Songsteel and void stones in a slugthrower

[Cathul Thuku]

I know that void stones neutralize the Force-powers of FUs within a certain range of an object inlaid with void stones (which are going to be obtained soon), and songsteel is rather resistant.

The objective: use these two materials and build a slugthrower capable of firing either 12.7x108s or 14.5x114s using a rail gun, with a 5-round magazine. (Or perhaps a 30-round magazine with a few more posts of dev) Is it a good idea to use songsteel and/or void stones in a slugthrower?

 

[Kami Meran]

not my feild of expertise but making them bulets is a waste. any slug would do.

 

[Rusty]

I'm not saying it can't be done but...why?

Why waste a restricted material on something like that? Voidstone I kinda get, but songsteel? Okay, so it's lightsaber resistant. That doesn't guarantee that it's going to be strong enough for what you're trying to do, nor does it mean it's worth the extra effort. Most you're going to get out of a Factory weapon in my experience for muzzle velocity is +/-3 k/s, and that's plenty doable with nonrestricted materials. It's already going to be a beast of a weapon to lug around, and frankly, you don't want it to be too light, or it'll break you in half.

[member="Cathul Thuku"]

 

[Kami Meran]

[member="Rusty"] trydium ( or whatever its spelled ) is just as light.

 

[Kami Meran]

Void stone / steel is better in armor or melee weapons in my opinion.

 

[Cathul Thuku]

I launched the songsteel sweepstakes a while ago, whereby someone had to rhyme for the whole duel and, in my agreement with that player, I had to do so as well, granting me the songsteel supply I have (I never used it). I know about the implications of recoil vs. weapon weight and I expect the railgun mechanisms to be rather heavy.

But can anyone tell me whether songsteel is strong enough to be usable in a railgun capable of 2-3km/s muzzle velocity with either 12.7x108s or 14.5x114s? (It's obvious to me that anti-materiel slugthrowers would be preferrable to lightsabers when fighting other FUs)

Sometimes when I help out other players with restricted materials, as a measure of courtesy, I will also accomplish the same objective as them, granting me the same restricted material in the same quantity they will end up having.

But void stones are of no use to me as a FU.

 

[Kamon's OOC]

Void stone's don't neutralize the force, they weaken it. Just so you know. It will still have an effect on you, just not as much as normal. It's like a dampener.

 

[Lyth Meran]

[member="Cathul Thuku"]

i could use a wee bit o that btw if you would like to help make a few plates for me.

 

[Cathul Thuku]

[member="Lyth Meran"] You want to duel me for it, rhyming every line? If you do this, you will have enough supplies for an unique item; for me it would mean that I would double the amount of posts I can use and bump the slugthrowers to semi-unique.

 

[Lyth Meran]

you are talking to a massive dyslexic, lol i'd need help. ill stick to trydium / desh

 

[Cathul Thuku]

[member="Lyth Meran"] Just use trydium/desh then. I'll just ask a slugthrower manufacturer to turn this songsteel into an anti-materiel rifle.

 

[Lyth Meran]

cool. [member="Rusty"] is the guy for the job but Alusteel would be better i think.
if i could rhyme id do it.

 

[Cathul Thuku]

Alusteel has one weakness: it isn't lightsaber-resistant, and this anti-vehicle slugthrower is going to be what I will end up using for fighting other FUs: the bullets can be alusteel, though.

 

[Ellie Mors]

12.7x108s or 14.5x114s?

Do you mean millimeters? I've never seen an "s" used as a measurement before.

That being said, do you realize how big 12.7x108mm is? Your target at that point isn't going to be someone holding a lightsaber, it's going to be a tank or some kind of bigger threat considering the gun is going to be practically immobile at that point. Especially if it's a rail gun.

 

[Cathul Thuku]

[member="Lily Kuhn"] 12.7x108s is a shorthand I use to mean 12.7x108mm bullets. I know there are real-world sniper rifles using 12.7x108s (Gepard, OSV-96) so I know it can be used to engage both Sith Lords and ground vehicles from long range. With armor-piercing 12.7x108s I can even penetrate 25mm of armor with a 900 m/s muzzle velocity (the aforementionned Gepard does just that): with a 2 km/s muzzle velocity, these same AP rounds can penetrate much more than that. I don't know, however, whether it can penetrate beskar'gams at that speed.

With the 12.7x108s I can use slugthrowers for more than just engaging infantry, unlike 5.56x45s or 7.62x54s, which are pretty much restricted to an anti-infantry role. But is songsteel strong enough for building a lightsaber-resistant slugthrower out of it? I know cortosis is too brittle by itself, phrik and beskar are routinely used in armor so I know these two can be used to build lightsaber-resistant slugthrowers. The only reason why I want to use the songsteel in the first place is to provide lightsaber resistance and hence engage Sith Lords with it: I know my spells (pyro/cryokinesis, electric judgment) have way shorter range than a slugthrower using 12.7x108s, and for me the recipe to defeat Sith Lords is to wield weapons that can out-range Force-lightning, and fire at them while they are out of Force-lightning range.

Was I to expect fighting mostly NFUs, on the other hand, a DC-15A (or similar) would probably suffice.

Close Encounter of the Third Kind - my supply of songsteel

 

[Rusty]

Okay, I wasn't going to say anything else here, but now I'm kinda getting annoyed.

I know about the implications of recoil vs. weapon weight and I expect the railgun mechanisms to be rather heavy.

No, you really don't. I've read your writing. You might realize that it's a thing, but it's pretty clear you think recoil is a thing that happens to other people. There is no universe in which the weapon you're describing would be shoulder fired, but somehow I get the impression that you're gonna be doing backflips while shooting the wings off of flies or some such nonsense.

the bullets can be alusteel, though.

No. No they can't. Not if you want them to be worth a damn. A projectile with the density of aluminum is going to have the penetration power of a geriatric patient with erectile dysfunction and a heart condition that takes Viagra out of the picture. Sure a rail gun could get them going super duper fast, but it's a bit like trying to knock pears out of a tree with your pecker. Just because it can be done doesn't mean that it's the best or even a particularly effective way to go about your business.

That being said, do you realize how big 12.7x108mm is?

I think we both know the answer to that question.

With the 12.7x108s I can use slugthrowers for more than just engaging infantry, unlike 5.56x45s or 7.62x54s, which are pretty much restricted to an anti-infantry role.

There's so much awful to unpack in this one sentence, I don't even know where to begin. For starters, the 7.62x54r (note the "r" designator, if you're going to use Soviet rounds at least get them right) can be used in an anti-materiel role. You know, kinda like most rounds in the .30 caliber range. Or even the 5.56, if you know what you're doing with it. Itty bitty rounds can still poke holes in stuff with a steel penetrator core, don'tcha know.

The weapon you're describing is not an antipersonnel weapon. Period. It won't have to be lightsaber resistant, because if a Force User is coming at you with a lightsaber, good freaking luck trying to use it as a melee weapon. Good luck trying to shoot anything moving with any speed at all at close range. Or at any range, for that matter.

There are a handful of weapons in this category in use on Chaos, and nearly none of them see use in PVP. Those that do see use are limited to glorified sniper rifles, and I can count on the fingers of no hands the number of people I've seen play it straight where incoming sniper fire is concerned.

 

[Cathul Thuku]

I would probably want to have someone train Cathul ICly with a slugthrower before I have her use, well, any slugthrower I could even want to sub using the songsteel I have.

Would a slugthrower firing a 7.62x54r be a better choice over a slugthrower firing a 12.7x108 for a railgun if I wish to use one for hunting down Sith Lords at range? Could one such slugthrower be shoulder-fired? Maybe I could settle for a slugthrower firing the 7.62x54r over a slugthrower firing the 12.7x108, but you have to remember that Cathul also have a lightsaber, and it's a canon item to boot.

And is there any canonical indication that alusteel has the density of aluminum?

 

[Matreya]

[member="Rusty"]
Damn rusty! Shots fired! XD

[member="Cathul Thuku"]
Alusteel is basically a bolstered aluminum from my knowledge. Roughly 80:20 aluminum to steel.

 

[Ellie Mors]

With the 12.7x108s I can use slugthrowers for more than just engaging infantry, unlike 5.56x45s or 7.62x54s, which are pretty much restricted to an anti-infantry role.

Unless you're going to be on a large vehicle or aircraft, the 12.7x108mm round will not be something you will be using in a weapon that is designed to combat infantry. As a sniper round, sure. As a hand-held machine gun or any other kind of rifle? No.

But is songsteel strong enough for building a lightsaber-resistant slugthrower out of it?

Sure? I see no issue with a songsteel slug.

The only reason why I want to use the songsteel in the first place is to provide lightsaber resistance and hence engage Sith Lords with it: I know my spells (pyro/cryokinesis, electric judgment) have way shorter range than a slugthrower using 12.7x108s, and for me the recipe to defeat Sith Lords is to wield weapons that can out-range Force-lightning, and fire at them while they are out of Force-lightning range.

"Your" range with your abilities is limited only to yourself, I'm going to go ahead and suggest that you don't presume what range other force users might attack from.

Would a slugthrower firing a 7.62x54r be a better choice over a slugthrower firing a 12.7x108 for a railgun if I wish to use one for hunting down Sith Lords at range?

This shouldn't even be a question. A 12.7x108mm is almost exclusively for anti-material/vehicle purposes. Unless said Sith Lord is literally chained to a wall, bound by Ysalamir, and wearing shackles made of void stone, you're going to have a very slim chance of actually hitting one - and that's assuming they want to take the hit, because that's still their choice.

Could one such slugthrower be shoulder-fired?

Shoulder fired? Potentially, assuming you mean the 7.62x54r mm. Not as a railgun, though. You'll break your shoulder and probably rupture most veins and arteries around there.

 

[Rusty]

Okay, let's get this out of the way: if you're going to build this as a rail gun, you can skip the cartridge length.