GA & One Sith

[Eugen Aker]

[member="Ryan Korr"] I keep saying that the GR is more than willing to punish these people. However, if the writer behind the characters won't comply, there's nothing we can do but just denounce them ICily. In the story, the administration has only just taken power after the events on Roche. So you get a Chancellor and a Senate checking in with Mandalorians and Jedi screaming in their faces about things we're still investigating. I actually invited the Jedi to show up to one hearing, but no one came to give them the opportunity to introduce themselves to the new Senate, but no one came.

Funny thing about Ticon, she actually just approached me today about using her clone troopers again when I was trying to do a check on GR military personnel. I don't agree with the use of conscript clone soldiers, and I will see to it that the GR ends any business arrangements with companies that make them. Can you enlighten me on the Ticon situation. If you story checks out, then I see a possibility for a joint sting operation.

If you want the truth, then militaries in the real world do make those kinds of calculations when mission planning. See Allied bombing in WW2. Then sometimes you just have to make those calls in the moment, weighing the needs of the few against everyone else. In this case, it was the potential loss of a few civilians in order to protect millions of lives against the violence of Mandalorian incursion.

I understand that we have our differences, but thank you for giving me a mature response. I hope that the GR and TJO can make amends.

[member="Aela Talith"] Someone gets it. Hadrix isn't a saint, and certainly made a mess of things at Roche running her mouth. However, Mandalorians to paint themselves as liberators or something is ludicrous. If Roche was Crimea, then the Mandalorians would be the Russians. Play for play, this was like something out of the Ukranian/Russian war. Now they're in Donetsk (Alderaan) as a now hostile force discussing succession.

 

[Ayden Cater]

Ladies and gentlemen, we did a good job at starting this conversation off without adding undue animosity or tension. Let's try to keep it that way.

As far as GA's apparent support of the Republic at Roche; I'll be honest, it didn't make a whole lot of sense in context of the timeline there. The invasion happened perhaps a day after Lasedri started attacking corporate assets, with little to no warning from the Mandalorians that it would happen. Could a pilot take action and fly off with their starfighter? Sure. But to form a task force out of a number of capital ships, that takes time and planning and I don't necessarily know if there would have been enough of the former to justify taking such an action as arriving at Roche in time to be of assistance.

But admittedly, I'm a bit of a nitpicker there and pretty squarely in the minority. People are certainly free to act in whichever manner they believe best for their character. Gods know that the timeline on SWRP is confusing as hell by now.

Only other thing; the problem with all those civilian deaths, aside from the fact that they were unnecessary and one hundred percent preventable, is that they reinforce this narrative about the Republic. Almost every invasion I can think of, the Republic's forces make a huge debacle and kill huge swaths of the civilian population in the name of finding victory. That sets a pretty poor public image, and if there wasn't any hesitation to support the Republic before, there is now. No faction wants to be reus per congressus, so any time an act like this happens there is a period of cool relations (and not the good kind) where it takes more effort to secure aid.

And I do feel this should be stressed: a lot of these feelings are ICly. Yes there is some OOC animosity between some folks, but on the whole things are fine OOCly.

 

[Tydeus of Tion]

Ticon led the clone troopers and tried to wipe out the Jedi on Chazwa.

I checked out the Republic forum, sine I haven't looked at it in a while. The first thing I see? The new Supreme Chancellor is a known pirate. However good his intentions might be that's yet another PR issue. I just don't see the Republic coming back from this, nor wanting it to.

Everything dies. Even the stars go out. Sith Empire had its time. Lords of the Fringe had theirs. Omega Protectorate too. OOC, I believe the Republic needs to give way for new story lines and new factions and accept that it's struck an iceberg.

I'm pushing ahead with the merger. And by sunday or monday the vote will end and we'll see what's happening. Either way, I don't plan on being GM into next week.

 

[Eugen Aker]

[member="Ayden Cater"] I agree, the GR forces need to act more competently. This sloppiness does hurt our image, which is why I want Hadrix canned as a commander. That's why I'm going to learn how to fleet and pvp properly on here and try to take the lead on military operations. If the GA would be open to training up the GR forces to improve their performance, then I would be down for that.

[member="Ryan Korr"] Erm...I don't know what's going on with electing a Pirate, but in practice, I don't have any complaints against him as an administrator. He's been taking feedback, and is actually working with the Senate. He's also willing to just hand over Hadrix to the Mandalorians if she agrees to it. I think that would be a political disaster though. There should be nothing less than a neutral tribunal for her.

Ticon. She's a traitor then. I would love nothing more than to see her rot in a cell. I don't know if she's trolling, but if I could lure her out, would you like to help in capturing her? If you want a real criminal, then I'll get you one. I don't think it would take too much effort to at least have Lasedri and her cronies publically denounced if that hasn't happened yet.

Everything does come to an end, but that time for GR isn't now. We have some problems to work through, but the situation isn't hopeless like some people think (or hope).

 

[Mara D'Lessio Merrill]

[member="Suravi Teigra"] [member="Aela Talith"]

You guys get that the whole 'the Mandos are in the right' thing is entirely IC, right? Like, I play Ember Rekali. IC, he'll burn the Republic for Roche and everything that came before it, and is comfortable being on the same side as Vulkan and Larraq. OOC, under an objective lens, of course the Mandos aren't in the right. Nobody ELSE is, but what you've got right here is the writer of the highest-ranking Mando PC there is, and yeah. 'The Mandos are in the right and the Republic is the Great Satan' is pretty much wholly IC. No need to rage on Skype for weeks.over it. Handle it IC like the rest of us are doing.

