Here Is What I See

[Ra Vizsla]

[member="Vazela"]

You suggesting Isley deserves the crown over Ra, in this thread, is metagaming.

Which isn't illegal, because there aren't any rules against it.

 

[Vazela]

[member="Vazela"]

So...

This whole thread is just you complaining that Tef stole Isley's crown and... You have zero real evidence of metagaming to apply for a report and...

You want what exactly?

Why is it a bad thing that I am complaining about it? Does the thought of a disagreement between two or more parties frighten you?

I have put up evidence to the contrary. What aren't you seeing?

Here is what I want: for Tefka to stop fast tracking his character to a position of power that he has neither a. worked for and b. deserves and c. deliberate between the leadership of the Mandalorian Clans and Mandalorian Empire, in an actual real conversation and discussion, so that a solution can be made for a problem that has been going on for months.

[member="Ra Vizsla"]

Pot kettle black. Sort it out.

 

[Nyxie]

3. Ra Vizsla was created eleven days ago. He has been named Mand'alor by the Council due to Tefka becoming the Mandalorian Clan's Faction Owner. This is evidence that OOC has been translated to IC. And, to me, this is a form of metagame.

As much as I hate to say it, especially with the recent emphasis made on making the title more accessible to members, the two are inextricably tied. It's like saying the Republic FO shouldn't have the right to be the Supreme Chancellor, or a Sith FO shouldn't be the Dark Lord. I don't particularly agree with the haste with which these decisions were made, nor their inconvenient timing, but it's fair to say it wasn't done to steal anyone's thunder.

Edit: As for the "fast-tracking" the position as FO or otherwise... well, that's what people consciously and willingly agreed upon. Is it right? That's left up to personal interpretation. Is it fair? Completely.

 

[Ra Vizsla]

[member="Vazela"]

Your request is being taken under advisement and I'll consult with the Mandalorian Clans leadership in determining whether we'll have a response.

Don't hold your breath.

 

[Jsc]

[member="Vazela"]

Interesting. Okay. But here's some things we need to chew on first:

• 1. You don't have evidence. You have *feelings*.
• 2. Nobody is breaking any rules.
• 3. If you *feel* somebody is breaking a rule, you need to use the report button. Not create a public spectacle.

As it stands right. Tef is fine, Isley can reply IC to these IC concerns, and this thread is flame bait.

Anything else Vaz?

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

he has neither a. worked for and b. deserves

I dare say that's for the membership of the faction in question to decide, don't you?
If the Mandos vote for him - and they have - I'd say that's pretty much all that's needed.

Or would your opinion, as one person, be worth more than the collective faction of which he will be leading? That sounds like a pretty astonishing self-aggrandisement of your importance.

 

[Vazela]

I dare say that's for the membership of the faction in question to decide, don't you?
If the Mandos vote for him - and they have - I'd say that's pretty much all that's needed.

Or would your opinion, as one person, be worth more than the collective faction of which he will be leading? That sounds like a pretty astonishing self-aggrandisement of your importance.

You're missing the context. I'll spell it out for you:

He hasn't done anything In Character to determine himself as Mand'alor. Mand'alor is an In Character position.

 

[Arage Bao]

Perhaps I am a hypocrite for pointing this out. After all, I am no saint. I certainly haven't helped the One Sith. My attempts to takeover the faction with @Vilox Pazela were considered annoying and tedious.

Without trying to come off as hostile... it does make you a hypocrite. Plain and simple.

Here's the distinct difference between Ra and yourself though.

Ra went through the proper channels. He saw there was a nomination thread for FOs, he mentioned he was interested, a few Mandalorian writers who contributed a lot to the faction backed him, he was put up for the seat... and then he won through a fair and honest election.

After which he ICly went before the Alore Council, who all backed him.

You can start arguing about OOC/IC or whatever C you wish, but those are the facts. The writers of the UCM have no obligation to disclose why they decided to back Ra over Verd, they simply did and that was their right.

Now let's look at you.

Instead of doing all of the above, you did two separate things. First making a faction thread on Prakith and trying to 'off the Dark Lord in that capacity, before waltzing your way into the throne room a second time after the Dark Lord died at the hands of Daella.

In both times, you didn't try to cooperate, and didn't try to make it a pleasant experience for anyone, whilst having done only the bare minimum for the faction at the time.

Both of those reasons combined was why you were received the way you were.

So the fact that you are waltzing in here and throwing salt and drama at Ra for doing things in the right way, while failing to be the example you are preaching? That just astonishes me and I expected better.

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

You're missing the context. I'll spell it out for you:

He hasn't done anything In Character to determine himself as Mand'alor. Mand'alor is an In Character position.

And? If he wins the duel the title is his.

It's kind of ironic that you speak of persecution and unfairness yet are so determined to deny another member something which has been voted for.

Tell me, is it the fact that it's a popularity contest that your chosen candidate didn't win the reason, or is it specifically because this particular writer wants the post?

