unique
    Inquisition Gunship	Firefights, Escorts, Small Group Transport	18.5 m	Crew of 4		1	Semi-Unique
    YT-1300 Modified	Modified Freighter	34.7 m	Cargo hold, Crew quarters, Captain's quarters, Entertainment quarters, Medical bay, Smuggling compartment, Speeder bay (garage)	Armament: Very High (2x dual rapid-fire laser turrets, 2x heavy laser cannons, 1x laser cannon, 2x quad missile silos) Defense: Low Maneuverability: Moderate Speed: High	0.5	Limited
    B-Zero	Heavy Starfighter	29.4 m	Enlarged cockpit (1 passenger)	Armament: Very High Defense: Average Maneuverability: Moderate Speed: Average	1	Minor
    GACASB-368 Tornado Class	Close Air Support, Bombing Runs	20.04 m	Squadron Count: 10	Armament: Very High (Rear Dual Warthog Ball Turret, Tail Mounted Heavy Composite Beam Cannons, Nose Mounted Chain Laser, Internal Bomb Bay, Wing Munition Mounts) Defense: High (Deflector Shields, Chaff System, ECM Suite, Heavy Armor Plating) Maneuverability: Very Low Speed: High	None	Minor
    GAMS-346 Astrocat	Blockade Running, Stealth Operations	65 m	Squadron Count: 6	Armament: Moderate (4x Laser Cannons, 2x Heavy Laser Cannons, 2x Torpedo Launchers, 1x EMP Launcher, 1x Rear-Facing Auto Turret) Defense: High (Deflector Shields, Chaff System, ECM Suite, Missile Deactivation Transmitter, Heavy Armor Plating) Maneuverability: High Speed: High	2	Minor
    HF-2 Jair Kyr'am Heavy Fighter	Heavy Assault	29 m	N/A	Armament: Very High Defense: Very High Maneuverability: Low Speed: Low	1	Minor
    LES-02 Tra Oyakarur	Law Enforcement, Bounty Hunting	16 meters.	Secure prisoner transport pod	Armament: Extreme (Electrothermal mass-driver rotary cannons, Modular mass-driver ordnance launchers, EMP) Defense: High (Molecularly-bonded Duranium frame, Stygian Triprismatic polymer armor, Advanced shielding) Maneuverability: High Speed: High	Advanced Hyperdrive	Minor
    Spitfire-class Light Patrol Craft	Combat, Patrol	23 m	Device bay for various weapons or systems	Armament: High Defense: Average Maneuverability: High Speed: Average	1	Minor
    Tuitio Support Boat	Starfighter Support	50 m	N/A	Armament: None Defense: Extreme Maneuverability: Low Speed: Moderate	1 back up 7	Minor
    Jackal Pods	Stealth Boarding Pod	16 meters	1 Squad (Troops)	Very Low (Armament) / Moderate (Defenses) / Low (Squadron Count) / High (Speed) / None (Hyperdrive)	None	Minor
    Luna Troop Transport	Troop Transport	30 meters	20 Armored Troopers or 30 Unarmored Troopers	High (Armament) / High (Defenses) / Very Low (Squadron Count) / Low (Speed & Maneuverability)	Class 5	Minor
    SS-Phantomray Stealth Assault Interceptor	Stealth Assault	25 meters	Crew: 4, Cargo: 20 metric tons	Very High (Armament) / Moderate (Defenses) / Very Low (Squadron Count) / High (Speed & Maneuverability)	Hyperdrive 1.0, Backup 4.0, Ring 0.1	Minor
    Arkonok-class Patrol Courier	Multirole Operations	20 m	Small cargo bay, Compact living space	Armament: High Defense: High Maneuverability: Average Speed: Average	1	Mass-Produced
    Bit Interceptor	Interceptor	12 meters	1 Pilot	Very Low (Armament) / Low (Defenses) / Moderate (Squadron Count) / High (Speed & Maneuverability)	None	Mass-Produced
