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Thoughts about Tiers 1 - 3

Jsc

Disney's Princess
[member="Dair Cotarin"] I firmly believe that my every error and failing is an opportunity for other people to learn from me. I will always apologize for my lack of good judgement. However, I will never apologize for making a mistake.

Thanks for your support. :D
 
Jorus Merrill said:
Deregulation isn't the answer. If you can find a work/reward/recognition cycle for NFUs that works just as well as Padawan/Apprentice/Master, you can popularize NFUs and make FUs less important by comparison. I've made a LOT of tech to boost NFUs, so have a lot of other people, and all the tech in the world won't make people all that much more interested in playing an NFU. It's about the psychology of effort and reward. There is no systematized sense of achievement for playing an NFU of whatever stripe. And while some like the Adept/Elite three-tier ranks that the other place had -- and that might be cool and effective here -- most people over there still played FUs.

As someone who mainly plays a NFU with Orick here, I can tell you that it was frustrating at first to get no recognition in the same way that FU's got. I saw someone promoted to second in command of the all of the Republic forces in a quick 3 sentence post, and that was it. Where in the same week there was a vote for a master promotion that got almost 2 pages of conversation. Now not being a long time member it made me sad because it felt like NFU's were second class citizens on the board.

However after putting in some time to search the site and to develop Orick more thoroughly, I no longer think that. Setting up a process for NFU's that mirrors the FU process would only bog things down. It would create an elite system in place that people have called into question with this FU system.

Do NFU's count less on the site? No, I think that a smart writer can have a grand time on the site with a NFU. I for one am enjoying seeing Orick evolve as I write him.

Does him not having force powers hinder me in any way? Nope, I have had to be a bit more savvy in creating him, but that's mostly to make him relevant as a character on the site.

NFU's don't have carte blanche or freedom because they aren't FU's. So they aren't as powerful, but they do get the freedom to think outside of the box on how to best deal with a FU if they happen across one. There's plenty of examples of tech and creativity around the site to know that FU's can be beat.

Balance comes through the people on the end of the keyboard, not the characters they write or the way with which we judge their character's advancement.
 

Jsc

Disney's Princess
Darth Ferus said:
If you ever want to try to make a NFU grade system or the like, hit me up. I'd love to help.
I have no intention to even attempt such a monumental task. Nor would I consider my mind worthy of it. As far as writer's go? I'm just one of the most talkative. Not actually the most skilled. :p
 
[member="Orick T'ane"] - I've definitely seen promotions for NFUs bog down a system horribly, and your attitude is the one I try to take with my NFU characters. I just feel like there's the potential for a solution that incentivizes NFU RP for people who really dig incentives. Is that solution a mirror to FU promotions? Might work, might just be drama and restriction. But there are other ways to approach reward and recognition, and incentive really is crucial. People tend to play the game in front of them and aim for the achievements that are presented to them.
 
[member="Jorus Merrill"]

I think that recognition is a great idea, but I'm not sure how to go about it. A FU needs a promotion thread to get a master tag, but I can get a tag change to admiral right now and it's not even questioned. It would require a total revamp on how a NFU is even approached, given the broad spectrum of jobs that a NFU can have, (I know it's as many as a FU but they still have a system for advancement outside of the job they hold) it would require there to be some sort of schooling or professional training to be given. Diverse backgrounds make that hard to hammer out.

I honestly think it's possible, but much harder because of the lack of constraints in creating a NFU. I'm all for figuring it out though.
 

Miss Blonde

Trying to be straight in a crooked Galaxy
[member="Jay Scott Clark"]

I think gobs needed more dubstep and gifs. But i do agree with a lot that's been said with that and the comments. But seriously more dubstep
 
I've come from a site that had NFU ranks, or at least introduced them. They aren't pretty.
When Andrasta first came into being she was allowed to be what I wanted her to be, a pirate, smuggler with a ship and a bad attitude. She had no interest in systems or title. She moved for money and that was it. Let the Force Users run around for their precious little titles.

Then the site introduced NFU ranks, all the NFU's were suddenly limited to four archetypes, no longer could I just be a fringer; I had to be a pirate OR a smuggler. I could't be who I wanted to. I had to answer to a leader who governed the entire NFU system and eventually was told 'hey you can't do that kind of job because your not experienced enough'...This being said by a ten post character who had been granted 'rank' over a thousand post plus who was suddenly not important enough.