If you're looking for IC decisions motivated by OOC reasons you'd only need to look at almost every transfer of leadership in the history of the board. So why this one?

 

[Vazela]

And? If he wins the duel the title is his.

It's kind of ironic that you speak of persecution and unfairness yet are so determined to deny another member something which has been voted for.

Tell me, is it the fact that it's a popularity contest that your chosen candidate didn't win the reason, or is it specifically because this particular writer wants the post?

If you're looking for IC decisions motivated by OOC reasons you'd only need to look at almost every transfer of leadership in the history of the board. So why this one?

This one happens to affect me and my characters.

| [member="Ronan Vizsla"] |

I went for it In Character. It was spontaneous roleplay. Where is the problem?

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

[member="Vazela"]
Yes, where is the problem? You were one who didn't like the vote's outcome, but what happens if your election in your country doesn't go as planned? Do you picket the opposition saying it's most unfair that Ms May became leader of the party even though her colleagues and country voted for it?

[member="Ronan Vizsla"] laid it all out. Ra did everything properly, IC and OOC, was approved at all levels by a majority.

That's all that's needed. So yes, where is the problem?

 

[Jsc]

I'm out guys. I'm out. I can't take it no moar. I can't take it guys. It's too much.

[member="Vazela"] , you do your thing man. Enjoy the game.

 

[Vazela]

[member="Valiens Nantaris"]

How are you not seeing the difference?

I do not have a problem with Ra being the Faction Owner.

I have a problem with him being Manda'lor because he is the Faction Owner.

Because he only begun roleplaying the character 11 days ago.

Because it has undermined another writer who has been pursuing the position for months.

That he has only gained the In Character position because out of an Out of Character one.

That Out of Character, in this context, shouldn't affect what is happening In Character.

| [member="Jay Scott Clark"] |

I'm pretty tired right now. But if I feel like it, after I've woke back up, I can make a more concrete argument.

 

[Nyxie]

Tfw you realize all this is over a title.

...A title.

Title.

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

[member="Vazela"]
Said writer having founded a rival faction because he could not claim the title.

You know, if said other writer was as popular the title would be his.

That smell...is it sour grapes perchance? Your chosen candidate didn't win so now you invent spurious justifications for this.

Come now, you're better than this. You don't want Ra in the role, I get that, just say it out and out.

And why does the age of a profile matter? A free and unbiased vote went ahead, the character was accepted in character. What more should we expect? Should new major factions draft in old profiles until they meet an ageist specification?

Your candidate lost, and now you are creating a song and dance over a title...a title which said other writer can still claim and fight for.

 

[Liliane]

Should new major factions draft in old profiles until they meet an ageist specification?

I shall now lay my claim on the two next factions approved to me major. I also demand an automatic recognition as the IC leader of the fourth next major faction. That is why I will have to bring back my first character who has been around for three year now.

 

[Jsc]

after I've woke back up, I can make a more concrete argument.

Vaz. I love attention and grandstanding as much as the next guy. I do. I love feeling vindicated and victorious. I love roasting people over the fire with their own flawed logic and exposing their goofed posts and bad math too. There is even a part of me right now that wants to grind you into the dust so hard right now, in the veiled hope that you'll see your whole argument is a failure at basic math, and maybe you'll even change your ways because of it.

But really. Meh.

This whole thread is getting boring and you probably just need sleep and a step back from things too. Which, is normal for all of us. I've been there. I know what posting a bad discussion thread looks like. I'm guilty too. It's whateverz.

Get some sleep man. A week from now? Nobody will care anyway. Cheers.

 

[Anija Betna]

[member="Vazela"] I don't know you well, if at all, nor have I seen you active in the Mandalorian Clans.

I will say this once. Any internal goings on in any faction - but specifically the Mandalorian Clans - are NONE of your business unless you are an active writer of that faction. Even then, the decision for a leadership change was a mutual one between myself and [member="Tefka"] - and his character [member="Ra Vizsla"]. The whole issue came about as a result of a thread posted calling for a new FO election.

Being the person that I am, I wasn't about to sweep such a post under the rug. The poster felt it necessary to voice their opinion, and I feel they had every right to do so. I led the Mandalorian Clans (formerly the United Clans of Mandalore) for close to a year. Which is longer than most. In that time, I did everything I could t o keep the faction engaged and active. It worked for a time. But, due to real life concerns that were affecting my own activity - faction activity dropped. It was at this time that Tef stepped in and offered to help.

Contrary to what you might be seeing, this was not a hostile takeover by staff. This was and still is an attempt by the site owner to help revitalize a faction which he himself helped start all those years ago. I don't see it as him stepping on my toes, or those of the faction. He's got an honest interest in helping us grow again. And instead of just swooping in and taking control, he RPed it out in a fashion which was fitting.

So, you can take your righteous indignation and shove it.

 

[Ra Vizsla]

I'd like to take a moment to remind the Mandalorian Clans' members that this thread is a great example of how we don't handle our problems.

 

[Loray Tares]

[member="Vazela"]

You can see all of this...but can you see why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch?