Jedi Order Direction

[Kian Karr]

[member="Varus Shatterstar"] - you don't have to worry, it seems the council (IC/OOC) is on the same page here in most things.

 

[Veino Garn]

They shouldn't have a free license to go off fighting for whomever they wish.

*hides license to do exactly that*

 

[Lira Dajenn]

You're literally trying to restrict people from other projects. Why does it matter if people want to be in both factions? Why does it matter if people want to do other things and branch out? The Jedi order is a force for good, for the entire galaxy, not just for the Galactic Republic. The Jedi don't serve the Republic exclusively, never have.

Clearly the people in the Jedi Academy still want to help the Republic, and clearly they're still present and active here.

So why go on a witch hunt? This is as Hal said just a toxic topic that only serves to drive active members who are trying to help away from the faction and turn those only in the Republic against them.

It's not really helping.

 

[Varus Shatterstar]

[member="Aaralyn Rekali"]

After having read this, without thinking of OOC but only IC, What will you guys do with the youngest Initiates? Cause this type of approach should be not only considered oocly about just joining. A 5 year old child, WOULD NOT see the consequences in following or staying.

Won't matter what they choose. After this disastrous choice the Jedi won't even be welcome on Republic planets, so where would they be getting students anyway?

 

[Kyla Foy]

On an abandoned planet? [member="Varus Shatterstar"]

 

[The End Narrator]

[member="Aaralyn Rekali"]

After having read this, without thinking of OOC but only IC, What will you guys do with the youngest Initiates? Cause this type of approach should be not only considered oocly about just joining. A 5 year old child, WOULD NOT see the consequences in following or staying.

We'd have to re-organize the broken system.

As it stands right now, the IC system of Master-Apprentice is sorely broken but there are ways it can be fixed with relative ease.

It's just a matter of getting the creative mind of [member="Corvus Raaf"] to work. One of the things that Corvus was so intent on when she and I first spoke was how she wanted to re-invent the whole system of the Academies and the apprenticeship system...but I don't think she ever got much of a chance to do much execution beyond training threads.

I'm sure a Guardianship program could be initiated - something of that nature.

We have to honestly look at what is not working, and fix it. One step at a time. Something that isn't honestly done.

 

[Kamon's OOC]

If the Order leaves the Republic I'm willing to bet that, as Varus just said, Order Jedi won't be welcome in the Republic. Let those who want to leave do so, but the Order is probably going to stay where it belongs from what I'm seeing: in the Republic.

 

[The End Narrator]

You're literally trying to restrict people from other projects. Why does it matter if people want to be in both factions? Why does it matter if people want to do other things and branch out? The Jedi order is a force for good, for the entire galaxy, not just for the Galactic Republic. The Jedi don't serve the Republic exclusively, never have.

Clearly the people in the Jedi Academy still want to help the Republic, and clearly they're still present and active here.

So why go on a witch hunt? This is as Hal said just a toxic topic that only serves to drive active members who are trying to help away from the faction and turn those only in the Republic against them.

It's not really helping.

I know where your opinions lie, especially with me, so please refrain from attempting to make this about: "You're restricting everyone!" "Witch hunt!" "Toxic and bile!"

Hal's comment was clearly as it was intended to be - and now you're engaging me in a conflicting manner - I'm not arguing with you. It was stated clearly by multiple people, this isn't about the Jedi Academy and what was stated by Kiskla is that the Republic Jedi Order is going -that direction- that isn't what alot of us desire or our characters have been developed.

Again, please refrain from bringing this up about the Jedi Academy or making this into a baiting thread - you got an issue...you know how to PM someone.

 

[Varus Shatterstar]

You're literally trying to restrict people from other projects. Why does it matter if people want to be in both factions? Why does it matter if people want to do other things and branch out? The Jedi order is a force for good, for the entire galaxy, not just for the Galactic Republic. The Jedi don't serve the Republic exclusively, never have.

Clearly the people in the Jedi Academy still want to help the Republic, and clearly they're still present and active here.

So why go on a witch hunt? This is as Hal said just a toxic topic that only serves to drive active members who are trying to help away from the faction and turn those only in the Republic against them.

It's not really helping.

The Jedi were meant to lead the Republic, plain and simple. If we all of a sudden start having Jedi on opposite ends of the line the then what sense does that make?

What if the Ravens contract some Jedi while the Mandos, knowing nothing about that, contract some Jedi, and Jedi who used to be in the same Republic come face to face in a war. What the crap sense does that make at all?

Like I JUST got done saying. If this happens we may as well scatter to the wind because our Grandmaster is cutting ties with the Republic politically as we speak.

Super duper...

 

[Varus Shatterstar]

On an abandoned planet? [member="Varus Shatterstar"]

What kids are you gonna find on an abandoned planet, dude? Planets populated by people are aligned with a faction or independent, and if we cut ties with the Republic there will be ZERO planets from which to obtain students.

