flesh is temporary
One could even argue that's supported just in the bit Ella quoted themselves.Vulpesen said:
I don't know about all of you, but where I'm from, two does not qualify as many.Ella Nova said:
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Summit of Governments OOC
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Conceited
Due to a considerable amount of metagaming, powergaming, threats and dishonesty from most of the writers involved in this thread I am no longer going to be posting there. I am not a sore loser as some of you suggest and this certainly isn't me claiming that you're metagaming etc. to excuse the fact that I would have likely lost and ended up being captured or killed (I would have accepted my character dying if someone had landed a fatal blow should it have come about.)
It's about the fact that despite my character being outnumbered five to one, trapped, expertly conned into the situation in the first place (kudos Carnifex) and not being odds on to get away almost all of you didn't play "fairly" but simply went in for the kill with the expectation that I would have rolled along with it. This is proven by the fact that many of you claimed that my character wouldn't have been able to do this or do that on the basis that you viewed yours or other people's characters to be significantly stronger than mine. I can prove all of this too but the fact of the matter is that none of you would be willing or even able to up to it despite there being one PM I received in particular that pretty much makes most of you look like really bad roleplayers.
There were only three people in that entire thread who participated who I can say roleplayed properly and didn't metagame or powergame me whatsoever. Everything they did was fair game and properly done. It is a shame that this thread was ruined by specific members of the thread.
I think this entire thread can be summarized by the fact that one of you argued that their character would not have been affected by two Yslamiri that were randomly taken out by another participant on the basis that the Wookieepedia article said that the bubble of two Yslamiri was small despite the fact that they and most of the others in the thread were in the vicinity of that same bubble. Said person roleplayed wearing armour that also counteracted my character's attack in thread to counter my post despite the fact that in all of the posts beforehand they never once roleplayed being in that armour in the first place.
It isn't anything off my back if after this thread none of it's participants want to roleplay with me again because I don't like roleplaying with people who each made the decision to metagame and powergame in a scenario where their characters each already had an overwhelming advantage in the first place. Ridiculous doesn't even accurately describe how ludicrous some of the posts were in this thread.
Compound shield > Planetary shield apparently.
It's about the fact that despite my character being outnumbered five to one, trapped, expertly conned into the situation in the first place (kudos Carnifex) and not being odds on to get away almost all of you didn't play "fairly" but simply went in for the kill with the expectation that I would have rolled along with it. This is proven by the fact that many of you claimed that my character wouldn't have been able to do this or do that on the basis that you viewed yours or other people's characters to be significantly stronger than mine. I can prove all of this too but the fact of the matter is that none of you would be willing or even able to up to it despite there being one PM I received in particular that pretty much makes most of you look like really bad roleplayers.
There were only three people in that entire thread who participated who I can say roleplayed properly and didn't metagame or powergame me whatsoever. Everything they did was fair game and properly done. It is a shame that this thread was ruined by specific members of the thread.
I think this entire thread can be summarized by the fact that one of you argued that their character would not have been affected by two Yslamiri that were randomly taken out by another participant on the basis that the Wookieepedia article said that the bubble of two Yslamiri was small despite the fact that they and most of the others in the thread were in the vicinity of that same bubble. Said person roleplayed wearing armour that also counteracted my character's attack in thread to counter my post despite the fact that in all of the posts beforehand they never once roleplayed being in that armour in the first place.
It isn't anything off my back if after this thread none of it's participants want to roleplay with me again because I don't like roleplaying with people who each made the decision to metagame and powergame in a scenario where their characters each already had an overwhelming advantage in the first place. Ridiculous doesn't even accurately describe how ludicrous some of the posts were in this thread.
Compound shield > Planetary shield apparently.
Kyyrk
Vylmira's Wrath
So first off, sorry your plan was derailed. Everything in this thread so far has been derailed from anything most characters would find useful, so I can imagine they'd want to go straight for the kill shot.
Second, the confrontation was going down in the gardens, and the Yslamiri were in the main gathering hall. Without a detailed map of the temple it's easy enough to say that the gardens are far enough away from the palace that the Yslamiri's effects wouldn't be felt out there.
Third, good thing you bailed when you did, Voph almost had you dead to rights. Won't say how, but he almost did.
Second, the confrontation was going down in the gardens, and the Yslamiri were in the main gathering hall. Without a detailed map of the temple it's easy enough to say that the gardens are far enough away from the palace that the Yslamiri's effects wouldn't be felt out there.
