Invasion of Alderaan OOC [Mandos vs GR]

[Kay-Larr]

I agree with [member="Faith Balor-Organa"] and if the invasion remains non-combat as it's supposed to be, then that goal is possible to reach.

 

[Aithne Charr]

You are mandalorians for crying out loud! Launch proper military conquests! Stop hiding behind political schemes!

Can we agree to support this, Politics should be left for the Republic, War is a mando passtime.

 

[Ellie Mors]

[member="Alyesa Organa"]
I'll be on-call as security if you'd like.

 

[Arrbi Betna]

Politics may be a republic past time, but... If it's at the point where the Mandos are getting stuck in diplomacy... And doing it better...

Just sayin'.

 

[Ali Hadrix]

[member=Lisette Kuhn]

*Whispers* If it fighting breaks out...fight me...

 

[Martika Varta]

Can we agree to support this, Politics should be left for the Republic, War is a mando passtime.

"Politics should be left for the Republic..."

"War is a Mando pastime."

Okay, so we're going to fight Mandalorian war with Republic politics.

I think these two have to meet somewhere in the middle for it to make sense. lol

 

[Arrbi Betna]

[member="Geral Varta"]
That's called "hostile negotiations"

 

[Darth Ayra]

[member="Arrbi Betna"]

Quotations from Star Wars, episode II, the Clone Wars, is a violation of site rules and means that you should just go away. That's right. Go. Damn prequel lover.

 

[Arrbi Betna]

[member="Ella Nova"]
Come to Mandalore and make me :|

 

[Nick Sept]

At the risk of being a bit mean, I'm sympathetic to the people here saying they had no opportunity to respond to this before the invasion was announced. It's rather similar to the fact that the new senate had no opportunity to respond to two planets seceding. If only there was a place, some sort of a building, where planets could address there grievances. Maybe we could call it a Congress? Nah, that's crazy. We should call it the Grand High Republic Council of Drunk buffoons.



Now, frankly, my opinion is this. Whatever happens, happens. This isn't a war, it's a negotiation. I'd like to hope that the leaders of Alderaan IC are receptive to accepting Republic rule again, but that's on them. As for the Mandalorians vaunted diplomacy, much like the squabbling currently occurring, it'd be lovely to see some actual collaboration. About as likely as me waking up with bikini models in my bed, but it'd still be nice.


As to the terms, if you think there are no political, non-military methods to remove a blockade, you obviously don't know much about politics. The objective is doable in a non-military fashion, and has been set. We'll see what happens. As to the rest of it, let the people write. Also, I'd request a fair ruling. Any character who is a legit Alderaanian should be able to participate in this thread without choosing a side, in my opinion. Still, we'll see what happens. Now, stop caring so much about the little blobs on the map and learn to love the chaos.



Esoterically yours,
The Senator from Cartao, your last voice of reason--and bagels!

 

[Darth Ayra]

[member="Arrbi Betna"]

 

[Darth Carnifex]

Die for Chazwa
Die for Mandalore
Die for Coruscant
Die for Sullust

Father and Son
Marching in Rhythm
Firing bullets through the skulls of the children

Holy War

 

[Darth Kentarch]

Not to beat the dead horse with a stick here but its the Chazwa Rump State. So the title should Be [Mandos vs CRS]. Remember my geopolitical lectures on discord everyone.

 

[Mantic Dorn]

Ok, so perhaps an admin from the Mando side could verify but from what I gather the invasion terms are not agreed upon and we should restart negotiations? Perhaps thats for the best as well since we are looking at a no-hostile invasion here.

The GR has no interest in forcing Alderaan to stay if there is an IC agreement that Alderaan dont want to be part of the GR anymore.
I think it is [member="Alyesa Organa"] and [member="Faith Balor-Organa"] that has been given the mandate to decide this by the board in general if I am not missunderstanding? I would argue that major faction staff should have a say when it comes to the planetary government decissions in their clouds but I am totaly willing to not pester you with this if we can find a way for this to work without folks feeling ignored on either side.

[member="Draco vereen"] [member="Lady Kay"] [member="Rexus Drath"] @anothermandoFA that has been part of this?
Correct me if I am wrong here though but shall we set new invasion terms that fits a negotiation rather then a battle?

Spoiler

PS - Personally I would prefer a full scale attack and just let the Alderanians decide which side they wanna fight on - and lets be done with it... but you know, I cant say that and maintain my brown robe nice and tidy at the same time.....

