Sith Magic...Jedi Magic?

[Lynn Nantaris]

So Star Wars is a big and rich lore, leaving room for adding. I have been studying the Force and came across different expressionstyles of the Force. I came across Sith Magic. Which at its basic is a pure expression of the dark side destruction and negative emotions.

What if there was a Jedi Magic that was a pure reflection of the light side and positive emotion.

Ok, all I got thus far, anyone want to give their thoughts?

 

[Ellie Mors]

[member="Jacen Clanstrider"]
What kind of things would such an expression of the light side of the force entail?

 

[Aerin Kath]

[member="Lily Kuhn"] - I'd assume it would be what sith magic is, but... opposite?a light-side shift? some type of weird sideways jump/parallel to the magic?

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

[member="Jacen Clanstrider"]
My Jedi Phylis Alince has created Light Alchemy: Alkahest.

In time Light Magic is not beyond creating. The Force's weird Zoroastrian light/dark dichotomy is actually useful at times. If something exists for the Dark it must be possible for the Light as well...but of course difficult to create and use right away.

 

[Ellie Mors]

[member="Aerin Kath"]
I'm just asking what ideas were had for this, because my only endeavors in this regard were similar to [member="Valiens Nantaris"]'s pioneering of light side alchemy, though mine was more of a balancing act for the force than anything.

 

[Aerin Kath]

[member="Lily Kuhn"] - I'd actually like to know too, I was speculating off of what you were saying, trying to theory craft. sorry if it seemed like I was being sarcastic, not my purpose.

 

[Lynn Nantaris]

[member="Lily Kuhn"] [member="Aerin Kath"] [member="Valiens Nantaris"]

Please don't laugh (you always know anything that follows that phrase is good)

So where I work I see a lot of trailers and one always sticks out to me, Doctor Strange. (So excited even though I know nothing about doctor strange.) By the trailer it kinda looks like a cross between Jedi, martial arts and inception. Magic, but not in a showing way, more of a bending of reality or mystism. It got me thinking, what if something simular to that was on the site?

Now stopping a second, I am not perposing something where people can learn to make total waves or become a star wars merlin or something. I am also not proposing something that can be learned at a low level or even mid level. More along the lines, "so you think you have learned all the Force has for a lightsaber? Here is a door to a whole other branch."

I am honestly not sure how this idea will blossom, but if it does I would want it to match the richness of the lore already and develop new history to this ideal.

So far I have very little in the way of, "oh here is a power idea." Though I did have one idea of anew orb linked through the living Force and within reason able to communicate with Jedi of old. An Orb of Council if you will. The prospect, if used correctly and in moderation, I believe could make great story lines. Ie people getting "quests" of sorts from people like Yoda or Shan? Or learning little nuggets from Masters of old? Just an idea.

 

[Aerin Kath]

[member="Jacen Clanstrider"] - the holocron of ages basically?

 

[Lynn Nantaris]

[member="Aerin Kath"]

Did I miss it? Is this already a thing? Darn.

 

[Aerin Kath]

[member="Jacen Clanstrider"] - no, but it COULD be a thing, is what I'm saying, that could be it's name, or lightside seance or something

 

[Celiana]

I'd always thought that with the pyrokinises and basically using the elements in a Force aspect could be applicable in other ways. Maybe like lightning redirection a la Zuko from Avatar the last airbender. Plo Koon and several others have used Electric Judgement...Perhaps using Jedi Alchemy and instead of infusing gear with the Dark-side one could do so with the light? Kyle Katarn basically used the force to purge a red crystal of all darkness inside turning it yellow. Perhaps taking Dark-side alchemized items and purging them tunring them to light side items? May not ever happen but who knows? they're ideas. Though I'd love to see bending the elements in a star wars Forcey way if possible. Cause ya know why not?

 

[Lynn Nantaris]

[member="Aerin Kath"]
Opens up a world of possibility.
[member="Celiana"]
I believe you are thinking of the Shapers of Kro Var (not sure if that is the right name.) Not exactly what I am wanting to craft, but maybe. I want to stay away from making things simular to animus as Star Wars powers are not very anime like. I want to keep the essence true.

