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Aeshi chimed in after Audren's question. In so doing she outed him as a Jedi but such was life. Anyone who didn't adapt on their feet wouldn't do well in today's galaxy, let alone with this group and their objectives. He disagreed with one of her statements: he thought they should be known for both what they did and what they didn't do. By and large though she had it right. On top of that she brought in - or represented, he wasn't quite sure - the secret support of the Suarbi System Republic and presumably the Rimward Trade League. Suarbi was an unknown but he was aware of the RTL...both small fish when compared to the major galactic powers but presumably bigger than the Sephi or Ceredir.
Ars didn't trust the Hutt Republic and thought weird things were going on in the Hapes cluster. Neither was much of a shock: one could only trust a Hutt to do what was best for the Hutt and Hapes had always been a bit different. Regardless though, neither were the large-spanning governments that it was presumed they would be rebelling against, and the Hapan government was squarely inside the oversight of the Silver Jedi Concord.
Seemingly in response to the question about crossing lines a new person joined them in the room, and at the table. The Jedi's first impression of him was that he was dangerous. He had a similar bearing as the Mandalorian supercommandos in the room and carried that without the full suit of armor they wore. In all honesty, his answer was precisely what Audren wasn't looking for. Black ops were a necessary part of war in the modern galaxy but even those teams needed to be held to a standard. A galaxy devolving into chaos was not a good thing.
Caedyn's response came next. It was effectively open agreement with what Audren and Aeshi had posed. No doubt the stances would be formally codified later - or as formally as this sort of group would ever get since they had no plans to become a galactic superpower. This was good enough for now.
During all the talking Audren got the distinct sense that the Mandos were also talking. Nothing could be heard outside their helmets but the sense of them through the Force was fairly clear. It wasn't clear what they were discussing but at some point one of them decided to immerse himself into the audible conversation. Shuklaar Kyrdol, representing Breshig War Forge, and he had some concerns. The first was whether the Rebellion would be going up against Breshig's clients. He named a Master Vaashe with that same condition. That drew the barest of frowns from the Sephi, not because the name dropping or implications that the tone carried but because he'd heard the name before and was trying to place it. He kept coming back to a Jedi in the SJO but hadn't seen or heard her in a while. Maybe not. The second condition was that he wasn't a charity. That was fine, neither was Ceredir; if all he offered for 'free' was training and this first weapons shipment that was acceptable; there was a reason bank accounts had been put in place. The third was a declaration that the group not be a GA or SJC puppet group. Again not much of an issue, though some of those present were part of those groups this meeting - at least from what he understood of it - was not under either of those auspices.
Aeshi responded quicker than the elfin Jedi did, and more eloquently than he would have. Again, he disagreed with little bits of what she said - rebellions were definitely won on military victories. That was in addition to the support and hearts-and-minds though. Her responses seemed to spark off the commando, who introduced himself as Commander Aien Mueller. It was now that the man chose to elaborate what he meant, and articulately at that. Effectively he was approaching the situation from a personal standpoint rather than an organizational one; he and his team could and would perform tasks that a Jedi couldn't or wouldn't. In short, they could be soldiers - presumably highly trained, extremely competent soldiers - as opposed to Jedi. Once the different perspectives became clear Audren found his concerns about the man assuaged.
The silver-haired Jedi spoke up then, and while he was on the right track Audren decided to say it more bluntly. They were adults, they could take it. Aeshi took the input that was given and explained herself as well.
"It seems there's an inherent difference in what's being discussed. Organizational limits, rules of war, as opposed to an individual's moral code. The roles of soldiers and peacekeepers can overlap but can also be starkly different. Spacing a hangar with civilians, orbital or sub-orbital bombardment of a populated city, or destruction through Walls of Light would be in violation. A soldier killing an enemy who had surrendered would be, a soldier performing an order of execution would not. The rules handed down that every member of the Rebellion will be expected to adhere to as a base minimum."
That brought up another question, one that would have to be answered before long. From what point of view were they fighting this? If the Jedi were directing the fight the fighting forces would most likely be hobbled by the directives they were given but if the soldiers were the ones directing the initiative Jedi could well be sent in over their heads. Almost ironically, it would be more cohesive for both parties if they were to fight without the moral boundaries of the Light side. The rules of war - the directives that rebel units would be given - might be easier set if such was even a concern.
And yet another concern: ff the soldiers were allowed to fight how they needed to and Jedi joined them it wouldn't be long before they were identified and traced back to whatever primary government they were involved in. The soldiers too, with Commander Mueller's involvement in the SJC. Target governments would never believe that the rebels weren't acting on the behalf of their parent organization, and it would be a propaganda nightmare on top of the internecine relations between major powers. Identities would need to be kept hidden or clearly disassociated from governments, even when they were killed. Easier for the any Mandos that joined up, with their reputation for individualism, as opposed to Jedi or ranking soldiers. Something to think on.
