Olivia Dem'adas
Chief of Clan Dem'adas
[member="Mard Szaks"]
I'm working on a post now actually.
I'm working on a post now actually.
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Invasion of Wayland OOC Discussion
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Olivia Dem'adas
Chief of Clan Dem'adas
[member="Zambrano the Hutt"]
Also, to be fair, I finally got around to reading your most recent post.
(I have been busy with other things today)
Crossing that much minefield and that much razor wire in class 4 armor... in, what? 2 posts? That's a third of a mile of minefield and a lot of razor wire.
And you've got at least 100 heavy weapons that have been focused on your unit and only your unit since this post.
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/60371-the-magnificent-probably-more-than-seven-primeval-invasion-of-mandalorian-wayland/?p=904923
I know I said sluffing numbers was fine... But that's a lot of stuff you ignored to reach the bunkers with that many troops.
Also, to be fair, I finally got around to reading your most recent post.
(I have been busy with other things today)
Crossing that much minefield and that much razor wire in class 4 armor... in, what? 2 posts? That's a third of a mile of minefield and a lot of razor wire.
And you've got at least 100 heavy weapons that have been focused on your unit and only your unit since this post.
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/60371-the-magnificent-probably-more-than-seven-primeval-invasion-of-mandalorian-wayland/?p=904923
I know I said sluffing numbers was fine... But that's a lot of stuff you ignored to reach the bunkers with that many troops.
Eternal Father
._.Olivia Dem'adas said:
Olivia Dem'adas
Chief of Clan Dem'adas
Kark. Forgot about those 6 mass-driver shots. Will edit into post in a second.
Edit:
Ok. Made the edit. A couple of glancing shots and one of the tanks in Olivia's platoon has a broken machine gun.
Sorry I couldn't do more. I had most of your shots find their mark... I just... couldn't see the 6 vehicles doing much damage more than that.
Edit:
Ok. Made the edit. A couple of glancing shots and one of the tanks in Olivia's platoon has a broken machine gun.
Sorry I couldn't do more. I had most of your shots find their mark... I just... couldn't see the 6 vehicles doing much damage more than that.
Zambrano the Starweird
The Black Prophet of Balagoth
[member="Olivia Dem'adas"] 400 meter dash, from my research, only takes about a minute for a fit athlete, and these are cybernetically and psychologically motivated (through fear) slaves in armor that has a focus on mobility, without any weight to carry other than themselves and a vibroblade. Additionally, I was told that anything that wasn't a direct engagement with other submitted NPC's was mostly background noise (with the exception of the mines). I accepted more losses with the addition of the bunkers fire because I felt it was the courteous thing to do, even though I was told I didn't have to.
Although it is not to your satisfaction, please note that they are being acknowledged. I already told you that my unit isn't going to last much longer anyway. This gets me to where the action is, and until someone from the bunkers tells me otherwise, we're having fun.
If it would make you more comfortable, I can tack on an additional dozen K.I.A.'s.
Although it is not to your satisfaction, please note that they are being acknowledged. I already told you that my unit isn't going to last much longer anyway. This gets me to where the action is, and until someone from the bunkers tells me otherwise, we're having fun.
If it would make you more comfortable, I can tack on an additional dozen K.I.A.'s.
Olivia Dem'adas
Chief of Clan Dem'adas
[member="Zambrano the Hutt"]
I was mainly teasing.
Also, 400 meter dash's don't include running face-first through razor wire.
It's wasn't so much that you made it through without more casualties, it was that you got through an obstacle course in... what? 1 post?
I was mainly teasing.
Also, 400 meter dash's don't include running face-first through razor wire.
It's wasn't so much that you made it through without more casualties, it was that you got through an obstacle course in... what? 1 post?
Zambrano the Starweird
The Black Prophet of Balagoth
[member="Olivia Dem'adas"]
That wasn't clear
400 meter dashes also don't include a man-eating monster chasing you and a computer in your head that filters out the pain in your body telling you to "GO GO GO".
If I were to go through every single razor wire fence each post, it would drag out and you would expect more casualties, and my Unit is doomed to die as it is, lol
That wasn't clear
400 meter dashes also don't include a man-eating monster chasing you and a computer in your head that filters out the pain in your body telling you to "GO GO GO".