    Blade Wing	Starfighter, Bomber	16.9 m	Squadron Count: 3	Armament: Very High (2x Laser cannons, 2x Rapid laser cannons, 2x Proton torpedoes, 4x Proton bombs, 1x Composite-beam laser) Defense: Average Maneuverability: Moderate Speed: Moderate	2	Mass-Produced
    CST Toscan 8-R Fighter	Pursuit, Combat	12.75 m	1	Armament: Average Defense: N/A Maneuverability: Average Speed: High	1	Mass-Produced
    Dienekes Drones	Bomber Drone	15 meters	None	Very High (Armament) / None (Defenses) / Extreme (Squadron Count) / Very Low (Maneuverability & Speed)	None	Mass-Produced
    Directorate Ghost Viper Interceptor	High-Speed Interception	10.5 m	Astromech slot	Armament: Average Defense: Low Maneuverability: Average Speed: High	1	Mass-Produced
    Dynamic-class Freighter II	Cargo, Smuggling, Multipurpose	37.24 m	Cargo capacity: 150 tonnes, Crew capacity: 8, Speeders: 6 small or 2 medium	Armament: Very High (2x quad laser cannons, 2x dual heavy laser cannons, 1x light repeating laser turret) Defense: High (Strong Hull, Deflector shield, Internal defenses) Maneuverability: Low Speed: Moderate	2 (Backup: 3)	Mass-Produced
    HA-2 Pike	Combat, Troop Delivery	30 m	Crew drop module	Armament: Very High Defense: High Maneuverability: Low Speed: Low	1	Mass-Produced
    HA-3 Hutthound Assault Craft	Combat, Transport	26.6 m	Latching system for various vehicles	Armament: Average Defense: High Maneuverability: Low Speed: Low	2	Mass-Produced
    HF-3 Aran	Long Range Escort	14 m	Crew of 4	Armament: Very High (4x Particle Cannons, 4x Universal Launch Tubes, 2x Twin laser turrets) Defense: Average (Duraplast plating, Shields) Maneuverability: Average Speed: Average	1	Mass-Produced
    HF-3 Aran Long Range Heavy Escort Fighter	Long-Range Escort	14 m	Crew of 4, Rack space	Armament: Very High Defense: Average Maneuverability: Average Speed: Average	1	Mass-Produced
    Kessel-class Armed Courier	Courier, Combat	33 m	Small living quarters	Armament: Average Defense: Average Maneuverability: Average Speed: High	1	Mass-Produced
    PF-1 Mynock Parasite Fighter	Combat, Defense	7 m	Underside docking clamp	Armament: Low Defense: Average Maneuverability: Average Speed: Average	None	Mass-Produced
    Strays Assault Boarding Pod	Infiltration, Seizing Ships	16 m	Crew of 20	Armament: None Defense: Average (Ion shields, Particle shields) Maneuverability: Average Speed: Very High	None	Mass-Produced
    Vesparum Interceptor	Interceptor, Dogfighting	10 m	Crew capacity: 2 (pilot, co-pilot)	Armament: Low (2x laser cannons, 4x light repeating laser cannons, 2x missile launchers) Defense: Average (Deflector shield, Quadranium steel hull) Maneuverability: Very High (RCS enhanced) Speed: Moderate	N/A	Mass-Produced
    VOI Speeder	Multipurpose Speeder	16 m	Cargo capacity: 1 tonne	Armament: Low (2x laser cannons) Defense: Average (Forward-facing particle shield, 9-inch thick layer of quadranium) Maneuverability: Very High Speed: Moderate	N/A	Mass-Produced
    SS-Ebonray Assault Interceptor	Assault Interceptor	Not specified	Crew: 4, Cargo: Not specified	Very High (Armament & Defense) / High (Maneuverability) / Very High (Speed)	Not specified	Not specified

