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Dark Jedi vs Sith

sabrina

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sabrina
As someone who has own take on it @Xi'Aberron Qun, I am going have to agree with [member="Valiens Nantaris"] he says

Valiens Nantaris said:
It's something which cannot be resolved. You clearly believe something different from most others here and are sticking by it, same for them.

Discussion is fine, but hold no illusions that this will be the Council of Nicea which resolves all.
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As it will never be resolved, take it from someone who likes playing a lighter version of sith. Who see jedi as evil, and see genocide as act of jedi and dark jedi. Not true sith, as sith do not use proven failed tactics.
 

Jor Kvall

Ain't found a way to kill me yet
Jor Kvall
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[member="Valiens Nantaris"]

From Wookiepedia:



Dark Jedi, also known as "Fallen" Jedi, were Force-sensitives, frequently former Jedi, who chose to deny the light side of the Force or follow the dark side. Although "Dark Jedi" originally referred to a Jedi who had fallen to the dark side, it could also refer to uninitiated Force-sensitives who received no Jedi training but began their careers under another Dark Jedi. Others were simply dark-side users who did not follow the teachings of the Sith or other dark side organizations. In some cases, Dark Jedi also included "artificial" Force-sensitives who served the dark side, such as the Reborn and the Shadowtroopers. The first Dark Jedi was believed to be Xendor, who was the first member of the Jedi Order to fall. Other forerunners included Ajunta Pall and others who, after the Hundred-Year Darkness, were exiled from Galactic Republic space and became the ancient progenitors of the Sith Lords. Ultimately, the title became something of a blanket term for darksiders who could not be classified as belonging to any specific dark side organization.
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Don't see how there could be any divergence of opinion in this. If you're trained in the Dark Side but you're not part of any particular cult, you can reasonably call yourself a Dark Jedi. It's not that complicated.
 

Eskel Tyvia

The Learner
Eskel Tyvia
Way I look at it. Darth Vader is sith, that guy jerek from the Jedi Knight games is dark Jedi.
Sith are the real gangsters, the dark Jedi are the wannabe trousers hanging at their thighs b*tches.
 
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Ellie Mors

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Ellie Mors
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Sten Kvall said:
[member="Valiens Nantaris"]

From Wookiepedia:




Don't see how there could be any divergence of opinion in this. If you're trained in the Dark Side but you're not part of any particular cult, you can reasonably call yourself a Dark Jedi. It's not that complicated.
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This is literally what I stated in the other discussion, as did multiple others. Regardless of "fact" or opinion, the truth of the matter is not everyone is going to agree with this, or any other idea. It is best to keep everyone's opinion the way it is instead of trying to argue this into the sand for the upteenth time. Since I've joined last september I've seen pretty much this same topic discussed at least once a month.
 

Jsc

Disney's Princess
Jsc
[member="Silara Kuhn"] It's going to happen. And it's probably going to happen again. Nobody likes their 'special' character and his 'special' identifiers to be determined by anybody but themselves. Everybody wants to define 'Dark Jedi' for themselves. Everybody wants to define their own 'Dark Jedi Code' and have it mean just as much, (or more), than everybody else's 'Dark Jedi Code'. Everybody wants to be Batman.

This topic will never go away just like children will never stop having to learn for themselves. The young have to find their answers just like the veterans did. We old people just have to keep shrugging it off and telling them to get off our lawns.

The more things change... :D
 

Xi'Aberron Qun

Michael Aberron
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But... The way I see it is that everybody can have their own 'Dark Jedi Code' and that all their characters can be their own version of a Star Wars Batman, but only IC.

It doesn't matter what your own character describes him/herself as, because that is your own character, but there needs to be an OOC constant that everyone can refer to and not have any misunderstandings.

Another thing about Dark Jedi being a blanket term kinda means that anyone can do anything with the term as long as you realise a few key facts: No Dark Jedi is the same unless they were taught by the exact same people/group of people, which leads to most Dark Jedi being different, or getting your own 'Customised Version' of Dark Jedi. All Dark Jedi use only the Dark Side of the Force and reject the light. If you don't, then you are Grey. Mabye a darker shade of Grey, but still Grey.

Dark Jedi came before Sith. This should be obvious: it is a fact that Dark Side users were around before the Sith were.

If you refer to someone as a Sith, you shouldn't refer to them as a Dark Jedi, although techincally it is right, but some people might take offense, and vice versa: if someone is a Dark Jedi you can't refer to them as Sith because they are not.

Now, I honestly don't think that any of this matters IC, because your characters can do whatever they like/think whatever they like, but there should be some consistency OOC.

All of the above was my own opinion which makes the most sense to me, and is based off of facts in the canon-verse.
 

Arumi Zy

Jekyll
Arumi Zy
They way i have always seen it the Jedi/Sith are both "Religious Orders" each has their own philosophies and codes and culture put to it. A force user weather a gray or dark or what ever you want to call it is someone who exists outside of those two "Religions".
 

Jor Kvall

Ain't found a way to kill me yet
Jor Kvall
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Valiens Nantaris said:
Considering that Legends canon (and even movie canon) is often overruled here, it's not our job to enforce our opinion on members.
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Silara Kuhn said:
Regardless of "fact" or opinion, the truth of the matter is not everyone is going to agree with this, or any other idea.
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Movies don't matter, everyone's a special snowflake. Got it.
 
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Vulpesen

The Arch Wilder
Vulpesen
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Note: i didn't read through this entire thread yet because I've got other stuff to do.

All squares are rectangles not all rectangles are squares.

All sith are dark jedi, not all dark jedi are sith. Sith is a religious organization. You join and you are a member and thus you are sith. If you do not join, you are only a dark jedi. Ventress was a dark jedi but not a sith as sideous would not accept her as a sith. This is also seen int he KOTOR era as you fight dark jedi who are not always sith. That is because they were not accepted as sith.


Your definition of dark jedi is up to you. But canon often states clearly the difference between sith and dark jedi.
 

sabrina

Well-Known Member
sabrina
[member=Xi'Aberron Qun]

okay this my take on it, this will not be held as gospel. Nor do I expect anyone to play like this. This is just my opinion, and nothing more

Jedi and dark jedi
both are trained jedi
dark jedi have succumbed to their emotions like a drug, due to the time in denial

Sith are different
they grew up feeling and using their emotions, so do not succumb to excesse of it.
but they do lust for power
thus I usually see them as a roman style government, and they are the nobility.
the rich do kill, to gain more power. Though they don't bother the plebs with it, as they not worth the hassle.


Also the reason I do not believe any true sith would commit genocide in this game, as every faction who has ever done it, loose the war in the end.
 
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