If I were to go through every single razor wire fence each post, it would drag out and you would expect more casualties, and my Unit is doomed to die as it is, lol
Olivia Dem'adas
Chief of Clan Dem'adas
[member="Zambrano the Hutt"]
Well... yeah. That's why there are roads.
The roads are not mined... nor are there anti-tank traps and razor-wire on the roads.
When I made the base, I literally though "Nobody will try to run through this. It's suicide! They'd be dead before they made it half-way!"
Which... It's not that I'm upset that you ran through it. It just makes me go "awww... my death-trap isn't as much of a death-trap as I wanted it to be."
Well... yeah. That's why there are roads.
The roads are not mined... nor are there anti-tank traps and razor-wire on the roads.
When I made the base, I literally though "Nobody will try to run through this. It's suicide! They'd be dead before they made it half-way!"
Which... It's not that I'm upset that you ran through it. It just makes me go "awww... my death-trap isn't as much of a death-trap as I wanted it to be."
Zambrano the Starweird
The Black Prophet of Balagoth
[member="Olivia Dem'adas"] lol, no don't get me wrong, it is CERTAINLY a death trap.... it just so happens that I'm the only one crazy enough to run through it anyway.
I figured it was the quickest route to the Fort, rather than let you hammer away at us on the roads. Straight lines are shorter than curved ones
Though in all honest, I don't expect my runners to last past the bunkers, though I plan on blowing them up as much as possible to allow the other units an easier means to get there.
I figured it was the quickest route to the Fort, rather than let you hammer away at us on the roads. Straight lines are shorter than curved ones
Though in all honest, I don't expect my runners to last past the bunkers, though I plan on blowing them up as much as possible to allow the other units an easier means to get there.
Azrael
RETIRED
[member="Zambrano the Hutt"]
I have a point of contention on the matter of these runners.
Disclaimer: I have not read all the posts - so please inform me if I am mistaken in any of my figures or thoughts.
You started off with 150 people. From what I gather they are slaves, strapped with bombs, that are running full throttle in straight lines through the minefield. 81 Survivors of 150 people is 54% of the total number.
Running straight, the NPCs would encounter a few things in the 460 meters between the treeline and the bunkers.
[*]These defenses are layered in concentric circles
[*]Range of various mines, then range of Dragon's teeth / Razor wire filler , rinse, repeat.
150 sprinting straight suicide bomb slaves trying to cross that terrain -- doesn't seem to me like it would of only taken out 46% of them.
Thoughts?
I have a point of contention on the matter of these runners.
Disclaimer: I have not read all the posts - so please inform me if I am mistaken in any of my figures or thoughts.
You started off with 150 people. From what I gather they are slaves, strapped with bombs, that are running full throttle in straight lines through the minefield. 81 Survivors of 150 people is 54% of the total number.
Running straight, the NPCs would encounter a few things in the 460 meters between the treeline and the bunkers.
- Dragon's Teeth barricades (of which you have to climb over if you are not running around)
- Razor wire between the Dragon's teeth barricades (pic for reference)
- Mines (disambiguation)
FBT-N multipurpose - LX-4 Proton
- Proximity
- X-G Antigravity Field Bomb
- 3HX3 Timer
- Gas
- Sonic
- Thermal
[*]These defenses are layered in concentric circles
[*]Range of various mines, then range of Dragon's teeth / Razor wire filler , rinse, repeat.
150 sprinting straight suicide bomb slaves trying to cross that terrain -- doesn't seem to me like it would of only taken out 46% of them.
Thoughts?
Zambrano the Starweird
The Black Prophet of Balagoth
[member="Azrael"] me and the other Mandalorians I'm facing have come to an understanding, as far as I'm aware. The slaves are cybernetically unperturbed by these obstacles, and are flying full throttle through them despite damage.
Azrael
RETIRED
[member="Zambrano the Hutt"]
So that I am in understanding, they are cybernetically unable to be anxious, unsettled, or upset. And despite these mines having the ability to detonate around them, on timers, when triggered, and releasing gasses, fire, and sonic waves - they can keep running after having legs sliced open and tendons cut in razor wire if they already were not stuck?
I am only asking this because it seems that level 4 armor, and ignoring anxiety doesn't give them enough fortitude to cross hundreds of meters of death traps.
