The crippling bankruptcy on Chaos

[Shaddi]

Well, with that title you must be wondering what I'm referring to well let me explain. Right before the clone wars the republic spanned almost the entire known galaxy at that point and in just one year of the clone wars was subjected to near bankruptcy due to the dept that had begun to build up. To say that this improved over the next two years of the clone wars would be well... wrong.

So here is what I've begun to think, Chaos and it's factions have been at war for what now? 5 years IC? My question, thought is this. How crippling is each factions dept at this point? or have they done the same thing america has done? structured their economy and the like around war?

 

[Lord Ghoul]

First of all, if you're going to invoke the military industrial complex then you might want to give more complex setup than "America's Econ structured on war," because 1) it's a trigger for some people and 2) it's not entirely true. But that debate would go in the water cooler section so I'll leave it at that. If you wish to continue discussion on it shoot me a pm or we can start a new topic in the WC.

Second, not all of the factions have actually been at war in the traditional sense. For instance, SSC sends allies to invasions, but I doubt you could say they're running up a large tab on defense expenditure. The Republic, by contrast, has been at war for a long time and the effects are pretty clear. They just got through a dictatorial coup attempt, the Jedi that are still there are considerably fewer than back in its heyday all due to the grind of war IC, presumably.

There have also been a lot of ceasefires. In any case, expansionism allows for acquiring of valuable natural resources, which is what most wars are fought over. So the acquisition of those through war probably fuels the econ

 

[Cyrus Tregessar]

Economics of interstellar empires is a dark, terrifying path down which only the bravest dare travel. Best it be left alone, to fester and grow in its own horrific decadence.

Here, have another dose of space magic to tide you over. Ooh... lightsabers!

 

[Aithne Charr]

Hmm... *Shrugs and goes back to building up Kesh's own econ*

 

[Lord Ghoul]

SPICE MELANGE

 

[Siobhan Kerrigan]

[member="Mikhail Shorn"]


The spice must flow!

 

[Shaddi]

He who controls the spice! CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE!

[member="Siobhan Kerrigan"] [member="Mikhail Shorn"]

 

[James Justice]

Well, the way I figure, since almost everyone is either a criminal, soldier, space wuzzard, sith, bounty hunter, smuggler, spice dealer, slaver, business man or woman, and the number of characters that start out with the strength "I r rich" in their bio, there has to be somewhere magical that all this wealth stems from.

I would also like to draw your attention to star wars also lacks a crucial component: LEPRECHAUNS. That's damn right, Leprechauns.

What do we know about a galaxy far far away with lots of money and no leprechauns? Apparently between the era you speak of and our current one, the tiny redheads were collected in mass concentration camps. Here the poor fellows in green spent their days being forced to wear yellow jump suits, work their arses off, and ultimately fall dead in their tracks. The products they made were sold at cut-rate prices that were devastatingly cruel, but the greedy corporations over these camps made trillions of pennies. Tortured, battered, and worked to the bone, these poor bucket-sized fellas decided to parlay with the only thing they had. Yep, the Gold at the end of the rainbow. Upon giving up their ransom, do you think the Leprechauns were released?

Frack no. They were worked harder. Many died of diseases like scabes and scurvy, others of a broken heart. In the end, the first generation of concentration camp Lepercauns were all killed off. But the pint-sized pugilists could never be subdued so quickly. Their children, born into captivity, grew to full age and decided to do the only thing they could--lead a mass rebellion.

Armed with four leaf clovers, lucky charms, and Lincoln green they fought. It was a bloody massacre, exterminating the last of their race from the galaxy.

[member="Darth Erebos"]

 

[sabrina]

[member="Darth Erebos"] don't forget the war profiteers, they are in the money

 

[Darth Kentarch]

How crippling is each factions dept at this point?

I have actually officially stated in the RP, the GR's credit rating is of CCC classification.

 

[Lord Ghoul]

I have actually officially stated in the RP, the GR's credit rating is of CCC classification.

Yes but what we've done is taken those CCC and put them with some CC and B into a CDO and now it's been classified as AAA so we're good to go.

 

[Jsc]

Yes but what we've done is taken those CCC and put them with some CC and B into a CDO and now it's been classified as AAA so we're good to go.