    
    
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    Name	Role	Largest Side	Capacity	Ratings	HyperDrive	Production
    Freebird Asteroid Corvette	Stealth Operations	250 meters	Hangar: Extreme: 4 Starfighters: 4 Squadrons Support Craft: Base - 0 Squadrons	Armament: Low Defense: High Maneuverability: Average Speed: Low	1	Unique
    Midnight Blue Rose	Personal Ship, Blockade Evader	131 m	2 freighters, Luxury living space	Armament: Low Defense: Average Maneuverability: Moderate Speed: High	2	Unique
    Enigma-class FAC	Fast Attack	170 m	N/A	Armament: High Defense: Low Maneuverability: High Speed: High	1	Minor
    GAASC-50 Tenacity Class	Anti-Starship, Transport	115 meters	Marine platoon capacity, Modular docking port	Armament: Very High (12x Spear Thrower Flak Cannons) Defense: High Maneuverability: Low Speed: Low	None	Minor
    Lighthouse-class Freighter	Cargo Transport	52 m	Cargo Hold	Armament: None Defense: Very Low Maneuverability: Average Speed: Very High	1	Minor
    Influunt-class Aquatic Utility Corvette	Utility Operations, Aquatic Landing	142 m	Utility bay, Single ship hangar	Armament: None Defense: Average Maneuverability: Very High Speed: High	2	Mass-Produced
    Rain-class Direct Fire Escort Corvette	Escort Operations	110 m	N/A	Armament: Low Defense: Low Maneuverability: High Speed: High	1	Mass-Produced
    PS-1 Tagger Corvette	Port Protection, Escort	182 m	N/A	Armament: Average Defense: Average Maneuverability: Average Speed: High	1	Mass-Produced

    
    
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    Name	Role	Largest Side	Capacity	Ratings	HyperDrive	Production
    Fugu Frigate "Puffin' Tuff"	Cargo Transport, Defensive Freighter	500 m	Dedicated Hangar, Medical Bay, Carbonite Freezing Chamber	Armament: Very Low (Oversized slug thrower-style cannons, Spike and harpoon launchers) Defense: Very High (Strong durable shielding, Advanced tractor beam) Maneuverability: High Speed: High	1.0 (Backup: 1.5)	Minor
    Sur'haai-class Scout Frigate	Reconnaissance, Missile Platform	230 m	N/A	Armament: Average Defense: Low Maneuverability: High Speed: Very High	1	Minor
    Storm-class Torpedo Assault Frigate	Heavy Support Fire	450 m	N/A	Armament: Very High Defense: Low Maneuverability: High Speed: Average	1	Minor
    Udarnik Assault Frigate	Hit-and-Run, Backline Support	500 m	1 squadron of fighters/interceptors/bombers or 4 gunships	Armament: Very High (20x quad turbolasers, 20x quad lasers, 2x medium torpedo launchers) Defense: High (Quadanium steel hull, Deflector shield) Maneuverability: Low Speed: High	1 (Backup: 6)	Mass-Produced
    Neebray-class Cargo Frigate	Cargo Transport	275 m	Shared hangar and cargo area	Armament: Low Defense: Average Maneuverability: Low Speed: Low	1	Mass-Produced
    Barri-class Cargo Frigate	Cargo Transport, Combat	230 m	N/A	Armament: Low Defense: Very High Maneuverability: Low Speed: Average	2	Mass-Produced
    Argonaut-class Carrier	Carrier / Anti-Fighter	500 meters	5 Squadrons	Average (Defenses) / Low (Maneuverability) / Average (Speed)	Class 2	Mass-Produced
    Crafty Collector Crab	Mining and Salvage Vessel	500 meters	Crew: Not specified, Cargo: High-capacity	Very Low (Armament) / Extreme (Defenses) / Average (Maneuverability) / High (Speed)	Hyperdrive 2.0, Backup 1.5	Mass-Produced
    Arcon-class Utility Vessel	Repair, Freight, Exploration	210 m	Utility bay, Single craft hangar	Armament: Low Defense: Average Maneuverability: High Speed: High	1	Mass-Produced

    
    