 

[Avicus DuSang]

I once saw a man create a ball of pure light side energy. On Korriban.

All hail Jedi Grandmaster Archbishop Wizard Hawk Hinata!!

-clears his throat-

So, yes. I believe.

 

[Darth Prazutis]

[member="Jacen Clanstrider"]

Not to be devils advocate here but the Jedi don't have light side alchemy for a few reasons in canon history. The first and last time the Jedi made use of alchemy was during the ancient Je'daii Order at the height of the Infinite Empire and before all of the splitting stuff. This is seen when a member of the Je'daii Order created what would become terentateks. Afterwards up to present day they never did. The jedi of the past view alchemy as an abomination of the force. A great example of this is in the Book of Sith by Daniel Wallace. In one particular chapter about Sith alchemy, Mace Windu says this:

"The council rejects all inquiry into living alchemy, no exceptions. This act is an affront to the living force." - Mace Windu

So the act of manipulating creatures through the use of alchemy is seen as vile in that context. As for the creation of items and objects I also read in the same book by the Jedi that the "Sith focus on collected treasures and neglect the study of the force, its one way they miss the big picture". On one hand I don't see why the Jedi couldn't use positive energy and alchemy to make weapons and stuff. After all they were the first developers of what would become Jedi Swords and Sith Katanas through force imbued weaponry.

While on Chaos it is different here as [member="Valiens Nantaris"] said one of his characters makes use of something similar too. But by what you read through the Jedi and various books it makes sense as to why they don't. The idea of surrounding yourself with powerful trinkets like magical amulets, rings, staves, etc imbued with alchemy is seen as a vain tactic by the Sith who flaunt their power and who need all of these trinkets and items they surround themselves with. While the Sith command the force the Jedi call upon it to help them, they're training is opposite of Sith beliefs.

 

[Darth Carnifex]

Sith Magic & Alchemy is best Magic / Alchemy.

 

[Darth Eversor]

This is magic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz50hqWrHUY

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

[member="Darth Prazutis"]
Come on, this is a Jedispawn. Does it look horrific to you?

Phylis does not pursue living alchemy, but the material stuff, with metal, stone or cloth.

The reason why they don't in canon is because the Sith are the bad guys, there's few of them, and they need to seem mystical and special. Having Jedi do it would stop the villains be special.

 

[Lynn Nantaris]

[member="Darth Prazutis"]

Was that all memory? That was an impressive use of "canon" source!

While I agree with the animal part, I believe trinkets could be used for good. Holocronso are kind of an example of this as they hold power, but it is what you do with that power that dictates if it is good or bad. If Jedi only focused on letting the Force flow through them then they wouldn't use weapons at all.

To an extent, I believe therected are exceptions to things.

 

[Matsu Xiangu]

[member="Darth Eversor"] Not really sure what idubbbz has to do with this thread.

[member="Jacen Clanstrider"] As an avid writer of a sith sorceress, my biggest recommendation is to just PUT. IN. WORK. Most of what Matsu does is based concretely in canon, but since I started focusing purely on necromancy I really jumped right out in to left field with my own work. I've done threads and threads and threads and even though some of it can't be found anywhere in canon its been - by and large - accepted by the community because I didn't and don't take it lightly. You sound like you don't take your idea lightly either which makes me think whatever you create will be fun to read and well-justified!

My advice on how to get started is this: just write. I had no idea how I wanted to focus Matsu until I let her life shape her. The necromancy came after. You'll find something that matters to your character and it'll bloom from there.

 

[Siobhan Kerrigan]

[member="Matsu Xiangu"]


I totally second what she said.


Speaking for myself, one of my chars, Sumiko, is a Sith sorceress who focuses on Sith magicks, Siobhan is a TK specialist who does extremely destructive with telekinesis like lifting buildings, and a number of my other like Elpsis and Kaida chars use elemental powers like pyrokinesis and cryokinesis in ways that aren't really covered in canon.


It's accepted because I put in the work, each ability has its own internal logic and comes with its own strengths and weaknesses. Same applies to light sided alchemy, magic and so on. No need to feel restricted as long as you can make it work and can develop things organically.


[member="Jacen Clanstrider"]