Eventually Andrasta did become their tier 5 character...(Yep 5 tiers)...but man did it suck the life out of the fun that she was.

Here is much better, I can be who I want to be and while she's taken a backseat to some of my other characters I love that Andrasta is back as who she should be.

Keep any form of NFU ranking within the factions where it can be controlled on a case by case basis, lets face it for the most part people play Sithies and Jedies anyway...Which I'll never understand...NFU's are the best!

Anyway...opinion over.
Jay...Love your opinion threads as ever!
 

Beowoof

Morality Policeman :)
I personally don't find the FU tier system to be what causes the sense of entitlement. I think it's just that 50% of the writers of the FUs already have this sense of entitlement.
 
[member="Jorus Merrill"] has summarised most of my points. I will chime in with my own experiences though.

I too started on a site with [member="Siobhan Kerrigan"] where character creation was open slather. Anyone could create a Master, and wouldn't you know it...most people did! Even now on SWRP we have people wanting to do that from the start.
Why? Everyone considers their character the most important special snowflake around when it comes to Jedi and Sith.

Whether you believe it or not, Star Wars rankings are canon. Padawan, Knight, Master. Sith we only see in small amounts in movie canon, but we can reasonable extrapolate a 2/3 tier structure from them as well.

The Force ranks are a reasonable and pretty fair way of doing things I feel. No solution proposed has offered any viable replacement.
 

Popo

I'm Sexy and I Know It
I had a nfu alt sink Ahto City. Another fought a Sith Lord in melee combat. Others crewed tanks and fought in invasions. Another climbed a Rakamat.

Never once bothered with figuring out a rank. Actions speak louder than bragging rights as far as I've seen.
 

Jsc

Disney's Princess
[member="Popo"] We know. A lot of us feel the same way. Me included. We get what you're saying. I think we really do. I simply had the fancy that by eliminating the FU Tier System that it would expedite that understanding. If Tier means nothing? We throw them away. Show everybody in this community that there really is nothing to fear but fear itself.

*sigh*

But I see now that nobody is afraid of abusive characters. We're all just tired that they will never go away.

Truthfully, I've never understood the Tier system before. Not before today, anyway. Even after years of writing under it's many interpretations across many different websites. I always found it an unnecessary form of control. I knew it never actually stopped abusive play. Heck, before this very moment, I thought it was actually designed to encouraged it. Guess now I know better.

I won't shy away from saying NFU's don't have a challenge either. But I also believe that it is that very challenge that truly exalts them. Perhaps one day I can think about the Tier system similar.

Great thoughts Popo. :)
 
I feel that the tier system for FUs isn't an issue, and it's actually quite a bit better than simply starting out (or advancing suddenly) to having everything at your fingertips whenever you want (at least from the psychology of the writer). What should be done, in the case of evening out NFUs with FUs and give NFUs more notoriety that gives them a sense of ability or skill that those who don't write NFUs or don't write with them on a personal basis (as in private threads, i.e; don't really know the other character from any point of view, IC or OOC) is that factions should be more promotional and restricting on their NFU ranks. As I've seen as of the last 6 months (using that as a sample size, I could go further back, but it wasn't until recent that I've noticed more NFU fleeters) it really only takes what amounts to a resume of past RP to earn an NFU rank, even if it is at the top of the tree, so to speak. While it will never be something controlled by admins, it should be something factions step up and take the initiative on because it is certainly in their best interests.

As for non-affiliated NFUs, you'll have to deal with things like unaffiliated FUs deal with when trying to write/train/etc for their promotions: Make yourself known and famous/infamous with good writing. You'll be even more 'dangerous' than those who run the fleets of major factions like the Republic and One Sith. Look at [member="Fatty"]'s character, whom has clashed with [member="Ashin Varanin"] - that is the same sort of struggle that you'll have to endure, which is pretty much the same struggle that a master-less and unaffiliated force user will have to face. It may seem daunting, but it's just writing. The more you write, relevantly at least, the more pronounced your character's actions are not only in how you should restrict yourself but in how other writers/characters perceive your actions.
 
I take a lot of things into consideration during a fight. My skills, personal experience, terrain, conditions, limitations of my character and my opponent then when all has been factored in I say what would make this fun for me and my opponent and just go with that.
 

Jsc

Disney's Princess
Yeah. Not gonna lie. At this point in the thread I think some people are just reading the title and posting whatever. Sooo... I'm just gonna go now. :p

Thanks to everyone who posted. :)
 

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