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    Name	Role	Largest Side	Capacity	Ratings	HyperDrive	Production
    Firebrand-class Artillery Cruiser	Long-Range Artillery	535 m	1 squadron (Support Craft)	Armament: Very High Defense: Average Maneuverability: Average Speed: Average	1	Minor
    Sorgan-class Ordnance Cruiser	Fleet Support	1,000 m	3 squadrons	Armament: High Defense: High Maneuverability: Average Speed: Average	1	Minor
    Wasp-type Heavy Cruiser	Heavy Assault	1000 m	1 squadron (Support Craft)	Armament: Very High Defense: High Maneuverability: Average Speed: Average	1	Mass-Produced
    Shield-class Escort Cruiser	Escort Duties	600 m	3 squadrons max (Variable)	Armament: Low Defense: High Maneuverability: Average Speed: Average	1	Mass-Produced
    Acklay-class Cruiser	Fleet Support, Flagship	840 m	4 squadrons	Armament: High Defense: Average Maneuverability: Low Speed: Average	1	Mass-Produced
    Ireth-Class Cruiser	Combat, Close-Quarters Battle	1000 m	1 squadron	Armament: Average Defense: Moderate Maneuverability: Moderate Speed: Average	1	Mass-Produced

    
    
    
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    Name	Role	Largest Side	Capaciity	Ratings	HyperDrive	Production
    Hammerhead Destroyer	Close to Mid-Range Warfare	1,550 m	Hangar: 2x B-Zero squadrons, 12x Split Wing T-90 squadrons	Armament: Average Defense: Moderate Maneuverability: Low Speed: High	2 (Backup: 4)	Minor
    Blizzard-class Heavy Starcarrier	Fleet Support, Fighter Carrier	1500 m	10 squadrons	Armament: Low Defense: Average Maneuverability: Average Speed: Average	1	Mass-Produced

    
    
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    Name	Role	Largest Side	Capaciity	Ratings	HyperDrive	Production
    Apex Predator: Baby Shark Flagship	Command, High-Speed Ramming	1500 m	Crew: 1,400-14,000	Armament: Extreme (Thunderer Turbolasers, Tusk Missile Launchers, Super-Heavy Class-D Disruptor Cannon, etc.) Defense: Extreme (Alusteel frame, Reinforced Duraplast Hull, Deflector shields) Maneuverability: Very High Speed: Very High	1	Unique
    Aranar-class Orbital Defense Battlecruiser	Planetary Defense	5000 m	Starfighters: 12 squadronsSupport Craft: 4 squadrons	Armament: Extreme Defense: Extreme Maneuverability: None Speed: None	1.0 with 6.0 backup.	Limited
    Aegis Care Cruiser	Combat Support, Medical Evacuation	2,500 m	18 starfighter squadrons, Advanced medical facilities	Armament: Extreme (Advanced turbolasers, Ion cannons) Defense: Extreme (Durable materials, Advanced shielding) Maneuverability: Very Low Speed: Very Low	Specialized hyperdrive system	Limited
    Great Mother Shark	Amphibious Ship of the Line	5,000 meters max	Crew: 1,400 - 14,000	Extreme (Defense) / Very High (Speed & Maneuverability) / Extreme (Kinetic Resist)	Not specified	Semi-Unique

    
    
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    Name	Role	Largest Side	Capacity	Ratings	HyperDrive	Production

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    Name	Role	Largest Side	Capacity	Ratings	HyperDrive	Production
    Balthazar Long-term Interstellar Settlement Station (B.L.I.S.S.) X3	Colony/Space Station	10,000 meters (Length, Width, Height)	1 million residents	Armaments: N/A: Civilian Spacestation Defense Rating: Extreme Speed Rating: Very Low Maneuverability Rating:: None Energy Resist: Very High Kinetic Resist: Very High Radiation Resist: Very High Other Resistance(s): ION/EMP: Very High	1.0	Semi-Unique

  
  
• This is a list of available ground assets.
  
