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America... we were warned and are not responding.
- Thread starter Lupe Baracka
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Hal Terrano
Prince of Porridge
L Admin
Perfect time to test the "ban member from this topic" feature.
The Wolf
Tefka said:
Ludolf Vaas
"Trust me"
I believe he's tipped his hand with regard to his political motives after admitting to being, er, one of that certain special group of people who are above all criticism, so to speak.Daella Apparine said:
There really isn't a way for me to respond to all the rambling hyperbole in Preliat's post, but I can counter his music with some good old healthy Martial Industrial!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cQq_a_SOKs
Alice Red
Imperialist
[member="Preliat Mantis"]
I'll go from the bottom up. If you are able to name severe issues with his social, economic, and international relationship policies, such as the return to isolationism or the near-total removal of government interference in the economy and daily life of it's citizens, then articulate a counter point on that, not regarding a mans association with certain individuals. If we were to do that, every anti-gun supporter could be affiliated with Senator Leland Yee and his dirty trafficking of guns to the Philippines. As I said before, pointing your finger at someone, screaming "Nazi, Nazi, He's a big meanie!" will not help get your point across to anybody except the most socially submissive people.
Regarding Golden Dawn, you confirmed what I said. Their linked to nazis, they have their leadership imprisoned, hell their even banned nowadays apparently, but their still going strong in the votes. Have you ever stopped to wonder just why? Because the alternatives are people from the left that are bending over backwards to sell their country to the EU and are letting the populace suffer for it. Instead of doing the right thing and trying to bring the country back on it's feet, they continue to sell it piece by piece, lining their own pockets with money, while trying to direct attention away from this by pointing at Golden Dawn and screaming "Nazi, Nazi, He's a big meanie!" I personally don't like them because their one of the most notable fascists parties in existence in the modern day, and they are corrupting the name further by acting out like thugs in the early days and even now somewhat. But it is what it is, it's giving people a hope that someone cares for them and they are taking it.
Regarding Britain and France, calling Nigel Farage and Le Pen Nazi punks just pretty much shows you are completely ignorant in politics, and anything right of complete Social Justice is a hate filled bigot nazi. That, or you suckle on the mass-medias teat without a care in the world. The most "hateful" thing either UKIP or FN proposed in their policies was removing the total open border policy instated by the EU, so only skilled immigrants can come to their country, and wrestling back political control over their own country from the EU. I have a hard time seeing the Nazi, or even fascists, influences there since immigration will still be possible if they were to win 100% of the votes.
Regarding Kevin B. MacDonald, I don't know much about the man so I can't comment much, but from what I'm reading, he is literally praising the Jews for their intermarriage between their ranks and their intelligence. As far as Holocaust Denial goes, it's been over half of a century, people who still bring up the issue, on either side of the debate, are either tools or idiots as far as I'm concerned.
Also, regarding Anti-Fa music, I'd much rather listen to Hanna Montana, but that's down to personal taste.
Also [member="Tefka"], I apologize for going on this rant with Preliat, I just enjoy debates too much.
I'll go from the bottom up. If you are able to name severe issues with his social, economic, and international relationship policies, such as the return to isolationism or the near-total removal of government interference in the economy and daily life of it's citizens, then articulate a counter point on that, not regarding a mans association with certain individuals. If we were to do that, every anti-gun supporter could be affiliated with Senator Leland Yee and his dirty trafficking of guns to the Philippines. As I said before, pointing your finger at someone, screaming "Nazi, Nazi, He's a big meanie!" will not help get your point across to anybody except the most socially submissive people.
Regarding Golden Dawn, you confirmed what I said. Their linked to nazis, they have their leadership imprisoned, hell their even banned nowadays apparently, but their still going strong in the votes. Have you ever stopped to wonder just why? Because the alternatives are people from the left that are bending over backwards to sell their country to the EU and are letting the populace suffer for it. Instead of doing the right thing and trying to bring the country back on it's feet, they continue to sell it piece by piece, lining their own pockets with money, while trying to direct attention away from this by pointing at Golden Dawn and screaming "Nazi, Nazi, He's a big meanie!" I personally don't like them because their one of the most notable fascists parties in existence in the modern day, and they are corrupting the name further by acting out like thugs in the early days and even now somewhat. But it is what it is, it's giving people a hope that someone cares for them and they are taking it.
Regarding Britain and France, calling Nigel Farage and Le Pen Nazi punks just pretty much shows you are completely ignorant in politics, and anything right of complete Social Justice is a hate filled bigot nazi. That, or you suckle on the mass-medias teat without a care in the world. The most "hateful" thing either UKIP or FN proposed in their policies was removing the total open border policy instated by the EU, so only skilled immigrants can come to their country, and wrestling back political control over their own country from the EU. I have a hard time seeing the Nazi, or even fascists, influences there since immigration will still be possible if they were to win 100% of the votes.
Regarding Kevin B. MacDonald, I don't know much about the man so I can't comment much, but from what I'm reading, he is literally praising the Jews for their intermarriage between their ranks and their intelligence. As far as Holocaust Denial goes, it's been over half of a century, people who still bring up the issue, on either side of the debate, are either tools or idiots as far as I'm concerned.
Also, regarding Anti-Fa music, I'd much rather listen to Hanna Montana, but that's down to personal taste.
Also [member="Tefka"], I apologize for going on this rant with Preliat, I just enjoy debates too much.
Hal Terrano
Prince of Porridge
Haha, UKIP.
What a joke party.
What a joke party.
Lupe Baracka
Libertarian Jedi
Glad this one way or another made you all think and debate.
Lot's of really smart people here.
Lot's of really smart people here.
Darth Imperatus
Character
How could this man not win the election? I've never seen an American presidential candidate be brave enough to say these things. America, WHY?