Third, good thing you bailed when you did, Voph almost had you dead to rights. Won't say how, but he almost did.
Kalic Daws
I've seen too much....
[member="Ella Nova"]
Just thought I'd say, I think the shield difference is that at Scarif the ISD was rammed into the shield gate, which we can reasonably assume had at least a portion of the actual shield generator, and may have locally knocked out the shield instead of planet wide. In the RP, the carrier rammed the shield itself, which is probably strong enough to take orbital bombardment.
Just thought I'd say, I think the shield difference is that at Scarif the ISD was rammed into the shield gate, which we can reasonably assume had at least a portion of the actual shield generator, and may have locally knocked out the shield instead of planet wide. In the RP, the carrier rammed the shield itself, which is probably strong enough to take orbital bombardment.
Conceited
That isn't what the film showed or presented.Kalic Daws said:
flesh is temporary
Think again, bud.Ella Nova said:
https://youtu.be/sCVWm20fU0A?t=398
Pretty clearly rams into the actual structure of the shield gate first, after which the entire shield starts going down.
The Arch Wilder
I'm sorry... didn't I just do a DETAILED breakdown of how I didn't meta or powergame? I added citations. If necessary I will bring out my books and do so again in APA format.
flesh is temporary
Can I ask you to do so just for my personal enjoyment? Because this OOC thread is turning into an absolute riot.Vulpesen said:
Conceited
Enlighten me.Vulpesen said:
Alexandra Feanor
The Lady in Silver/Grey Historian
[member="Ella Nova"]
Never did I say the compounds shield is stronger or better than a planetary shield, I did say though that you had and still have a complete misunderstanding of the Battle of Scariff and continue to ignore that ramming a cruiser into the shield does little more than actually prove a weaker strike than if you has just actually bombarded the shield if we are going to use canon sources considering you can glaaa planets with a single star destroyer but crashing it into the surface won't cause nearly the same amount of destruction. I even told you the generator for Alex's shield was on the inside and that if you wanted, ella could have attacked that. I am more than happy to have you leave the thread at this point though and ask as the faction owner of the New Republic that all conversation stop as of this moment, and the thread be returned to it's original purpose of being a summit.
Furthermore, if it wasn't obvious, Ella, your character is shoot on sight status within the republic, and I will be approaching the other dignitaries at the meeting considering you tried to harm them too in this. Your actions caused this, no one elses and do not complain because of that fact. You put yourself in a room with a half dozen other people as strong as you, with no allies or support, you honestly should have your fleet blown to bits in seconds by the Republic Navy but I do not care.
You have done nothing but derail the thread icly and the OOC thread has devolved into people on both sides saying they are right or the other person is wrong.
If there is further discussion yo be held, take it to PM, and if you require more action than that, reports, but all talk involving the Ella Nova subject is to be ended and you are to leave Ella. Do not return to the thread on your character.
Never did I say the compounds shield is stronger or better than a planetary shield, I did say though that you had and still have a complete misunderstanding of the Battle of Scariff and continue to ignore that ramming a cruiser into the shield does little more than actually prove a weaker strike than if you has just actually bombarded the shield if we are going to use canon sources considering you can glaaa planets with a single star destroyer but crashing it into the surface won't cause nearly the same amount of destruction. I even told you the generator for Alex's shield was on the inside and that if you wanted, ella could have attacked that. I am more than happy to have you leave the thread at this point though and ask as the faction owner of the New Republic that all conversation stop as of this moment, and the thread be returned to it's original purpose of being a summit.
Furthermore, if it wasn't obvious, Ella, your character is shoot on sight status within the republic, and I will be approaching the other dignitaries at the meeting considering you tried to harm them too in this. Your actions caused this, no one elses and do not complain because of that fact. You put yourself in a room with a half dozen other people as strong as you, with no allies or support, you honestly should have your fleet blown to bits in seconds by the Republic Navy but I do not care.
You have done nothing but derail the thread icly and the OOC thread has devolved into people on both sides saying they are right or the other person is wrong.
If there is further discussion yo be held, take it to PM, and if you require more action than that, reports, but all talk involving the Ella Nova subject is to be ended and you are to leave Ella. Do not return to the thread on your character.
B E A C O N
Here's a tip:
- If one person you talk to is being a problem, then that person is a problem.
- If everyone around you is being a problem, then you are probably the problem.