This information was passed on to me, to word it in polite and fair ways - as the other Mandalorian writer realized they were getting a bit too hot headed.
I should probably add that what they are looking for is that the number of survivors not be a majority of the initial force.
So that I am in understanding, they are cybernetically unable to be anxious, unsettled, or upset. And despite these mines having the ability to detonate around them, on timers, when triggered, and releasing gasses, fire, and sonic waves - they can keep running after having legs sliced open and tendons cut in razor wire if they already were not stuck?
I am only asking this because it seems that level 4 armor, and ignoring anxiety doesn't give them enough fortitude to cross hundreds of meters of death traps.
This information was passed on to me, to word it in polite and fair ways - as the other Mandalorian writer realized they were getting a bit too hot headed.
Olivia Dem'adas
Chief of Clan Dem'adas
[member="Zambrano the Hutt"]
I was teasing you about it and being friendly, but it should really be something along the lines of 1 casualty per meter of minefield. And even then... it should take at least a post to cross just one razor-wire barricade and 1 of the 100 meter blocks of minefield.
Also, we're currently trying to work up a means of letting you guys "respawn" units of infantry to make Objective A a little more fair for you guys.
I don't want to seem like a jerk. I was the one that proposed letting you guys respawn. It's just... that minefield should be taking a lot longer and a lot more casualties to get through.
I was teasing you about it and being friendly, but it should really be something along the lines of 1 casualty per meter of minefield. And even then... it should take at least a post to cross just one razor-wire barricade and 1 of the 100 meter blocks of minefield.
Also, we're currently trying to work up a means of letting you guys "respawn" units of infantry to make Objective A a little more fair for you guys.
I don't want to seem like a jerk. I was the one that proposed letting you guys respawn. It's just... that minefield should be taking a lot longer and a lot more casualties to get through.
Laira Darkhold
Well-Known Member
[member="Zambrano the Hutt"] [member="Azrael"] [member="Olivia Dem'adas"]
Not to be that guy... but
Not to be that guy... but
I think this is handled.Zambrano the Hutt said:
Zambrano the Starweird
The Black Prophet of Balagoth
[member="Olivia Dem'adas"] It makes it really difficult to adjust my post and understanding what you want from me when you keep "teasing". It was under my understanding from our last conversation you were fine with what I had, so coming back with Azreal (or did you come of your own accord?), it comes off as rather frustrating.
In the future, do not tease, I will take you 100% literally.
Also, I already explained to you why I wasn't having a post stop after every razor wire fence. I just don't see it as much of an interesting post.
[member="Azrael"], not entirely, they are cybernetically motivated to run regardless of their exhaustion or damage, that does not mean however that they can physically run when damaged, even if motivated to do so. There is also the motivation of a fear of their Warlord, that they have been conditioned to fear exclusively, so no, they don't care about the other mines blowing up around them or the death of everything around them.
However, I can adjust my post to a survivor count below 50%, especially if what Olivia says about reinforcements is true.
There is also Draco's point.
In the future, do not tease, I will take you 100% literally.
Also, I already explained to you why I wasn't having a post stop after every razor wire fence. I just don't see it as much of an interesting post.
[member="Azrael"], not entirely, they are cybernetically motivated to run regardless of their exhaustion or damage, that does not mean however that they can physically run when damaged, even if motivated to do so. There is also the motivation of a fear of their Warlord, that they have been conditioned to fear exclusively, so no, they don't care about the other mines blowing up around them or the death of everything around them.
However, I can adjust my post to a survivor count below 50%, especially if what Olivia says about reinforcements is true.
There is also Draco's point.
Azrael
RETIRED
I'm fine with whatever you guys decide - just trying to put the information given into a palatable state.
Laira Darkhold
Well-Known Member
Anybody in the Jungle wanna Rumble?
I wanna take someone to Suplex City but I need a dance partner.
Olivia Dem'adas
Chief of Clan Dem'adas
[member="Zambrano the Hutt"]
Honestly, I made the suggestion for re-spawning NPC units before I saw your post and with the assumption that you guys would take realistic casualties from what you're facing.