 

[Darth Kentarch]

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[Cyrus Tregessar]

I mean shit, when you really think about it NOTHING IN STAR WARS MAKES ECONOMIC SENSE.

Star Destroyers are a mile long juggernaut yet are defeated consistently by a gaggle of fighters. Sure you may say, that's like a Nimitz-class carriers getting sunk by a gang of SU-30's or JH-7's.

But it ain't. It's like if you had come fucked up combination of an Ohio-class boomer, Nimitz-class, and two or three Arleigh Burkes getting sunk BY A GROUP OF FUCKING F-4's. THATS THE EQUIVALENT.

It's insane. The US uses carriers because they are an effective means of force projection in a world where no on can possibly challenge US naval supremacy and where we require the political capital that being judge and arbitrator of maritime law that having the biggest navy grants us.

Meanwhile the Empire has Star Destroyers in a galaxy they attempt to rule by fear. Boomers are kinda like that, except THEY STAY UNDERWATER so no one knows where they are.

You want to run an Empire by fear, you make little pocket stealthy star destroyers that can pop out at a moments notice anywhere and pop your planet before you can say 'fuck the police.' You sure as shit don't make a mile long combination carrier/battleship that is apparently vulnerable to a few fighters firing missiles up its nose, and you DEFINITELY don't make a planet-killing battlestation that the same pack of fighers can literally obliterate with a good guided weapon.

The trick of course would be making sure no one else cna get those pocket planet killing boomers otherwise you cease to have dominance nad you get MAD all over again.

 

[Dune Rhur]

I could see Erebos' point, I mean, you can't just continually pump out huge fleets without something to pay for it. It would be cool if the factions started bringing older ships back into service en mass to fill in gaps from battles and economic shortfalls. Whoever was talking about acquiring new worlds, that's a good point, except if the world had previously been under enemy control. You can assume they'd have been mining and so on.

[member="Cyrus Tregessar"]

I hear you about the Star Destroyer thing. I mean, yes, they're relatively immobile but they're also bristling with the firepower of several lesser ships. It would take a lot of star fighters to take one down and I'm talking a lot. Plus backup from various larger ships. But that doesn't mean that they're invincible, of course.

 

[Cyrus Tregessar]

[member="Dune Rhur"]

Rogue Squadron begs to differ about larger ship support. See also: Nova Flare maneuver.

Now granted, this may well be an issue with various EU authors simply under-estimating the size and scale of a MILE FUCKING LONG WARSHIP which I grant is pretty easy to do, but still.

 

[Dune Rhur]

[member="Cyrus Tregessar"]

Oh yes, the whole suspension of any semblance of reality thing. Yeah, that. Rogue Squadron had the ultimate defense: plot armour. That's why I didn't really like any of the X-wing series because they're taking non-space wuzzards and making them the focus. Yet they can do magical things like taking down huge capital ships, almost unassisted. Ungh. ONE KARKING MILE LONG.

 

[Cyrus Tregessar]

I absolutely LOVE the Rogue Squadron books (at least those written by Stackpole, who's a fantastic author in general) so I can't talk poodoo.

But yeah they eat up Star Destroyers like its nobodies business. I also blame the X-Wing games, fwiw.

 

[Jen]

I think that everyone in this thread is forgetting that Star Wars is taking place in AN ENTIRE GALAXY. The number of planets involved in the intergalactic community are "uncountable."

There are way over a 1000 billionaires just here on Earth. In Star Wars, there are according to wookiepedia, over one hundred quadrillion sentient beings. I don't want to wipe out a calculator and do the math right now. But if we take into account that there's around 7.4 billion people here on Earth. And we have well over 1000 billionaires. Then there must be a truck load of rich people throughout The Galaxy. Furthermore, considering the size of the economy and the kind of enormous businesses you could run. Mcdonalds would be so happy...

There would be some EXTREMELY rich people out there. This also gives a lot of perspective to how the military fleets of The Republic, The Empire, etc. can become as large as they are. There's no need to offer these guys handwavium or leprechauns. They're mad rich already.

 

[Fabula Caromed]

Especially since the Sith tend to be privately funded, and it seems every Sith Lord is a multi-trillionaire.