Conceited
I don't know why it keeps being brought up throughout this entire debacle that it was my fault that my character got into the situation she found herself in the first place. That you took all my criticisms (and complaints) as me complaining about the fact that I was being attacked or that I found it unfair that all those strong characters were trying to kill mine. That isn't what I was complaining about. I enjoy it when I find myself against the odds pressed up against the wall and forced to fight several characters at once or finding myself fighting a character blatantly stronger than my own.
I loved the fact that the [member="Eye of Solomon"] set up my character during the summit because it was completely unexpected and well played. I loved the fact that roleplay was done leading up to that summit that allowed the events to unfold. I enjoyed the fact that instead of my character getting to do what she wanted everything got turned on her instead. These weren't things I was complaining about.
And this is what most of you like to do. Someone brings up a criticism against you that is valid and instead of answering that criticism to deflect it back onto the person criticizing you. I call out blatant metagaming and powergaming against my character so your response is to say, "No we're not you're just saying that because you're being a sore loser and it's your fault you're being attacked anyway." Yeah, no poodoo Sherlock. I know why my character was being attacked and yes I do think it's powergaming when someone tells me a 1500m cruiser wouldn't collapse a shield surrounding a compound.
[member="Alexandra Feanor"] you sent me a PM trying to dictate to me OOC what you wanted to happen IC to my character. You threatened that the consequences of what would happen would be the sum result of another "Weedkiller" debacle done against my character. The last time something like that happened a member of this board felt like he was forced to quit and did so because he was being bullied by other members. You've even blatantly come into this thread and threatened me again that your character is going to tell other characters to actively hunt down and destroy mine. This is metagaming. Your character should be telling others to hunt down and destroy mine because she tried to actively sabotage a diplomatic convention between the galaxies most powerful factions and not because you hold some grudge against me because I called you a bad roleplayer.
I loved the fact that the [member="Eye of Solomon"] set up my character during the summit because it was completely unexpected and well played. I loved the fact that roleplay was done leading up to that summit that allowed the events to unfold. I enjoyed the fact that instead of my character getting to do what she wanted everything got turned on her instead. These weren't things I was complaining about.
And this is what most of you like to do. Someone brings up a criticism against you that is valid and instead of answering that criticism to deflect it back onto the person criticizing you. I call out blatant metagaming and powergaming against my character so your response is to say, "No we're not you're just saying that because you're being a sore loser and it's your fault you're being attacked anyway." Yeah, no poodoo Sherlock. I know why my character was being attacked and yes I do think it's powergaming when someone tells me a 1500m cruiser wouldn't collapse a shield surrounding a compound.
[member="Alexandra Feanor"] you sent me a PM trying to dictate to me OOC what you wanted to happen IC to my character. You threatened that the consequences of what would happen would be the sum result of another "Weedkiller" debacle done against my character. The last time something like that happened a member of this board felt like he was forced to quit and did so because he was being bullied by other members. You've even blatantly come into this thread and threatened me again that your character is going to tell other characters to actively hunt down and destroy mine. This is metagaming. Your character should be telling others to hunt down and destroy mine because she tried to actively sabotage a diplomatic convention between the galaxies most powerful factions and not because you hold some grudge against me because I called you a bad roleplayer.
The Arch Wilder
Except... I addressed your concerns. Every single one. You told me to enlighten you. I did so EXACTLY how I promised. Your response.
"You aren't expecting me to read all that are you?"
[member="Ella Nova"]
Yes I did expect you to read it because you literally asked for it.
"Enlighten me." (Nova, post 54)
Works Cited
Nova, E. (2019, January 09). Summit of Governments OOC - Page 3 - Roleplay Discussion. Retrieved January 18, 2019, from http://starwarsrp.net/topic/139891-summit-of-governments-ooc/?p=1903523
Edit: Technically you didn't even ask. You flat out told me to.
"You aren't expecting me to read all that are you?"
[member="Ella Nova"]
Yes I did expect you to read it because you literally asked for it.
"Enlighten me." (Nova, post 54)
Works Cited
Nova, E. (2019, January 09). Summit of Governments OOC - Page 3 - Roleplay Discussion. Retrieved January 18, 2019, from http://starwarsrp.net/topic/139891-summit-of-governments-ooc/?p=1903523
Edit: Technically you didn't even ask. You flat out told me to.
Alexandra Feanor
The Lady in Silver/Grey Historian
[member="Ella Nova"]
I gave you options for how we could do this, and said if you did not wish any of those, you would gain the consequences of the last option, which is whats happening now.