 

[The End Narrator]

[member="Varus Shatterstar"]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Nothing has happened - it's still up for discussion.

 

[Seraphina Shel'tah]

Here is my take on this...

1. The Jedi Academy faction should be its own thing. A faction for any Jedi to join to obtain training so that it takes some of the load off of the limited number of trainers each faction has to spread the available knights/masters around. That's entirely great and exciting.

2. The Jedi Order of the Galactic Republic should not, under any circumstances, secede from the Republic to be guardians of whatever the hell they want. The entire ideology behind anything different is in my opinion, hypocritical. To be a Jedi and openly support and defend other factions which have alliances and treaties with other factions who actively oppose the Republic makes no sense. We cannot be guardians of the Republic while simultaneously being free to support any other faction we like. I personally don't like the idea of being forcefully pulled out of the Republic's Jedi order and told I can support the Republic if I wanted, but aren't actually affiliated with them. There are plenty of neutral factions, but that's why I didn't join them. If we are splitting apart because that's what the FA here wants, so be it, but I won't be tagging along. Sera's allegiance is to the Republic, and only the Republic, not the grey area in between. So both from an OOC and IC perspective I don't agree with breaking the Order off with the Republic.

Choose what you will, but I'll be hanging here.

 

[Hal Terrano]

[member="Aaralyn Rekali"]

There is a blatant toxicity here, and a lot of it stems from you.

Nobody's saying anything but it's something that needs to be discussed. There's a horrible attitude here that makes the Republic the least appealing major faction on the board. It's an attitude that snipes and demeans, that throws toy after toy out of the pram. An attitude that...let's say...bullies members into picking your side in an invasion that only has one character per member.

I understand that you want to help this faction but you are going about it all wrong. These threads are attacks thinly veiled as discussions, with unnecessary jabs at other writers that do nothing but stir the pot and create a toxic environment. If it's not intentional, then you really need to take a course in talking to other human beings with a shred of civility.

The moment it's mentioned it's backtracked as a joke, that the waters are being murked with irrelevancy or accusations of baiting but this is a discussion that's frankly long overdue.

I was literally afraid to post before, because I feared what horrible response I might have garnered. Is that not a problem? Being afraid to speak in your own faction because you don't want to get insulted or bullied? Yes, it is quite a problem.

I love writing Hal, and the Republic will always be who he serves but I cannot, will not sacrifice my own personal happiness for the sake of writing a character. So I will take my leave.

 

[Lira Dajenn]

I know where your opinions lie, especially with me, so please refrain from attempting to make this about: "You're restricting everyone!" "Witch hunt!" "Toxic and bile!"

My opinions on you change depending on how you're acting at the time. I have neither a constant like nor dislike of you, that would take far too much effort for something that i take as a hobby.

As for everything thats stated. Hal summed it up pretty well, and since he is my Master i will be taking my leave with him.

[member="Varus Shatterstar"]

To your point. I would assume Jedi would have the good sense not to aid a criminal faction in their endeavors, otherwise i would question things quite seriously.

Never the less, i hope you all find your answers and you work things out

 

[Kamon's OOC]

No offense but it doesn't seem like most are afraid to speak their mind, Hal. A lot of people are doing so without bringing up toxicity. Heck, Aaralyn specifically stated she didn't want any discussion of things that would provoke or are related to toxicity. You and Lira aren't respecting that. For the Jedi, this is a thread to express their response to each other to Kiskla and her announcement. Only you and Lira are making it about attacking people.

 

[Kian Karr]

[member="Lira Dajenn"] - What witch hunt are you talking about? We are simply voicing our disagreements with a decision that was made without any discussion among the membership. Dissent does not equal toxicity. We are not saying you can't be a member of the Jedi Academy (I'm a member of that minor faction!), what we are saying is that the Jedi Order has historically been a member of the Galactic Republic and we are against the idea of severing our affiliation with it.

[member="Hal Terrano"] - I agree with you, sometimes [member="Aaralyn Rekali"] (sorry) has a tendency to be a bit.....well.....mean! But I haven't seen that at all in this thread. This thread is a discussion that should have happened before decisions were put before us. As I've said above, dissent does not equal toxicity. We are simply voicing opinions concerning this as we should be able to do.

 

[Varus Shatterstar]

[member="Aaralyn Rekali"]
There is a blatant toxicity here, and a lot of it stems from you.
Nobody's saying anything but it's something that needs to be discussed. There's a horrible attitude here that makes the Republic the least appealing major faction on the board. It's an attitude that snipes and demeans, that throws toy after toy out of the pram. An attitude that...let's say...bullies members into picking your side in an invasion that only has one character per member.
I understand that you want to help this faction but you are going about it all wrong. These threads are attacks thinly veiled as discussions, with unnecessary jabs at other writers that do nothing but stir the pot and create a toxic environment. If it's not intentional, then you really need to take a course in talking to other human beings with a shred of civility.
The moment it's mentioned it's backtracked as a joke, that the waters are being murked with irrelevancy or accusations of baiting but this is a discussion that's frankly long overdue.
I was literally afraid to post before, because I feared what horrible response I might have garnered. Is that not a problem? Being afraid to speak in your own faction because you don't want to get insulted or bullied? Yes, it is quite a problem.
I love writing Hal, and the Republic will always be who he serves but I cannot, will not sacrifice my own personal happiness for the sake of writing a character. So I will take my leave.

