Going minor?

[Jessica Med-Beq]

That might be a preposterous notion but perhaps the long-term survival of the faction post-Kashyyyk may lie on us going minor after the invasion ends and regrouping somewhere else in the galaxy.

It's hard to tell but I do not think the Mandos will be satisfied with only Kashyyyk... if by some miracle they bungle their storyline, and we win, this whole discussion becomes moot.

This poll is non-binding however.

 

[Elaine Thul]

[member="Charzon Loulan"] yes, and rebel inside OS territory with a new faction and take back to core. Under a new banner, and hopefully rebuild, as we are truly out gunned in this invasion so far. Under a new banner, we might be able say look that was old republic, that you fought we are the new republic. That's my two cents, though it none binding. Also clear out all of all non active faction members so we know where we stand, with numbers next time war comes.

 

[Popo]

I'd be careful with this whole concept. Last time I saw this sort of thing happen, it was the Hutt Cartel trying to avoid a fight with the... I forget what they called themselves at the time. They were the Confederacy, then the Techno Union, then something else. Those folks.

Anyways, drove members away and killed the faction, even though members ousted the FO at the time (who later became y'all's old FO ) and the Cartel eventually went minor and died out.

If y'all are gonna ever officially vote to go minor, may wanna have a plan in place to explain the IC reasons that most folks agree on, else I sense they'll be etching in a headstone for the Republic which, for all I know, might be the goal here. No clue for sure. I just work here.

Oh, that reminds me.

[member="Suravi Teigra"]

You're out of peanuts! How can this be a peanut gallery if there are no peanuts?

 

[Kenrath]

[member="Charzon Loulan"] [member="Popo"]

The last time I am aware of this idea coming up in GR was when Popo stepped down as FO and Kiskla Grayson took over.

I will not go into specifics but I will say this. It very nearly destroyed GR as a Chaos Faction from within.

While I respect you have good intentions and probably a great story idea behind suggesting it. This is one of those things that should never be brought up ever. Old wounds and all.

Again I respect what I think you are trying to accomplish but old wounds and all.

 

[Gael bar Ammon]

The GR as it stands now has too many enemies and too few friends. I think going minor and restructuring before going major again would be best. The Galactic Republic hardly has a favorable reputation with many on Chaos, but the New Republic...no one's even heard of it yet

 

[Popo]

[member="Myles Savar"]
I, personally, don't care what the Republic does lol Major, minor, don't matter to me.

I'm just pointing out that if there's going to be a decision to go minor, the powers that be should probably make sure there's an interesting story arc to support it and keep everyone's interests.

 

[Rexus Drath]

I'm not much active in the GR anymore since the new leadership change. So I won't be voting but I will be giving my advice. Do not go minor, if you do that's it, nail in the coffin. People will join the GA and continue to fight the Sith and whatever terrors that be. If you go minor then you will effectively lose everything and everyone will pillage, raid, and clean house on your stuff. Now let me just say this.

A major faction has never been invaded off the map within the history of Chaos. You can dominion faster than the Mandalorians can invade, and I've seen the GR dominion quickly. So grow a spine, fight the mandos, and win or lose they will get tired of invading as well. Don't be dicks and try to drama or DM your way to victory, just fight, and people will respect that and respect your faction for it. Handle your business

 

[Kenrath]

[member="Myles Savar"]
I, personally, don't care what the Republic does lol Major, minor, don't matter to me.

I'm just pointing out that if there's going to be a decision to go minor, the powers that be should probably make sure there's an interesting story arc to support it and keep everyone's interests.

Fair enough and if I had to be completely honest I don't care either. I only tagged you because you were the outgoing FO the last time the idea came up.

I just know how many people felt so strongly betrayed by the idea back then and would hate to see that again considering how bad it was last time. Of course it could of just been more about how it went down and less about the idea itself.

 

[Klesta]

Much of what gave the GR a bad rap here is due to characters who have left since. I began playing here after the fact.

[member="Rexus Drath"] The Mandos will probably not stop until we either go minor on our own accord, exhaust their resources (OOC or IC) or they invade us off the map, add cloudbreaks to that. I believe they are not a faction that will tire out nearly as easily as others had. Their faction ownership seem driven enough to do so, and they have massive OOC reserves (and probably IC as well) to call upon.

Plus we need at least five or six active writers to actually dominion our way out of this mess.

 

[Popo]

 

[Klesta]

[member="Popo"] You say the Hutt Cartel went minor in an attempt to avoid the Techno Union? Are there some similarities between our current predicament and theirs? Are there some differences?

Any IC story arc that will lead us to go minor would probably start with Kashyyyk, hence why any binding vote would be best kept for after the invasion's outcome is known.

 

[Popo]

[member="Klesta"]
Yes, actually. The were both borne of panic and a knee jerk reaction to avoid dealing with the things major faction are required to deal with.