  Ground Vehicles:​
  
  
  Light Assault Vehicles
  

  Item Name
  GASW-27 Bobcat Light Walker
  GAIFV-14 Puma
  GARS-75 Ladybug Rescue Craft
  GAAPC-39 SkyCat Light Armored Speeder
  W.A.R. T.O.R.T.L.E.

  
  Medium Assault Vehicles
  

  Item Name
  GAMBT-29 Cougar Medium Tank
  GARV-15 Stag Construction Vehicle

  
  Heavy Ground Assault Vehicles:
  

  Item Name
  GATE-13 Tiger
  GALRT-37 Panthac

  
  
  
• This is a list of available aquatic assets.
  
  Aquatic Crafts:​
  Amphibian Vehicles:
  
  

  Item Name
  GAMA-57 Jaguar Submarine

  
  
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  Artillery:​
  
  Heavy Ordinance
  

  Item Name	Weapon Type	Production
  Mk.II "Starfire" Plasma-caster
  GAGL-56 Snarl Explosive Launcher
  GARL-17 Sabertooth
  The BOOM Launcher

  
  Underwater Ordnance
  

  Item Name	Weapon Type	Production
  SS Riptide Homing Torpedo
  SS AquaDart Homing Torpedo
  SS Hydra Shard Homing Torpedo
  SS Tidebreaker Homing Torpedo
  SS Leviathan Homing Torpedo
  SS Kraken Homing Torpedo

  
  
  Anti-Personnel
  

  Item Name

  Anti-Vehicle
  

  Item Name

  Anti-Aircraft
  

  Item Name
  GARP-34 Tusk Missile Pod
  GAFC-4 Spear Thrower Anti-Starfighter Cannon

  
  
  Military Artillery
  

  Item Name
  Si Tech 12 Frosties

  
  
  Naval Artillery
  

  Item Name
  GATB-71 Hammer Turbolaser

  
  
  
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  Armor Weapons Droids Misc Gear Units and Locations

  • 
    Armor
    

    Item Name	Type	Production
    FFS- Utility Belt	Belt	Minor
    TACA-53 Pelt	Light Armour	Mass-Produced
    FFS Force User Battle Armor	Light / Medium / Heavy - Armour	Limited

    
    
  • 
    Meelee
    

    Item Name	Weapon Type	Production
    GAPT-1 Rex Handaxe	Hand Axe	Mass-Produced

    Throwables
    

    Item Name	Weapon Type	Production
    GASG-127 Roar	Electric Cloud - Granade	Minor

    
    
    
    Firearms​
    Non-Fatal Firearms
    

    Item Name	Weapon Type	Production
    G.O.O. Grappler
    GAUB-27 Soft Paw Pistol
    Zapper
    Chill Out Rifle

    Pistols
    

    Item Name	Weapon Type	Production
    PK-45 "Peacekeeper" Hybrid disruptor pistol
    GAB-35 Fang

    Battle Rifles
    

    Item Name	Weapon Type	Production
    M874-Series lever-action banger || Black Hand Rifle co.
    EE-5 Particle Carbine
    GABB-14 Talon Blaster Rifle

    Blast Cannons
    

    Item Name	Weapon Type	Production
    GAPSG-20 Thunderfist Scatterblaster

    Assault Rifles
    

    Item Name	Weapon Type	Production
    KA-47M "Freedom fighter" Blaster rifle
    DC-15L "Legion" Heavy Blaster Rifle
    SM-1A1 "Commando" Miniaturized Particle-Autoblaster
    GAAB-29 Claw

    Repeating Blaster Rifles
    

    Item Name	Weapon Type	Production
    GAVMBC-375 Warthog Blaster Cannon
    GABC-17 Boar

    Ranged Weapon Mods
    

    Item Name	Weapon Type	Production
    FFS- Quiver Trigger - Grip / Stock
    FFS- I. S.P.Y. : Scope
    FFS- H.A.R.M. - Shroud