 

[Eugen Aker]

[member="Mara D'Lessio Merrill"] Okay, just to be clear, I'm approaching this whole discussion in-character. OOCily, I don't have any problems with anyone. I don't even know anyone outside the forum chat. I can only speak for myself though.

 

[Abigail Selonna]

Ladies and gentlemen, we did a good job at starting this conversation off without adding undue animosity or tension. Let's try to keep it that way.

As far as GA's apparent support of the Republic at Roche; I'll be honest, it didn't make a whole lot of sense in context of the timeline there. The invasion happened perhaps a day after Lasedri started attacking corporate assets, with little to no warning from the Mandalorians that it would happen. Could a pilot take action and fly off with their starfighter? Sure. But to form a task force out of a number of capital ships, that takes time and planning and I don't necessarily know if there would have been enough of the former to justify taking such an action as arriving at Roche in time to be of assistance.

But admittedly, I'm a bit of a nitpicker there and pretty squarely in the minority. People are certainly free to act in whichever manner they believe best for their character. Gods know that the timeline on SWRP is confusing as hell by now.

Only other thing; the problem with all those civilian deaths, aside from the fact that they were unnecessary and one hundred percent preventable, is that they reinforce this narrative about the Republic. Almost every invasion I can think of, the Republic's forces make a huge debacle and kill huge swaths of the civilian population in the name of finding victory. That sets a pretty poor public image, and if there wasn't any hesitation to support the Republic before, there is now. No faction wants to be reus per congressus, so any time an act like this happens there is a period of cool relations (and not the good kind) where it takes more effort to secure aid.

And I do feel this should be stressed: a lot of these feelings are ICly. Yes there is some OOC animosity between some folks, but on the whole things are fine OOCly.

Not to nitpic the nitpic, but I OOCly offered my services in defending the Republic. ICly, Abigail got stuck with commerce protection and was there when it started completely by accident.

She didn't hear about it, then haul off with ships, she was there to ensure GA merchants crossed the big void and back without being taken by pirates, then got stuck in an invasion.

 

[Mara D'Lessio Merrill]

[member="Suravi Teigra"]

Good stuff.

IC, assuming she had access to the facts, Mara would agree that the worst Hadrix is guilty of is reckless endangerment. She'd probably conclude that because Hadrix wears Mando armor and opposes the Mandos, she's a convenient target. The Republic Verpine leader who followed Hadrix's lead is the only one who deliberately targeted civilians, but the Mandos have to preserve the narrative that their long-standing friendship with the Verpine is perfect. Ergo, their focus is on Hadrix. Forcing the Republic to have its Supreme Commander put on trial is also a lot more satisfying of a revenge than stringing up some local flunky. That's what Mara would conclude, anyway. She would see the whole issue as a few deeply hurt people lashing out and going way too far.

 

[Elaine Thul]

[member="Suravi Teigra"] as for Alex just arrest her and if she resist then let her go into exile, end the drama.

 

[Vilaz Munin]

Let us not forget of this recording that is trending among the stars.

(And is also another factor of profit for Vilaz, and this is all that I will say about this matter.)

 

[Harmon Taldan]

[member="Vilaz Munin"]

Do you mean the "Republic Ranger" who got onto Roche in a Mandalorian dropship?

Who started off as a Mandalorian, joined the Republic mid battle, then a few days later joined the SSC?

Republic won't have to work very hard to turn that one around on you guys, just saying.

 

[Ayden Cater]

[member="Abigail Selonna"]

Oh, well see. There ya go. I am ed-ju-ma-cated on the circumstances now.

*bleats in approval and returns to grass noms*

 

[Abigail Selonna]

[member="Ayden Cater"]

Really just wanted to use it to get my feet wet with fleeting.

 

[sabrina]

[member="Vilaz Munin"] yeah best leave cloud burner out of this.

 

[Vilaz Munin]

[member="Harmon Taldan"]

Yes, that one, but it still affects the Republic in a way cause he did used a civilian as a human shield to protect himself from possible attacks.

 

[Elaine Thul]

[member="Vilaz Munin"] cloud burner is not being added to anything, he was an idiot to all sides. Hope he learns to play, I shall be ignoring all his actions, as far as any factions go. As he been removed from the SSC, and his latest bio got denied.

 

[Aela Talith]

[member="Mara D'Lessio Merrill"]

Oh, no perhaps you misunderstood. I know it's OOC, i've talked with several mando's about it. Just the IC standpoint bugs the shit out of me because I feel like the Republic isn't properly arguing it back <_<

 

[Mara D'Lessio Merrill]

[member="Aela Talith"]
Ohhhhh, that makes much more sense lol. Yeah, agreed. It's a fun bit of spin to play with, but it's been a bit too easy to be satisfying.

 

[Harmon Taldan]

[member="Vilaz Munin"]

Likewise, it could be really bad for the Mandos. He used a civilian as a body shield, and he had to have learned his combat from the Mando's as he had just switched sides.

Seriously, just having fun with this line of back and forth. I don't forsee any of my characters recognizing him as Republic ever.

 

[Evangeline Ovmar]

[member="Harmon Taldan"]
That's the difference between combat training and morale judgement. They're often separate, but sometimes you see morality give way in radicalized situations. I'd argue that's less a case of Mando training and more a case of poor morale choices. But that's just me.

~ Popo