I never held a gun to your head and forced you to pick one of those under threat of report or otherwise. And dear, I don't make threats, I make promises, which reminds me. You will have your bounty up by tomorrow.
Now, would you kindly, leave the thread and the OOC so people can do as they originally wanted and talk politics.
I gave you options for how we could do this, and said if you did not wish any of those, you would gain the consequences of the last option, which is whats happening now.
I never held a gun to your head and forced you to pick one of those under threat of report or otherwise. And dear, I don't make threats, I make promises, which reminds me. You will have your bounty up by tomorrow.
Now, would you kindly, leave the thread and the OOC so people can do as they originally wanted and talk politics.
Conceited
[member="Alexandra Feanor"]
No. You told me that if I didn't take options A, B or C you and several your friends would do another Operation: Weedkiller. But instead of it being done on Mark it would be done on me. And you would do it because I didn't take options A, B or C that you gave to me. This is metagaming because you are attempting to use OOC to influence IC. You make promises OOC. Everything you've said or threatened to me has been done OOC. It isn't roleplay. None of it is in character. I can't explain or make it clearer to you what metagaming is to you?
[member="Vulpesen"]
You sent me a long messy bad PM containing quotes from Star Wars that were ineligible to read coherently. It was like a five year old sent me it. I don't read messy incoherent ineligible bad posts. I have better things to do with my time. Sending me a wall of text and then proclaiming that I am wrong because of said wall of text isn't a refutation. Refutations are suppose to have substance.
Either way the entire Yslamiri thing was a non-argument because William shouldn't have randomly roleplayed taking them out in the summit in the first place. They didn't make sense. He randomly pulled them out of no-where. No prior roleplay was done before they were inserted into the summit to indicate that he had these creatures on his person. But then we were in a thread where you did the exact same thing. To negate my post you roleplayed having on your person clothing that negated the effects of the Force with no roleplay done prior.
When you entered the summit you did not state what you were wearing. When you proceeded to do more posts there were still no indications about what was on your character. It only became a factor when something bad was about to happen to him. It wasn't the type of smart writing that better roleplayers than either of us have done in the past where they did actually elude or indicate that they had something on their person that became important later. No. There was nothing clever on your part that accurately and cleverly hid the fact that you had this on you at the time. It only became a factor in that post. That is powergaming.
When I entered the thread I eluded that I was a Sith Lord using her powers to hide her Force-sensitivity. I eluded to the fact that I had a ship in orbit with a compliment of Sun Guards, starfighters, bombers and transports. I eluded to the fact that I was sneaking into the summit a Lightsaber blade under my sleeve. So when things went tits up on me each writer knew what my character had at her disposal to defend herself. That I wasn't pulling things out of thin air and that each of these things were in place beforehand to be used. Because this is what good roleplayers do with each other.
They don't randomly pull out armors that negate Force attacks when it's convenient without stating that it was in place beforehand. They don't tell people that they have a Force Nexus that makes their character the second coming of Abeloth without Codex or Factory entries put in place to legitimize that claim.
No. You told me that if I didn't take options A, B or C you and several your friends would do another Operation: Weedkiller. But instead of it being done on Mark it would be done on me. And you would do it because I didn't take options A, B or C that you gave to me. This is metagaming because you are attempting to use OOC to influence IC. You make promises OOC. Everything you've said or threatened to me has been done OOC. It isn't roleplay. None of it is in character. I can't explain or make it clearer to you what metagaming is to you?
[member="Vulpesen"]
You sent me a long messy bad PM containing quotes from Star Wars that were ineligible to read coherently. It was like a five year old sent me it. I don't read messy incoherent ineligible bad posts. I have better things to do with my time. Sending me a wall of text and then proclaiming that I am wrong because of said wall of text isn't a refutation. Refutations are suppose to have substance.
Either way the entire Yslamiri thing was a non-argument because William shouldn't have randomly roleplayed taking them out in the summit in the first place. They didn't make sense. He randomly pulled them out of no-where. No prior roleplay was done before they were inserted into the summit to indicate that he had these creatures on his person. But then we were in a thread where you did the exact same thing. To negate my post you roleplayed having on your person clothing that negated the effects of the Force with no roleplay done prior.
When you entered the summit you did not state what you were wearing. When you proceeded to do more posts there were still no indications about what was on your character. It only became a factor when something bad was about to happen to him. It wasn't the type of smart writing that better roleplayers than either of us have done in the past where they did actually elude or indicate that they had something on their person that became important later. No. There was nothing clever on your part that accurately and cleverly hid the fact that you had this on you at the time. It only became a factor in that post. That is powergaming.