100 Machine-guns pointed at 100 people in the open? That unit should be wiped out or should be hugging dirt.
Hell. One or two machine guns pointed at 100 people in the dirt should wipe them out or make them hug dirt.
Running through 100 meters of minefield? That should be 1 casualty for every square meter.
Running 100 meters, then stopping to deal with a razor-wire barricade? That should be one post.
I'm limiting myself to 1-2 minute long periods of action in each post. As has... pretty much every defender since the first set of "establishing" posts.
And what we're seeing in return is people running a few hundred meters, climbing trees, aiming, shooting, climbing down trees again...
And running through 4-5 posts forth of barricades in 1 post with absolutely minimal casualties.
Some people are keeping it a little shorter and a little more focused, and we love that.
We understand that, right now, the odds are stacked against you pretty bad. Even with the extra writers you have on Objective A, the Primeval didn't take the 2 weeks leading up to the invasion to prepare for this. And you're suffering for it now. We feel bad about that and want to help even the odds for you.
But that unit of suicide-bombers should have been dead two posts ago.
Honestly, I made the suggestion for re-spawning NPC units before I saw your post and with the assumption that you guys would take realistic casualties from what you're facing.
100 Machine-guns pointed at 100 people in the open? That unit should be wiped out or should be hugging dirt.
Hell. One or two machine guns pointed at 100 people in the dirt should wipe them out or make them hug dirt.
Running through 100 meters of minefield? That should be 1 casualty for every square meter.
Running 100 meters, then stopping to deal with a razor-wire barricade? That should be one post.
I'm limiting myself to 1-2 minute long periods of action in each post. As has... pretty much every defender since the first set of "establishing" posts.
And what we're seeing in return is people running a few hundred meters, climbing trees, aiming, shooting, climbing down trees again...
And running through 4-5 posts forth of barricades in 1 post with absolutely minimal casualties.
Some people are keeping it a little shorter and a little more focused, and we love that.
We understand that, right now, the odds are stacked against you pretty bad. Even with the extra writers you have on Objective A, the Primeval didn't take the 2 weeks leading up to the invasion to prepare for this. And you're suffering for it now. We feel bad about that and want to help even the odds for you.
But that unit of suicide-bombers should have been dead two posts ago.
Zambrano the Starweird
The Black Prophet of Balagoth
My new ratio, under the understanding I may replenish my unit should I choose so, now stands at 57 Survivors - 102 K.I.A.
Now, to explain why I've been doing what I've been doing is rather simple: Star Wars is a Space Opera, and while writing with realism is commendable, it doesn't make for a good story when the bad guy blows up and dies in the middle of a minefield before he even reaches and threatens the good guys.
Now, to explain why I've been doing what I've been doing is rather simple: Star Wars is a Space Opera, and while writing with realism is commendable, it doesn't make for a good story when the bad guy blows up and dies in the middle of a minefield before he even reaches and threatens the good guys.
Zambrano the Starweird
The Black Prophet of Balagoth
And to clarify, I wasn't running 400 meters in one post. It was over the course of two posts. When I first entered the minefield, I had 48 die, when I realized the fortifications you had, I asked if I could reduce it. So it was reduced to 36 instead. You were fine with this, so I used that as a basis. When the enemy started shooting, I took 36 and stacked on another two or three dozen. I'm taking hits, in what from you've told me, was supposed to be acceptable. So turning back on your word, appears to me as poor form on your part.
Just because you think I should stop at every razor fence, doesn't mean I think its that unrealistic to skip over. Yeah, a few people died on a razor fence, the rest got through. So what? That's a nothing post. Instead, what I've created, is antagonism, there is a fight going on between the bunker holders, and the invaders. I didn't ignore your defense, I just took it with a grain of salt to get where I wanted to go, to write what I wanted, under the understanding inevitably I lose after reaching the bunkers.
Is that so much to ask for?
Just because you think I should stop at every razor fence, doesn't mean I think its that unrealistic to skip over. Yeah, a few people died on a razor fence, the rest got through. So what? That's a nothing post. Instead, what I've created, is antagonism, there is a fight going on between the bunker holders, and the invaders. I didn't ignore your defense, I just took it with a grain of salt to get where I wanted to go, to write what I wanted, under the understanding inevitably I lose after reaching the bunkers.
Is that so much to ask for?