    Saber Weapon Mods
    

    Item Name	Type	Production
    FFS-RIP-Cell: Power Cell	Power Cell	Limited
    FFS-Refined Phobium Emitter	Emitter	Mass-Produced
    FFS- Refined Compound Lens - Vibration Dragite Lens	Lens	Mass-Produced
    FFS- A.D.A.P.T. Saber Mod Kit	All you need and more	Minor
    FFS-ACV (Advanced Cooling Vents)	Cooling Vents	Limited

    
    
    
  • 
    
    Droids/Drones
    

    Item Name	Role/Purpose	Production
    GARD-14 Raven Droid	Battle Droid	Minor

    
    
  • 
    
    Equipment​
    Gear
    

    Item Name	Production
    TSS - Standard Issue Survival Kit	Minor
    Wolverine Tac-Tool-28	Mass-Produced

    Chaos Crystals
    

    Crystal	Effect	Production
    Amplification Crystal
    Entropite Crystal
    Frostheart Crystal
    Ignitious Crystal
    Mindshatter Crystal
    Phantom Ghostfire Crystal
    Tiger's Fang Crystal

    
    
  • This is a list of all armies, fleets, NPC units, and locations that have been made and approved through the codex.
    Fleets/Naval Forces
    

    Name	Affiliation/Commanding Officer
    Phoenix Auxilia	Aether of the Iron Order

    Armies/Ground Forces
    

    Name	Affiliation/Commanding Officer

    NPC Units
    

    Name	Affiliation/Commanding Officer
    Task-Force Rebel Dawn	Balun Dashiell

    Other
    

    Name	Affiliation/Commanding Officer

    Locations
    

    Name	Hex/Planet/System

    
    
    
    
  
  

Permissions:
[X] Shuklaar Kyrdol
[X] Aloy Vizsla
[X] Jonyna Si

 

[Tefka]

The OP is basically proposing people be allowed to have just one unique, dreadnought-sized ship.

I cant form into words how much I don’t care about this suggestion.

I actually hope the Factory Admin never caves and gives this. I hope you all suffer because of it. I hope someone actually posts a youtube video of them crying because this suggestion was never fulfilled. I hope IRL political leaders get involved and petition this suggestion to be accepted so we can make a montage of us saying no.

 

[Jonyna Si]

Right now, I believe minor factions and companies can only go up to battlecruisers (which is one of the tabs I have), but they can’t field dreadnoughts. The OP is basically proposing people be allowed to have just one unique, dreadnought-sized ship.

Yes, but that then opens the pandora's box of just creating a fuck ton of unique dreadnaughts.

SSDs/Dreadnaughts need to be earned through 2 successive invasion wins, which is a lot harder nowadays than it was before when it was just 4 doms in a row.

Ship tonnage is entirely irrelevant when no one takes damage anyways. No one is gonna let their precious unique submission go boom, barely anyone lets their mass produced ships go boom.

Let Majors have their cool shit. You don't need a Dreadnaught as a minor if you know your ships are OOC invincible anyways.

 

[Braze]

Yes, but that then opens the pandora's box of just creating a fuck ton of unique dreadnaughts.

SSDs/Dreadnaughts need to be earned through 2 successive invasion wins, which is a lot harder nowadays than it was before when it was just 4 doms in a row.

Ship tonnage is entirely irrelevant when no one takes damage anyways. No one is gonna let their precious unique submission go boom, barely anyone lets their mass produced ships go boom.

Let Majors have their cool shit. You don't need a Dreadnaught as a minor if you know your ships are OOC invincible anyways.

I think SSDs and Dreadnaughts are different categories of sizes actually.

 

[Koda Fett]

Fleeting BAD.

 

[Braze]

Fleeting BAD.

Fleeting hard.

 

[Jonyna Si]

I think SSDs and Dreadnaughts are different categories of sizes actually.

They aren't. The only difference is that SSDs are required to be unique, while you can have semi-unique Dreadnaughts. You earn them the same way. Win two invasions as a major.