Company tier up tweaks

[Cira]

Streamlining Companies:[

• Removing development thread requirements from general company rules.
• Streamlining and revamping Tier Up templates by removing "Misc threads and Major projects development requirements," and instead replace with an "Company Expansion system" that provides similar missions much like those found in Restricted Materials. ( this includes OR clauses)

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Tier Upgrade Requirements

Use the following template for your Tier Up requests. Simply select the Tier Up template in the spoiler below for the level you desire and fill in the requirements therein. As always, these numbers are flexible, they are just a general guideline.

Passive Company Expansion Objectives

• Attend or host an economic summit
• Defend your company, another company, or a faction from a hostile attack
• Invest in another company or faction
• Train your company's personnel
• Draw up or steal schematics for a new product
• Draw up deals with another corporation or faction
• Make three mass-produced products in the Factory. (For Tier 2+ and equals to one active company expansion
• Make three company operations specific submissions in the Codex. (For Tier 2+ and equals to one active company expansion)

Active Company Expansion Objectives

• Establish another operation for your company
• Establish a sphere of influence on a planet or in a sector
• Establish or help establish a colony
• Establish or help establish a new location
• Participate in a planet's colonization
• Recruit personnel into your company
• Secure investors for your company
• Train another company or faction's personnel

Tier I to Tier II

• Sign a contract with at least one faction or organization (May be NPC).
• Make at least three limited-production products in the Factory or three company operations specific submissions in the Codex.
• Display growth through one passive expansion of your company.
• Display growth through one active expansion of your company.

Tier II to Tier III

• Sign a contract with two other different factions or organizations. (May be NPC).
• Display growth through two passive expansions of your company.
• Display growth through one active expansion of your company.

Tier III to Tier IV

• Sign a contract with three player-run organizations, one of which must be a major faction.
• Display growth through two passive expansions of your company.
• Display growth through two active expansion of your company.
• Successfully complete a project of sizable proportions.

Tier IV to Tier V

• Sign a contract with two other different major factions OR Tier 5+ companies.
• Display growth through two passive expansions of your company.
• Display growth through three active expansions of your company.
• Successfully complete a project of major proportions.
• Obtain the permanent sponsorship of a major faction OR a substantial expansion in another way, OR the sponsorship of a different Tier 6 Company that is not a previous contract.
  ​​Sponsorship is essentially when a sufficiently large major faction or a Tier 6 Company decides to back your company's endeavors specifically. This can either be by them giving you a large, direct annual subsidy, signing a long-term contract, and other things that would tie the government of that faction or that conglomerate and your company close together. This may be supplemented by a substantial expansion in another way,

Tier V to Tier VI

• Sign a contract with another two different major factions OR Tier 5+ companies.
• Display growth through three passive expansions of your company.
• Display growth through three active expansions of your company.
• Successfully complete a project of immense proportions.
• Obtain the permanent sponsorship of a different major faction OR a substantial expansion in another way, OR the sponsorship of a different Tier 6 Company that is not a previous contract.

 

[Jairus Starvald]

My main issue with this is that this basically adds more work instead of less work. Which, I think, goes against the point of this entire Factory upheaval?

Right now you can do literally anything as a misc thread as long as it features your company in some prominent way. Expansion of locations, development of items/locations, contracts, business meetings... the sky is literally the limit here. But with this proposal you basically shoe-horn people into doing specific actions, which will be situational and not always available. The task of tier-upping becomes more daunting, instead of less. You box people in with restrictions, instead of letting themselves decide what they want to do with their company tier-up to help grow their company.

This way we aren't making the tier system less tedious and less work, we are just taking their freedom away and forcing them to do one specific thing for each round.

I don't think this will help make the company game more accessible. I actually think it might make it even more intimidating than before.

Full disclosure: I feel very strongly about this, because the company system has been one of my favorite ways to write on Chaos and looking at this now I legitimately got the feeling that it would hamper my process more instead of easing it.

[member="Cira"]

 

[Jairus Starvald]

Proposal

I am typing this out mostly because I need to go to my lectures in a few and don't want to forget this.

If the point of this exercise is to draw in more people to start using the company system and making the system less of a burden on our writers this is what we could do that is an easy fix.

• Reduce the general development necessary for the 'sizeable/major/immense'-project by 50%. Instead of 100, 200, 300, make it [50, 100 and 150] or [50, 100 and 200].
• Add an alternative option to a major faction sponsorship with a T5+ corporate sponsorship. This way company writers are not at the mercy of frequently unwilling major factions and make it easier for specific-aligned companies to keep doing their thing. Instead of having to compromise just to be able to move through the tiers.
• Maybe remove one misc thread from the requirements in each tier-up. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 instead of 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 - though I am not that wild about this one, because misc threads are literally not the issue here.