As much as I dislike the map game, it's put up or shut up with major factions and warfare.

That said, at least y'all are doing an interest check. Mantic/Sempra just made am announcement and expected everyone to back him.

 

[Klesta]

[member="Popo"] The Mandos have virtually stopped dominioning (Clans and Crusaders) when the invasion of Kashyyyk has been announced. By now they concentrate all their player resources into this invasion, and if you hear their internal comments, they truly are intent on invading us over and over until we are recalled or invaded off the map. We will be dead map-wise one way or another if we do not at least make attempts to recruit new writers. We lack the writer base to actually sustain an active role in the map game much longer, knowing that we must avoid T3 doms like the plague. Will a recall placate them? If so, for how long? We have too many enemies and very few, if any, allies.

They say that us double-crossing them at Roche (even though that was before I started playing, even with Ugohr) is enough to cause them to want to sustain a string of invasions that will take them several OOC years to finish, assuming they can invade once a month and that we do not forfeit any of these invasions. (If we forfeit one or more invasions afterward they will launch invasions that much faster)

They seem to count on a string of repeated invasions causing Republican players to jump ship over time and cause us to forfeit future invasions, especially towards the very end, to achieve that objective of invading us off the map (perhaps even at the cost of neglecting other enemies). They appear to have exhausted their mercy cards: they say that if we are left alone we will double-cross them again and only our destruction, map-wise, will placate them because even with just one planet we're still a threat to them.

 

[Ayumi Pallopides]

Ehhh it isn't really worth it either way, mando's want to win and they don't want a real fight and explaining with reason and logic is impossible given a large number of people who "wronged them" are with them or helping them. Frak even most of teir reasoning is a double standard as they'll justify their own members doing horrible things and then act like victims if anyone else has. Doesn't matter and is a main reason why I don't want to participate on either side. My republic members don't want to be involved with BS and my mando's aren't cowards who go after the weaker opponent and call it honor. They'd rather fight someone meaningful and strong who presents a challenge.

Though if we do go minor we could do a purge of the member base and get a lot of the inactive members as well as mando's out. So that would be a benefit.

 

[Popo]

[member="Klesta"]
You don't know mandos well, huh?.

They're at their most active when there's a fight going on. Invasion? The tend to come out of the woodwork. Dominion? Ehh... Don't wanna. We're inherently lazy unless there's something fun going on.

Also, as far as I'm aware, the Pubs aren't our only target. You just happened to be who we invaded first.

So stop being so negative, stop worrying about he OOC, and go write. Have fun. It's digital words on a computer screen. It's a hobby. Go enjoy the hobby and write. If you lose, so what? Try again later. Endless possibilities, man, why get caught up on, like, two?

[member="Ayumi Pallopides"]
This. This right here. This is why there are people who want the Republic gone. This is why factions like the GA and SSC exist. This toxicity, generalized statements of questionable veracity, and the encouragement of purging people you don't like... And you wonder?

I'm gonna tell you the same thing I told two other folks when the One Sith invaded Coruscant and they whined the same whine you are. Go out there and do something or find something else to do. The defeatist, finger pointing attitude will only cause harm to the faction, more harm than 8+ factions invading you guys at the same time.

Stop the negativity, stop the toxicity, and put a plug on the drama. Pick up a lightsaber, pick up a blaster, grab a tank, do something, go post, go defend your faction. To use a quote from a WWII TV series:

You wanna live? Get off the beach.

 

[sabrina]

[member="Popo"] I prefer apocalypse now qoutes

 

[Zonia Kalranoos]

logic is impossible given a large number of people who "wronged them" are with them or helping them. Frak even most of teir reasoning is a double standard as they'll justify their own members doing horrible things and then act like victims if anyone else has. Doesn't matter and is a main reason why I don't want to participate on either side. My republic members don't want to be involved with BS and my mando's aren't cowards who go after the weaker opponent and call it honor. They'd rather fight someone meaningful and strong who presents a challenge.

Last time I checked, Mandos are a neutral faction. Yet Hadrix, of the GR, vented out civilians from an airlock into space because she thought it would be a nice distraction.

GR can be only as strong as its members. So do submissions, write and make amazing characters. This constant whining harms the faction. FFS, just listen to Popo.

 

[Thoja Arlos]

Maybe it is best if we reconstruct and regroup, we can't do any good if there's nothing of us left. Either that or we somehow ally with the Mandos, but that's a longshot at best

 

[Klesta]

Going minor will allow us to rebuild and regroup, away from Mando prying eyes, even if it meant resurfacing as a new faction. They will most likely leave us alone if we go minor.

My Mando is not in this invasion, she has no reason ICly to feel wronged by the Republic (before I started to play her, ICly all she did was administering therapy on Mandalore) but I have Jessica as a Republican ally in this invasion, one of those few Republican allies we have left.

 

[Caius Flavian]

...NO...​