I'd rather share my opinion and be berated and ridiculed than say nothing at all. The whole community could disagree with me as long as I still have the privilege to have and share my opinion. You need to share what you have to say, and yes you will be trolled and raged it, but that's called "the internet", where people grow balls and say what they want behind the safety of their computer screens.

Those level headed and mature, however, will reply to you in kind.

 

[The End Narrator]

[member="Aaralyn Rekali"]

There is a blatant toxicity here, and a lot of it stems from you.

Nobody's saying anything but it's something that needs to be discussed. There's a horrible attitude here that makes the Republic the least appealing major faction on the board. It's an attitude that snipes and demeans, that throws toy after toy out of the pram. An attitude that...let's say...bullies members into picking your side in an invasion that only has one character per member.

I understand that you want to help this faction but you are going about it all wrong. These threads are attacks thinly veiled as discussions, with unnecessary jabs at other writers that do nothing but stir the pot and create a toxic environment. If it's not intentional, then you really need to take a course in talking to other human beings with a shred of civility.

The moment it's mentioned it's backtracked as a joke, that the waters are being murked with irrelevancy or accusations of baiting but this is a discussion that's frankly long overdue.

I was literally afraid to post before, because I feared what horrible response I might have garnered. Is that not a problem? Being afraid to speak in your own faction because you don't want to get insulted or bullied? Yes, it is quite a problem.

I love writing Hal, and the Republic will always be who he serves but I cannot, will not sacrifice my own personal happiness for the sake of writing a character. So I will take my leave.

As much as I respect your opinion, I feel it's a veiled attempt to insult and get me upset - therefore I'm going to respectfully disregard it. I'm sorry you are making the CHOICE to leave the Republic but don't put that blame upon me.

I've always been afraid to speak my mind because of people getting upset with me or if I say the wrong thing - god forbid someone gets their panties in a twist and claims it's cause I'm raging. You know what though? If you can't handle the truth being spoken as it is, or don't like it. I'm sorry. I won't sugar coat anything for you in an attempt to gain your favor as no one has done for me.

I've gone about nothing the wrong way but said what needs to be said because why are we discussing issues in PM with the direction of the Jedi Order? Why was this done so suddenly and the entire Jedi Order playerbase except for a select few knew of this.

If I have an issue - I'll say it directly to you, I don't need to open a discussion about it or chat it up in Skype.

So, regarding you - I don't know you therefore don't have an opinion.

In regards to you [member="Lira Dajenn"] - I find that really hard to believe considering the things I've seen come from your own fingertips or those who you befriend. So I apologize for my disbelief in your like or dislike depending on my behavior.

Second chances always come with a price - They aren't free.


The saddest part of all of this - I knew select individuals would make this situation to be what it has come about, or turn the conversation (or even attempt to.) in such a manner where it made it out to be as if I was rattling sabers or spitting out bile and toxic words to cause drama. I made this well known to several individuals with names attached - put that on everything. The worst part is, you two just proved me more so right about it when I ACTUALLY wish I was wrong.

It's karking sad.

That being said - this needs to get back on topic.

Thanks.

 

[Varus Shatterstar]

My opinions on you change depending on how you're acting at the time. I have neither a constant like nor dislike of you, that would take far too much effort for something that i take as a hobby.

As for everything thats stated. Hal summed it up pretty well, and since he is my Master i will be taking my leave with him.

[member="Varus Shatterstar"]

To your point. I would assume Jedi would have the good sense not to aid a criminal faction in their endeavors, otherwise i would question things quite seriously.

Never the less, i hope you all find your answers and you work things out

Younger Jedi need guidance. That's the point of a faction. Who's to say a younger Jedi wouldn't aid practically any other faction aside from a Sith one, knowing that Sith are sworn enemies?

We're basically burning the guidelines of "How to be a Jedi" and replacing it with a bid sheet for the Grand Jedi Auction.

 

[Seraphina Shel'tah]

Why was this done so suddenly and the entire Jedi Order playerbase except for a select few knew of this.

This is a real point of contention...Why was this just decided and forced upon the entire Order? There was no discussion amongst the majority, no vote, no option to voice one's opinion. Just a simple "We're leaving the Republic. Move your threads before March."

That creates a lot of problems. And honestly it feels really disrespectful to do without giving anyone except for whomever was directly involved with this a chance to speak up.