And as for Mr. Ron Paul, I've never heard of you before today, but I salute you.
And as for Mr. Ron Paul, I've never heard of you before today, but I salute you.
Ludolf Vaas
"Trust me"
Ah yes, you must be new here.Melakoth Tyrin said:
The last thing a democracy cares about is what the people actually want.
Avicus DuSang
The Patron Saint of Heartache
[member="Alice Red"], I think I love you. But, I'm more than likely just infatuated with your intelligence. ^_^
[member="Lupe Baracka"]. Oui. Je sais. We're the classy corner of the internet. Sure, there may be some /b/tards (Yo.) and wannabe /b/tards lurking here and there. But, science fiction and fantasy (which what Star Wars is) generally attracts people with imagination and intelligence. To put it bluntly, we do not "fuck around" as they say.
[member="Lupe Baracka"]. Oui. Je sais. We're the classy corner of the internet. Sure, there may be some /b/tards (Yo.) and wannabe /b/tards lurking here and there. But, science fiction and fantasy (which what Star Wars is) generally attracts people with imagination and intelligence. To put it bluntly, we do not "fuck around" as they say.
Valiens Nantaris
Head Admin
As Churchill said, democracy is the worst system of government, apart from all the other ones which have been tried.
Now, unless we want to go to a participatory democracy which isn’t practical or possible in a large country (people rarely bother voting for President, less all the votes that would come up there) there’s not a whole lot of choice.
Really the only way to break the deadlock in the United States is to have a 3rd Party shake things up enough that the existing two have to reform themselves. Whether that involves the Republicans or Democrats splitting in 2 or a genuine 3rd party, it’s something which probably needs to happen.
Now, unless we want to go to a participatory democracy which isn’t practical or possible in a large country (people rarely bother voting for President, less all the votes that would come up there) there’s not a whole lot of choice.
Really the only way to break the deadlock in the United States is to have a 3rd Party shake things up enough that the existing two have to reform themselves. Whether that involves the Republicans or Democrats splitting in 2 or a genuine 3rd party, it’s something which probably needs to happen.
Alice Red
Imperialist
[member="Valeria Aetani"]
The American voter base is too easily manipulated for that to happen any time soon. The major media outlets are controlled by both sides of the political game and they focus their resources as best as they can to foster an "Us vs Them" mentality in their voter base and the swingers, while either completely blanketing emerging rivals or pooling their resources together in an attempt to demonize them to hell and back, letting the herd mentality of the general populace do their work afterwards.
A split would be stomped by both parties, since it's easier to defeat an established enemy you spent centuries vilifying rather than an upstart and promising third party. The only ways the political deadlock in America will be destroyed would either be a complete economic collapse of the Dollar, and not just any kind of recension, America going into an open war with an actual major international player, even if a isolated war over a region, and losing it to spark outrage at the goverment, or pray something or another will destroy electricity for about twenty years, removing a large portion of media influence from the populace and forcing them to actually investigate and study the candidates they will support.
None of those will happen any time soon from the looks of it tho', unless the EU keeps trying to pressure Russia into acting in Ukraine.
The American voter base is too easily manipulated for that to happen any time soon. The major media outlets are controlled by both sides of the political game and they focus their resources as best as they can to foster an "Us vs Them" mentality in their voter base and the swingers, while either completely blanketing emerging rivals or pooling their resources together in an attempt to demonize them to hell and back, letting the herd mentality of the general populace do their work afterwards.
A split would be stomped by both parties, since it's easier to defeat an established enemy you spent centuries vilifying rather than an upstart and promising third party. The only ways the political deadlock in America will be destroyed would either be a complete economic collapse of the Dollar, and not just any kind of recension, America going into an open war with an actual major international player, even if a isolated war over a region, and losing it to spark outrage at the goverment, or pray something or another will destroy electricity for about twenty years, removing a large portion of media influence from the populace and forcing them to actually investigate and study the candidates they will support.
None of those will happen any time soon from the looks of it tho', unless the EU keeps trying to pressure Russia into acting in Ukraine.
Avicus DuSang
The Patron Saint of Heartache
I almost thought the Tea Party was going to split for a moment.
Pretty solid platform.
"Let's regress America to the 50's. A time it was great to be a heterosexual, white man. And that's it."
Pretty solid platform.
"Let's regress America to the 50's. A time it was great to be a heterosexual, white man. And that's it."
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Character
You know what else has pressing political issues?
Snar Wars, Episodes 1-3. Buy it. Please. I'm hungry.
Snar Wars, Episodes 1-3. Buy it. Please. I'm hungry.
Valiens Nantaris
Head Admin
[member="Alice Red"]
The problem is that less than 60% of the voters actually vote.
If they had to vote like in this country it would mean that the parties would have to cater for everyone more than just interest groups.
The problem is that less than 60% of the voters actually vote.
If they had to vote like in this country it would mean that the parties would have to cater for everyone more than just interest groups.
Maya Carrick
Shadow of Hope
Sad thing is most of those voters that don't vote has gotten feed up with how the system is running. As it is also with the rural area having less of the voters also, then the bigger city which have more of the liberals.
There is a lot different view of life from not only the rural areas but also from different parts of the country. What is tolerated in one part my not be in another part?
There is a lot different view of life from not only the rural areas but also from different parts of the country. What is tolerated in one part my not be in another part?
Ludolf Vaas
"Trust me"
Churchill was wrong. Democracy is the worst form of government, period. It represents at best an unruly mobocracy, and at worst a system that is entirely controlled by wealth that merely gives people the comfortable illusion that they have power.
The only solution is to impose a natural hierarchy.
The only solution is to impose a natural hierarchy.