When I entered the thread I eluded that I was a Sith Lord using her powers to hide her Force-sensitivity. I eluded to the fact that I had a ship in orbit with a compliment of Sun Guards, starfighters, bombers and transports. I eluded to the fact that I was sneaking into the summit a Lightsaber blade under my sleeve. So when things went tits up on me each writer knew what my character had at her disposal to defend herself. That I wasn't pulling things out of thin air and that each of these things were in place beforehand to be used. Because this is what good roleplayers do with each other.
They don't randomly pull out armors that negate Force attacks when it's convenient without stating that it was in place beforehand. They don't tell people that they have a Force Nexus that makes their character the second coming of Abeloth without Codex or Factory entries put in place to legitimize that claim.
The Arch Wilder
See... this is how I know you didn't read my pm, other than you telling me as much.
"Vulpesen's fingers crawled up the edge of his coat as he adjusted it, his back straightening and his shoulders giving a smal shake to give minute adjustments to the silk trappings." (Summit, p. 1)
Further details as to how much this alludes to the coat are provided in the breakdown I sent you.
By the way, I understand we haven't rp'd before (I would be disinclined to ever do so again), but those who have seen Vulpesen in any diplomatic, or even casual setting would likely confirm... He ALWAYS wears that coat. Thats why I designed it to be a coat.
[member="Ella Nova"]
I let other people read it when they asked... they read it just fine. You tried to bluff me. I called it. Now you're whining that I did so and thorwing more baseless accusations.
"Vulpesen's fingers crawled up the edge of his coat as he adjusted it, his back straightening and his shoulders giving a smal shake to give minute adjustments to the silk trappings." (Summit, p. 1)
Further details as to how much this alludes to the coat are provided in the breakdown I sent you.
By the way, I understand we haven't rp'd before (I would be disinclined to ever do so again), but those who have seen Vulpesen in any diplomatic, or even casual setting would likely confirm... He ALWAYS wears that coat. Thats why I designed it to be a coat.
[member="Ella Nova"]
I let other people read it when they asked... they read it just fine. You tried to bluff me. I called it. Now you're whining that I did so and thorwing more baseless accusations.
Conceited
[member="Vulpesen"]
No. You just told me why you did what you did.
This is still metagaming. We haven't been in the same thread together for years. What I am trying to tell you (I clearly have to spell it for you, you're clearly not very good at being able to tell between the lines) is that it would have absolutely fine if you roleplayed your coat negating my Force attack (as it was made to do) but you hadn't roleplayed it being in the thread up until that moment which makes you either incredibly naive or dishonest.
This quote (below) could have been any coat. A normal coat. Certainly not one that negated Force powers. You didn't correctly elude to what your character was wearing. It's bad form on your part.
"By the way, I understand we haven't rp'd before (I would be disinclined to ever do so again), but those who have seen Vulpesen in any diplomatic, or even casual setting would likely confirm... He ALWAYS wears that coat. Thats why I designed it to be a coat."
No. You just told me why you did what you did.
This is still metagaming. We haven't been in the same thread together for years. What I am trying to tell you (I clearly have to spell it for you, you're clearly not very good at being able to tell between the lines) is that it would have absolutely fine if you roleplayed your coat negating my Force attack (as it was made to do) but you hadn't roleplayed it being in the thread up until that moment which makes you either incredibly naive or dishonest.
This quote (below) could have been any coat. A normal coat. Certainly not one that negated Force powers. You didn't correctly elude to what your character was wearing. It's bad form on your part.
"By the way, I understand we haven't rp'd before (I would be disinclined to ever do so again), but those who have seen Vulpesen in any diplomatic, or even casual setting would likely confirm... He ALWAYS wears that coat. Thats why I designed it to be a coat."
In Umbris Potestas Est
So are we done with the thread? Did I miss anything? Because I had some ideas for what was next.
Alexandra Feanor
The Lady in Silver/Grey Historian
[member="Vanessa Vantai"]
We are moving on and from this point on ignoring Ella's place in the thread and her actions from this point on.
The Summit will continue as the Summit is was meant to be, and anything to do with Ella will be handled by the Bounty and other threads.
We are moving on and from this point on ignoring Ella's place in the thread and her actions from this point on.
The Summit will continue as the Summit is was meant to be, and anything to do with Ella will be handled by the Bounty and other threads.
A P E X
I have never consumed so much popcorn in my life.