 

[The End Narrator]

Ok, so perhaps an admin from the Mando side could verify but from what I gather the invasion terms are not agreed upon and we should restart negotiations? Perhaps thats for the best as well since we are looking at a no-hostile invasion here.

The GR has no interest in forcing Alderaan to stay if there is an IC agreement that Alderaan dont want to be part of the GR anymore.
I think it is [member="Alyesa Organa"] and [member="Faith Balor-Organa"] that has been given the mandate to decide this by the board in general if I am not missunderstanding? I would argue that major faction staff should have a say when it comes to the planetary government decissions in their clouds but I am totaly willing to not pester you with this if we can find a way for this to work without folks feeling ignored on either side.

[member="Draco vereen"] [member="Lady Kay"] [member="Rexus Drath"] @anothermandoFA that has been part of this?
Correct me if I am wrong here though but shall we set new invasion terms that fits a negotiation rather then a battle?

Spoiler

PS - Personally I would prefer a full scale attack and just let the Alderanians decide which side they wanna fight on - and lets be done with it... but you know, I cant say that and maintain my brown robe nice and tidy at the same time.....

I will argue your 2nd point.

You say it's the Major Faction can rule/dictate planetary governments in their influence cloud? Kuat and [member="Lorelei Darke"]. Dathomir and the Witches. I'm sure I can list plenty of other individuals and independent leaderships who have reigned over planets without Major Factions coming in and going "Nope, nope, nope." Considering the long-standing stories that [member="Faith Balor-Organa"] has done and then my jumping in a while after back in 2014 and since then we have maintained this steadily over the years - no one has contested much less bothered with what we have had going, in-fact, people have supported us on many stories and been apart of them.

In addition - your current cease fire with the Mandalorians permitted cessation from the Republic by any planet - at the moment you guys are now double-backing, alienating the core players of the planet and generally doing what I knew would happen.

Outright ignoring what we have done and even have gone as far as made veiled threats to replace us as if we don't exist.

In-Character, Alyesa made a simple declaration to which I have stated time and time again. OOC - Straight up, the Republic is doing the normal tactics of double backing, alienation and attempting to just ignore facts.

Alderaan and the independent government which has existed for years now - has made no decisions on where it's going. That was the purpose of this Invasion. I was told Alyesa was to be convinced regardless of the current talks.

However, it seems that out of fear - the Republic doesn't desire for any type of Invasion at all to happen and has just resigned to either defeat or replace the people in Alderaan and ignore everything else.

Am I correct in this? Cause I'm looking at your OOC thread in the GR Faction and you've pretty much written us off.

Furthermore: Instead of writing, letting other characters develop more and blossoming a potentially beautiful story and discovery of additional options - it's black or white.

 

[Darth Carnifex]

Blut und Krieg​

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Blut für den Blutgott​

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Schädel für den Schädelthron​

 

[Mantic Dorn]

[member="Alyesa Organa"]

Hey, I havent RPd with you and dont mean that your RP does not matter. On the contrary!
But this is an invasion, and invasions are meant to be decided by faction vs faction. And even though I agree that your (and anyonelses) stories should be taken into account it is the entire factions concern when another faction makes an invasion.

Hence the ooc pre-negotiations to decide how things will be resolved. Heck, for all that I know maybe there is enough around for the GR to simply have a hand shake with the mandos. But it has not been discussed, and there are no terms to decide this. Its being complicated since invasions are usually meant to be militaristic.

Maybe the win term is to convince your character ? Maybe something else. But it hasnt been agreed on. We simply need to set terms for this which is handled by FA staff from both factions per board rules.

 

[The End Narrator]

[member="Mantic Dorn"]

What I was saying and what I don't think you understand you said was:

I would argue that major faction staff should have a say when it comes to the planetary government decissions in their clouds.

Essentially, our government doesn't matter. I gave you a few examples of where that is NOT the case and those people and their RP is no effected, nor do the Major Factions meddle in their planetary governments/etc.

 

[Kytarra Hawk]

Can this be taken to PM?

It is like airing out the dirty laundry. Hash it out in PM.

As of now, both faction admins said they had already agreed to terms. Unless that changes with an official new post with the agreement of both Faction admins, there is no need to keep going on in here stirring the pot.

 

[Laira Darkhold]

[member="Alyesa Organa"]

*Pats* You matter to me boo...