 

[Ellie Mors]

[member="Tai Fa"]
Miscellaneous threads are going away, that is one of the stipulations of this change.

 

[Jairus Starvald]

[member="Braith Achlys"] [member="Cira"]

Okay, but that literally does not fix the problems the users are facing. I have been doing the company stuff for a long time and talked with a lot of people, from newbies to other writers like me... misc threads have never been the issue of the tier up system.

So, sure, we can replace it with fixed missions, but it will just turn into a silly time sink and make it even less likely regular people will tier their company up.

 

[Raziel]

I would remove the terminology "in a thread"

Set goals for expansion and let them provide evidence however they want.

• Restricted Missions
• Company Expansion Objectives

That's the terminology I like.

I can see Tai's issue with removing the natural growth of a company. I think we'll need to put some "OR"s in and stay fairly high level

At the moment I'm struggling to come up with more as most of my first thoughts are in the opening post.

[member="Tai Fa"]

How would you describe most of the misc threads you do for expansion as? Can you think of some overarching descriptions that could become challenges? Mostly they're building new business links with customers and suppliers aren't they?

 

[Cira]

I can remove the post limits to the major project. That's fine and allow it to be a general sort of project.

Rhys has a good idea of it. My intention is to make a massive list of examples that people may pick and choose from.

So please, any ideas on what the bulk of your misc threads are as a suggestion so that we may add it.

 

[Ellie Mors]

I have an idea on how this can be worded/formatted, I'll post it as soon as I'm at a pc

 

[Ellie Mors]

Tier Upgrade Requirements

Use the following template for your Tier Up requests. Simply select the Tier Up template in the spoiler below for the level you desire and fill in the requirements therein. As always, these numbers are flexible, they are just a general guideline.

Tier I to Tier II

• Sign a contract with at least one faction or organization (May be NPC).
• Make at least three minor-production products.
• Complete two miscellaneous threads.
• Display growth through passive expansion of your company.
  ​Create a new location submission for headquarters or branches; OR in a public auction sell shares of your company stock; OR Contact a media organization to advertise your company's services or products

[*]​Display growth through active expansion of your company.

• ​Buyout, merge with, or absorb another company; OR assist in a dominion, invasion, rebellion, or skirmish where your company's services or products are utilized to fulfill an objective; OR create a skirmish against another company to commit corporate sabotage

You can then add more of these passive or active growth missions/expansion quests/whatever you want to call them per tier, and still gives the same kind of direction/guidance while also allowing companies to still show natural growth.

Obviously we could even go as far as to create Passive or Active expansion objective options (in a table or something) as a pool of choices and simply list off tier promotions like so:

Tier Upgrade Requirements

Use the following template for your Tier Up requests. Simply select the Tier Up template in the spoiler below for the level you desire and fill in the requirements therein. As always, these numbers are flexible, they are just a general guideline.

Passive Company Expansion Objectives:

• Create a new location submission for headquarters or a branch of your company
• In a public auction sell shares of your company stock
• Contact a media organization to advertise the services or products of your company

Active Company Expansion Objectives:

• Buyout, merge with, or absorb another company
• Assist in a dominion, rebellion, invasion, or skirmish where your company's services or products are utilized to fulfill an objective
• Create a skirmish against another company to commit corporate sabotage

Tier I to Tier II

• Sign a contract with at least one faction or organization (May be NPC).
• Make at least three minor-production products.
• Complete two miscellaneous threads.
• Display growth through passive expansion of your company.
• ​Display growth through active expansion of your company.​

Or some other variation of the above two.

 

[Ellie Mors]

Keep in mind I only put 3 examples of each because I'm only giving an example of the formatting I'd use.

 

[Julius Sedaire]

I guess I don't see the point thus far? Whereas before you could have 'two miscellaneous threads' which could mean anything, be left up to the judges, and allowed utter freedom, now we have a static list? Or am I misunderstanding? Before I delve into trying to help expand or critique I want to make sure I understand this fully. My heads been buried in pharmacology all day.

 

[Ellie Mors]

I guess I don't see the point thus far? Whereas before you could have 'two miscellaneous threads' which could mean anything, be left up to the judges, and allowed utter freedom, now we have a static list? Or am I misunderstanding? Before I delve into trying to help expand or critique I want to make sure I understand this fully. My heads been buried in pharmacology all day.

Part of removing development threads, as directed from the top of staff down, was that miscellaneous threads have to go. We are, basically, asking for any kind of random RP as long as it includes the company (currently) with no clear direction of what we want. It's freedom of choice for the writer, yes, but it's what we're asking for and why that is the problem.