Caedyn Arenais
Aeshi Tillian
A
ARS VAMI
Kahlil Noble
Shuklaar Kyrdol
Mathieu Brion
Loreena Arenais-Valhoun
Aien Mueller
Aeshi chimed in after Audren's question. In so doing she outed him as a Jedi but such was life. Anyone who didn't adapt on their feet wouldn't do well in today's galaxy, let alone with this group and their objectives. He disagreed with one of her statements: he thought they should be known for both what they did and what they didn't do. By and large though she had it right. On top of that she brought in - or represented, he wasn't quite sure - the secret support of the Suarbi System Republic and presumably the Rimward Trade League. Suarbi was an unknown but he was aware of the RTL...both small fish when compared to the major galactic powers but presumably bigger than the Sephi or Ceredir.
Ars didn't trust the Hutt Republic and thought weird things were going on in the Hapes cluster. Neither was much of a shock: one could only trust a Hutt to do what was best for the Hutt and Hapes had always been a bit different. Regardless though, neither were the large-spanning governments that it was presumed they would be rebelling against, and the Hapan government was squarely inside the oversight of the Silver Jedi Concord.
Seemingly in response to the question about crossing lines a new person joined them in the room, and at the table. The Jedi's first impression of him was that he was dangerous. He had a similar bearing as the Mandalorian supercommandos in the room and carried that without the full suit of armor they wore. In all honesty, his answer was precisely what Audren wasn't looking for. Black ops were a necessary part of war in the modern galaxy but even those teams needed to be held to a standard. A galaxy devolving into chaos was not a good thing.
Caedyn's response came next. It was effectively open agreement with what Audren and Aeshi had posed. No doubt the stances would be formally codified later - or as formally as this sort of group would ever get since they had no plans to become a galactic superpower. This was good enough for now.
During all the talking Audren got the distinct sense that the Mandos were also talking. Nothing could be heard outside their helmets but the sense of them through the Force was fairly clear. It wasn't clear what they were discussing but at some point one of them decided to immerse himself into the audible conversation. Shuklaar Kyrdol, representing Breshig War Forge, and he had some concerns. The first was whether the Rebellion would be going up against Breshig's clients. He named a Master Vaashe with that same condition. That drew the barest of frowns from the Sephi, not because the name dropping or implications that the tone carried but because he'd heard the name before and was trying to place it. He kept coming back to a Jedi in the SJO but hadn't seen or heard her in a while. Maybe not. The second condition was that he wasn't a charity. That was fine, neither was Ceredir; if all he offered for 'free' was training and this first weapons shipment that was acceptable; there was a reason bank accounts had been put in place. The third was a declaration that the group not be a GA or SJC puppet group. Again not much of an issue, though some of those present were part of those groups this meeting - at least from what he understood of it - was not under either of those auspices.
Aeshi responded quicker than the elfin Jedi did, and more eloquently than he would have. Again, he disagreed with little bits of what she said - rebellions were definitely won on military victories. That was in addition to the support and hearts-and-minds though. Her responses seemed to spark off the commando, who introduced himself as Commander Aien Mueller. It was now that the man chose to elaborate what he meant, and articulately at that. Effectively he was approaching the situation from a personal standpoint rather than an organizational one; he and his team could and would perform tasks that a Jedi couldn't or wouldn't. In short, they could be soldiers - presumably highly trained, extremely competent soldiers - as opposed to Jedi. Once the different perspectives became clear Audren found his concerns about the man assuaged.
The silver-haired Jedi spoke up then, and while he was on the right track Audren decided to say it more bluntly. They were adults, they could take it. Aeshi took the input that was given and explained herself as well.
"It seems there's an inherent difference in what's being discussed. Organizational limits, rules of war, as opposed to an individual's moral code. The roles of soldiers and peacekeepers can overlap but can also be starkly different. Spacing a hangar with civilians, orbital or sub-orbital bombardment of a populated city, or destruction through Walls of Light would be in violation. A soldier killing an enemy who had surrendered would be, a soldier performing an order of execution would not. The rules handed down that every member of the Rebellion will be expected to adhere to as a base minimum."
That brought up another question, one that would have to be answered before long. From what point of view were they fighting this? If the Jedi were directing the fight the fighting forces would most likely be hobbled by the directives they were given but if the soldiers were the ones directing the initiative Jedi could well be sent in over their heads. Almost ironically, it would be more cohesive for both parties if they were to fight without the moral boundaries of the Light side. The rules of war - the directives that rebel units would be given - might be easier set if such was even a concern.
And yet another concern: ff the soldiers were allowed to fight how they needed to and Jedi joined them it wouldn't be long before they were identified and traced back to whatever primary government they were involved in. The soldiers too, with Commander Mueller's involvement in the SJC. Target governments would never believe that the rebels weren't acting on the behalf of their parent organization, and it would be a propaganda nightmare on top of the internecine relations between major powers. Identities would need to be kept hidden or clearly disassociated from governments, even when they were killed. Easier for the any Mandos that joined up, with their reputation for individualism, as opposed to Jedi or ranking soldiers. Something to think on.
Caedyn Arenais
Aeshi Tillian
A
ARS VAMI
Kahlil Noble
Shuklaar Kyrdol
Mathieu Brion
Loreena Arenais-Valhoun
Aien Mueller
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