More or less, we're asking for someone to just churn out RP and we don't care what it is or what's inside of it (hence miscellaneous). It's exactly the same as judging a submission and asking someone to provide a development thread because you're (and I don't literally mean you) not comfortable with the submission and need the development to assure you that they have "earned" it or provided development to warrant whatever it is they're submitting. A miscellaneous thread is to show random, miscellaneous, examples of the company being used in role-play, and doesn't even need to show growth or expansion of the company. It's analogous to asking for random development threads.

The idea behind what we're doing is to still have some form of structured examples of growth from the company's writers while also trying to give them as much freedom as we can, within the constraints of asking for missions/objectives/etc, so as to not turn company tier growth into a Restricted Material-esque list of objectives for each tier promotion.

 

[Ellie Mors]

Tier Upgrade Requirements

Use the following template for your Tier Up requests. Simply select the Tier Up template in the spoiler below for the level you desire and fill in the requirements therein. As always, these numbers are flexible, they are just a general guideline.

Passive Company Expansion Objectives:

• Create a new location submission for headquarters or a branch of your company
• In a public auction sell shares of your company stock
• Contact a media organization to advertise the services or products of your company

Active Company Expansion Objectives:

• Buyout, merge with, or absorb another company
• Assist in a dominion, rebellion, invasion, or skirmish where your company's services or products are utilized to fulfill an objective
• Create a skirmish against another company to commit corporate sabotage

Tier I to Tier II

• Sign a contract with at least one faction or organization (May be NPC).
• Make at least three minor-production products.
• Complete two miscellaneous threads.
• Display growth through one passive expansion of your company.
• Display growth through one active expansion of your company.

Tier II to Tier III

• Sign a contract with two more factions or organizations. (May be NPC).
• Make an additional three mass-production products.
• Complete three miscellaneous threads.
• Display growth through two passive expansions of your company.
• Display growth through one active expansion of your company.

Tier III to Tier IV

• Sign a contract with three player-run organizations, one of which must be a major faction OR a Tier V+ company.
• Make an additional three mass-produced products..
• Complete four miscellaneous threads.
• Display growth through two passive expansions of your company.
• Display growth through two active expansions of your company.
• Successfully complete a project of sizable proportions.

Tier IV to Tier V

• Sign a contract with two more major factions OR Tier V+ companies.
• Make an additional three mass-produced products.
• Complete five miscellaneous threads.
• Display growth through two passive expansions of your company.
• Display growth through three active expansions of your company.
• Successfully complete a project of major proportions.
• Obtain the sponsorship of a major faction or a substantial expansion in another way
  Sponsorship is essentially when a sufficiently large major faction decides to back your company's endeavors specifically. This can either be by them giving you a large, direct annual subsidy, signing a long-term contract, and other things that would tie the government of that faction and your company close together. This may be supplemented by conducting a major expansion of business in another way. (Dominions and Invasions do not qualify.)

Tier V to Tier VI

• Sign a contract with two more major factions OR Tier V+ companies.
• Make an additional four mass-produced products.
• Complete six miscellaneous threads.
• Display growth through three passive expansions of your company.
• Display growth through three active expansions of your company.
• Successfully complete a project of immense proportions.
• Obtain the permanent sponsorship of another major faction or a substantial expansion in another way.

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[member="Cira"]
All use of development thread and post counts are removed, and I have added the formatting of expansion objectives (or whatever you want to call it), in the example above. Feel free to utilize and add more expansion objectives as necessary.

 

[Cira]

Good ideas. I'll be lowering tier production for the lower submission requirements in the lower tiers too


Oh and adding workships.

 

[Cira]

Updated a few things

 

[Cira]

Active Company Expansion Objectives: i need more of these!

 

[Cira]

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[Jairus Starvald]

[member="Cira"]

As promised:

• Establish another operation for your company
• Establish a sphere of influence on a planet or in a sector
• Establish or help establish a colony
• Establish or help establish a new location

• Draw up or steal schematics for a new product
• Draw up deals with another corporation or faction

• Recruit personnel into your company
• Train your company's personnel
• Train another company or faction's personnel

• Attend or host an economic summit
• Defend your company, another company, or a faction from a hostile attack
• Invest in another company or faction
• Participate in a planet's colonization
• Secure investors for your company

 

[Cira]

Okay, I think we are done with companies.

 

[Jairus Starvald]

[member="Cira"]

< A C T I V E >
Establish another operation for your company
Establish a sphere of influence on a planet or in a sector
Establish or help establish a colony
Establish or help establish a new location

Participate in a planet's colonization
Recruit personnel into your company

Secure investors for your company
Train another company or faction's personnel




< P A S S I V E >

Attend or host an economic summit
Defend your company, another company, or a faction from a hostile attack
Invest in another company or faction
Train your company's personnel

Draw up or steal schematics for a new product
Draw up deals with another corporation or faction